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shell needle
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I know that German, Silesian and Czech all have the word 'saperlot' in one way, shape or form, this one coming from French 'sapperlotte'

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This could very well be a rare, perhaps dialectal word, I wouldn't expect it would be easily found in any random thesaurus

keen quartz
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Wiktionary relates 'lagramynt' word to 'sakramynt', but gives no etymology for this one

shell needle
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'sakramynt' is used all around, should be about the same as French 'sacrement'

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but this lag- alternation is what I'm trying to pinpoint and I'm so far failing to do so 😭

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I did find this exact word in a Romansch-German dictionary

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Which makes me think that it's either French or German of origin

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I also found this quotation online in French:

Mais depuis plusieurs siècles ce lacrement, dans l'Église latine, est administré par un seul prêtre.

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But I'm not sure if this is a typo or something...

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Though it's not the only quote using the word

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For example

keen quartz
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French words that are close in writing include « sacrement » (“sacrament”), but it only has a religious meaning
« sacrément » (notice the accent) has not the same etymology, and means “bloody”, “incredibly”
« ladre » has also an unrelated origin, and means “miser” or “leper”

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All these words have completely unrelated origins though

shell needle
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Does 'sacrément' have any alterations perhaps?

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Could be minced oaths, like someone trying to avoid being vulgar perhaps, the same way that 'God' becomes 'gosh' euphemistically

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Czech has 'lagrament', 'sakrament', 'kakrament', etc.

keen quartz
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Could be, but we need evidence

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There are minced oaths in French too, like « sacrebleu », which comes from « par le sacre de Dieu »

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But I find no traces of « lacrement » in dictionaries 🤔

shell needle
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If I have another word I'm looking for, completely unrelated to this one, would I have to create a separate thread?

shell needle
keen quartz
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The « lacrement » you found were likely mistypes of « ſacrement », with the old form of « s »

Long s

The long s, ⟨ſ⟩, also known as the medial s or initial s, is an archaic form of the lowercase letter ⟨s⟩, found mostly in works from the late 8th to early 19th centuries. It replaced one or both of the letters s in a double-s sequence (e.g., "ſinfulneſs" for "sinfulness" and "poſſeſs" or "poſseſs" for "possess", but never "poſſeſſ"). The modern ...

shell needle
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That's what I thought as well, I was even starting to think of the possibility that somebody misread the word as written with the long s and, boom, S became an L

keen quartz
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That’s sometimes how words are born!

shell needle
keen quartz
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Ask it directly there, since the current thread has only the two of us

plucky pewter
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I swear sacrement makes me think of some old word for a bad kid

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Is it just chenapan ?

shell needle
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sakramynt - bad kid