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hidden sail
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jai aidee pour le mot "que" et son utilisation

nova heath
hidden sail
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idk its still a lil confusing when i watch the video but ill check these out tres bien merci!!!

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*some

nova heath
hidden sail
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if its supposed to replace manteau

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😭

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irs like saying the coat coat i bought is white

nova heath
hidden sail
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i mean below it saws that que replaces le manteau

hidden sail
nova heath
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It's a poor description, since it cannot replace what still shows up.

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It references the coat.

hidden sail
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ohh oki ty

nova heath
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The coat that I bought. What is 'that'? Answer: the coat.

hidden sail
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so its always that?

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que = that

nova heath
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Pretty much.

hidden sail
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do u lnow any major exceotion?

nova heath
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But it's not every 'that'.

hidden sail
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like when is it not that?

nova heath
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That thing over there
Different 'that'.

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Or to use both:

The colour that that car has ...
Que = that.

hidden sail
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blob_nerveux oki

nova heath
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Cette = that.

hidden sail
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oh

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uh

nova heath
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If 'that' can also be 'this/the', then it's not 'que'.

hidden sail
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le velo est rouge que est beau

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is that good?

nova heath
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Le velo qui est rouge est beau.

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The bike which is red is pretty.

hidden sail
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ohh

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i thoguht qui is who lmao

nova heath
hidden sail
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mb

nova heath
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Is it that? Yeah, it's that.
C'est ça ? Oui, c'est ça.

hidden sail
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je veux que l'orange ou orange

nova heath
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If you happen to have learnt German at all, then 'que' is 'dass'. 🤔

hidden sail
nova heath
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Not sure if that helps you, though.

hidden sail
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i only knwo german basic phrase not grammsf

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learnt for 2 week

nova heath
hidden sail
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auf wiedersein

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ohh

nova heath
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It's a fun word.

hidden sail
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suelement?

nova heath
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Or rather, 'ne ... que' is 'only'.

hidden sail
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ne que .. pas?

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or non

nova heath
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The 'que' replaces the 'pas'.

hidden sail
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ohh

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like jamais

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ou

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oui

nova heath
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'Ne ... pas que' would be 'not only'.

brittle shard
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Much like an adjective that qualifies a noun, a relative clause qualifies a noun. And a relative pronoun connects those two parts and confers the grammatical role of the antecedent in regards to the relative clause.
Que marks the noun as the object of a relative clause (le vélo que j'ai acheté) while qui marks the noun as the subject of the relative clause (le vélo qui est beau).

hidden sail
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je veux ne l'orange/orange que achege

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ahchete

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achete*

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correct?

nova heath
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I'm afraid that makes no sense, nor do I understand what it's supposed to say.

hidden sail
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vrai*

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i want to only buy that orange

hidden sail
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hmm je veux acheter ne lorange/orange que?

nova heath
hidden sail
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ohh

nova heath
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Ne ... pas or ne ... que go around the verb.

hidden sail
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why cette not le or ...

nova heath
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Because 'cette' (feminine) is for 'this orange' and 'la' (or 'l'orange') would be 'the orange'.

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I want to buy the orange.
Je veux acheter l'orange.

I want to buy this orange.
Je veux acheter cette orange.

hidden sail
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oh that makes sense

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thank you sm flenby

nova heath
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No problem.

green pine
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When we have a complex sentence like this, « le manteau que j'ai acheté est blanc », this is actually two separate sentences merged into one. A 'complex' sentence is basically multiple sentences merged into one, hence 'complex'.

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The original sentences are:
(1) Le manteau est blanc
(2) J'ai acheté le manteau

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When we're forming complex sentences, that merger happens by way of a shared noun, the thing that exists in both sentences. In the sentence above, that's « le manteau ». Great! Now, when we're making a complex sentence, we have to determine the main/principal clause and the secondary/subordinate clause. The idea is that the principal clause forms the backbone of our complex sentence and we're essentially inserting the subordinate clause into the principal clause. We don't do anything to the principal clause; our focus is on the subordinate clause and just the subordinate clause.

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In the original complex sentence, (1) forms the principal clause and (2) forms the subordinate, so let's see how that works. Again, we don't care about the principal clause (1) so we're just looking at the subordinate. What is the noun shared between the two clauses? « le manteau ». Here, we use something called relative pronouns because they're used, well, to refer to something that's already said. In French, the relative pronouns are based off of subject/object so that's what we're doing now.
Let's look at (2). What is « le manteau » doing there, what is its role? Here, we can see that it's after the verb, which means it's an object. Is there a preposition (à, de, sans, pour, etc) before the noun? No, so it's a direct object, which means we just put « que ». Our sentence is almost complete; all we have to do is move « que » to the start of the subordinate clause. We're moving that because relative pronouns sit right next to the shared noun. Thus, we have our original sentence: « Le manteau que j'ai acheté est blanc. »

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A step-by-step method would be something like this:
(a) Le manteau est blanc + j'ai acheté le manteau
(b) Le manteau [j'ai acheté le manteau] est blanc
(c) Le manteau que j'ai acheté est blanc

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The site's explanation on « que » replacing the direct object « le manteau » is for the subordinate clause

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I've noticed that you've got « Anglais » in your bio so I'm assuming you speak English. English functions the same way with the key difference being the relative pronouns being based off of animacy/inanimacy (alive/dead)

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a) L'ordinateur que je viens d'acheter est un Mac [L'ordinateur est un Mac + je viens d'acheter l'ordinateur]
b) La porte qui grince appartient à Luke [La porte appartient à Luke + la porte grince]
Both of these would be translated in English with the relative pronoun 'that' because both are referring to dead things:
–> a) The computer that I've just bought is a Mac [The computer is a Mac + I've just bought the computer]
–> b) The door that creaks belongs to Luke [The door belongs to Luke + the door creaks]

c) La fille que tu aimes est ma voisine [La fille est ma voisine + tu aimes la fille]
d) L'homme qui parlait avec toi est le professeur [L'homme est le professeur + l'homme parlait avec toi]
Both of these would be translated in English with the relative pronoun 'who' because both are referring to living things:
–> c) The girl who you love is my neighbour [The girl is my neighbour + you love the girl]
–> d) The man who was talking with you is the teacher [The man is the teacher + the man was talking with you]

This is why we can't always equate « que = that » because French and English relative pronouns operate on fundamentally different logics. It's going to be a lot more apparent once you move on to the indirect object pronouns so you should try and understand the subject/direct object difference because it's important you get that difference.

Note:
que replaces direct objects
qui replaces subjects
I've highlighted the roles in the French sentences