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knotty kestrelBOT
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acoustic glacier
slim latch
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That will depend on

  • Quantity: are you talking to a group of people (plural)?
  • Formality: are you using formal/polite address with an individual?
acoustic glacier
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It's a bit humorous but it works

raw gull
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Thanks a lot

acoustic glacier
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Do note that « votre/vos » and « ton/ta/tes » depend on the noun you're modifying, not the person that owns said noun

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you can think of it as a sort of flowchart

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Who owns this noun?
(1) One speaker [singular first-person] => mon, ma, mes
–> Is the noun singular or plural?
––> Singular => mon/ma
–––> What is its gender? Masculine = mon (*) | Feminine ma
––> Plural => mes
(2) One listener (friend) [singular/informal second-person] => ton, ta, tes
–> Is the noun singular or plural?
––> Singular => ton/ta
–––> What is its gender? Masculine = ton (*) | Feminine ta
––> Plural => tes
(3) Someone not involved in the conversation [singular third-person] => son, sa, ses
–> Is the noun singular or plural?
––> Singular => son/sa
–––> What is its gender? Masculine = son (*) | Feminine sa
––> Plural => ses
(4) Multiple speakers [plural first-person] => notre/nos
–> Is the noun singular or plural?
––> Singular => notre
––> Plural => nos
(5) Multiple listeners/one senior listener (boss) [plural/formal singular second-person] => votre/vos
–> Is the noun singular or plural?
––> Singular => votre
––> Plural => vos
(6) Multiple people not involved in the conversation [plural third-person] => leur/leurs
–> Is the noun singular or plural?
––> Singular => leur
––> Plural => leurs

(*) Singular feminine words/adjectives that start with a vowel tend to use the singular masculine to avoid hiatus or a gap between two vocal sounds. Compare: « son école / sa grande école » and « ma maison / mon ancienne maison ». The noun doesn't change, just the possessive.

grave frigate
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;tu

knotty kestrelBOT
acoustic glacier
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ah so that was the excerpt command

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I forgot so I ended up uploading the whole thing from Reddit lol

grave frigate
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I like the longer version

acoustic glacier
grave frigate
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?

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The one I posted yea

acoustic glacier
grave frigate
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It's shorter

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It's longer than the original tho yes

acoustic glacier
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no it isn't

slim latch
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This is the only difference; the first starts where my screenshot ends instead of in the section above.

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grave frigate
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Ye

acoustic glacier
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the shorter one just starts at the 'Are you an adult part'

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oh wow I just noticed that

grave frigate
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Yes like I said urs is longer than the original but doesn't include talking to a group

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People often forget abt that part when they get too wrapped up in the singular differences

mental night
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???? Didn’t get this

acoustic glacier
mental night
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So if you say vous then you are a loser

acoustic glacier
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the internet's meant to be a place where everyone of any age or whatever can come together so adding distance like using « vous » does gives off weird vibes

mental night
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Does French have modern pronouns like xir etc

acoustic glacier
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neopronouns?

mental night
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Yeah

acoustic glacier
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yes though they're way less used

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« iel, iels, ielleux »

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basically mashing « il » and « elle » together

mental night
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Ah

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And follow the same conjugation as il and Elle

acoustic glacier
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yes

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it's still a third person pronoun

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the difference is when you introduce adjectives

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since adjectives have to agree in gender

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« Il est grand »
« Elle est grande »
What would you do with « iel » ? You put both: « Iel est grand.e »

mental night
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Ah ok

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quite intuitive

acoustic glacier
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same thing in the plurals
« Ils sont grands »
« Elles sont grandes »
« Iels sont grand.e.s »

mental night
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Old French people surely are gonna cry about this 😂

acoustic glacier
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Do note that non-binary people are more fluid on this in speech because « iel » just might sound like « elle »

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and there's no way to pronounce « grand.e.s » so in oral, NBs often opt for the masculine or the feminine

mental night
acoustic glacier
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no

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il/elle are both third person conjugations so no difference between the two

grave frigate
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Conjugation doesn't vary by gender

acoustic glacier
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if you're doing past participles, they may differ if the auxiliary is « être » because past participles are adjectives

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but that's not really conjugation

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the part we're referring to by saying 'conjugation' just affects the auxiliary verb

mental night
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I thought the past participle is avoir

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Fuck, this language is hard

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For example

grave frigate
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The auxiliary can either be avoir or être

mental night
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Il as regardé not il es regardé

grave frigate
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The past participle can be any verb

mental night
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Sorry I meant auxiliary also

acoustic glacier
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that's why we try to ease people in

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être is the auxiliary for a handful of verbs (arriver, venir, mourir – MRS VANDERTRAMP) and the pronominals (s'appeler, se souvenir, etc)

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Since all pronominals take « être », the real challenge is in those handful of vandertramp verbs

grave frigate
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Pronominals are a bit funky cuz they use être but under the hood they're rly avoir