#Omiwatari (corrigez-moi)

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floral orchid
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the most irregular verbs are pretty common, otherwise no one would remember them

robust rain
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might wanna read that

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It really depends on what group of verbs you're learning. If it's the first group (-er), it'll probably be 80-90 percent regular. If it's second group (-ir except -oir), probably 65-75% regular. If it's the third group (-re + -oir), there are a lot of subpatterns so many would say that it's irregular

floral orchid
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il est merveilleux que les francais naissent en connaissant tous les formes des verbes francais

sage bane
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All those websites

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I just have trouble remembering all of them because there are just so many

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sage bane
sage bane
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Like how boire just turns into

robust rain
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manger, parler, compter all end in -er

sage bane
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je bois
tu bois
il elle boit
nous buvons
vous buvez
ils elles buvent

robust rain
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They share the same pattern

sage bane
robust rain
sage bane
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I see a lot of them

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Like espérer

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Lancer

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Appeler

robust rain
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There’s also the thing that the verb you’ve just asked about, boire, is part of the third conjugation which doesn’t have a set pattern

sage bane
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It's all so very confusing and I worry about a situation where I mess up a conjugation

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Which happens many times, but I also don't think just through correction and experience through natives will help me efficiently

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But I think I have an idea of what to do now

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I'll make Anki decks with the irregular verbs

robust rain
# sage bane I see a lot of them

All three have the same endings and their changes are predictable.
Any -érer will have -è in the singular conjugations of the present, é for the rest
-cer and -ger verbs change purely for orthographic reasons
-eler and -eter double their consonants

sage bane
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Okay I will keep that into my mind

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Thank you very much

robust rain
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The letters C and G have two sounds, a 'hard' variant (English equivalent to key and game respectively) and a 'soft' variant (English equivalent to sock and joke respectively). In terms of orthography – written French – you have the hard variant in front of back vowels A, O, and U; the soft in front of front vowels of E and I. Compare « contrôle / cinéma, and galérie / géant ».

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What happens, then, if you want a soft sound in front of a back vowel? For C, we change this letter to Ç (c cédille); for G, we add the vowel E that's just purely there to make the G soft, the vowel itself is unpronounced.

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This explains the alternation in « lancer » (je lance, nous lançons) and « manger » (je mange, nous mangeons). Because the first person plural ending is -ons, a back vowel, you change the consonant so that the soft sound is pronounced instead of the hard sound because the rest of the conjugation uses the soft variant. The imperfect singulars, for example, feature this because their endings start with a back vowel (-ais, -ais, -ait)
—> je lançais, tu lançais, il lançait
—> je mangeais, tu mangeais, il mangeait

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This is purely orthographic. The word « français » has a C cédille even though the vowel sound is a front vowel because historically, when French spelling was standardised, the sound did start with a back vowel.

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As for « espérer, amener » whose singular conjugations have that E turn to È like « j'espère, j'amène », that comes down to French syllable structure. When you have a closed syllable – the syllable ends with a consonant – the E sound becomes open and it's marked with a grave accent (`). If we look at the structure of the infinitive, the syllable is open «  es-pé-ré, a-me-né (-er is pronounced é for infinitives) ». When we conjugate, however, their endings are mute meaning that « espère, amène » is actually « es-pèr, a-mèn ». Because of that change from open to closed, the vowel sound changes as well.

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That's why the most of the conjugation doesn't have this trait. The present plural second person « vous espérez, vous amenez » and the imperfect singular third person « il espérait, il amenait » has the syllable as open « es-pé-ré, a-me-né, es-pé-rè, a-me-nè » so the vowel doesn't change.

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I know it sounds complicated and to tell you the truth it is but these are purely orthographic. The pronunciation remains the same unlike other conjugations.

normal siren
# sage bane I just have trouble remembering all of them because there are just so many

If it's any consolation, the only really irregular tense is the present, and even then, ~99% of verbs in french are -ER verbs, all of which are regular except "aller" (there are a small handful of spelling changes due to pronunciation rules as bertie mentioned, but they are functionally regular)
-IR I believe is more regular than irregular
-RE will be the most irregular
But once you get into other tenses, provided you have the present tense down, it should be relatively easy

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For example, there is only 1 irregular verb in the imparfait - Être