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lime helm
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The usual auxiliary for a compound tense is avoir.
There are some verbs that use être as their auxiliary, you just need to learn them, you can check out Dr Mrs Vandertrampp or the house of être.

sinful patio
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  • every reflexive verb (those with se in front of them)
lime helm
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That's the verb that basically combines itself to the verb in its past participle form.
Avoir/être + past participle.
Finir => j'ai fini, tu as fini, etc.
Aller => je suis allé, tu es allé, etc.

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Auxiliary means helper in Latin. It helps constructing a compound tense.

scenic sand
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So être will be for actions like actions and avoir for others?

lime helm
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Manger is also an action, yet it uses avoir. So it's got nothing to do with actions or movements.

scenic sand
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How will I know wether to use avoir ou être

lime helm
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There is a short list of verbs that use être.

scenic sand
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Is it a matter of remembering

scenic sand
lime helm
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Yes.

scenic sand
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Merci

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Français est très difficile 😞

dark kindle
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As people above me said, it’s definitely easiest and pretty common to just memorise DR Mrs Vandertrampp when learning what verbs take ‘être’ and not ‘avoir.’ And of course also all reflexive verbs use ‘être’ for the passé composé;

If you do want to understand WHY though, here’s a little linguistic answer:
Other than the reflexive verbs, the verbs which use ‘être’ to form the passé composé are all intransitive—they don’t take an object—and further they are all considered ‘unaccusative’ linguistically in French—the action/event of the verb isn’t really necessarily being purposefully initiated by the subject, it’s just happening to them and reflects in change of state of being. Think of ‘falling’; it’s pretty hard to argue that a person is falling voluntarily. Or ‘descendre,’ meaning something like ‘go down; descend’; this word implies a change in state of being basically that isn’t necessarily considered like an overt action taken by the subject, but rather implies that the event is happening to the speaker, so it uses ‘être,’ and ‘I went down’ would be ‘Je suis descendu.e.’ BUT if these words are used with an object, i.e. ‘I went down the escalator’ then you’re implying a more intentional action and you’re doing that action to another object, so you’d use ‘avoir’—‘j’ai descendu l’escalier.’

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Sorry if that’s a lot, you seem to want to know reasons and they’re a little complicated but there are some linguistically!

scenic sand
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Ah merci

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Makes sense

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Like getting hurt for example would that use être?

dark kindle
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Yes! But that’s because most sentences meaning ‘I got hurt’ would be reflexive. Reflexive verbs used in the passé composé with être dont exactly always mean that the speaker did the action to themselves, but often rather that the action happened to the speaker, rather than the speaker purposefully doing it to themselves.

scenic sand
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Ah je voir

dark kindle
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So ‘I broke my leg’ would usually be ‘Je me suis cassé la jambe’ rather than ‘j’ai cassé ma jambe’; the latter would sound weird, like you purposefully broke your leg yourself for some reason

scenic sand
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Why is there me?

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If u don’t mind me asking

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Oh waittt nvm

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I see why

dark kindle
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Oh yeah that’s because it’s reflexive!

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Reflexive verbs are a lot more common in French than English and make for some weird constructions if you’re trying to translate directly

scenic sand
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So I add me to a reflextive sentence

dark kindle
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In English we’d say ‘I broke MY leg’ but in French we’d say ‘I am broke MYSELF the leg.’

scenic sand
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Lol

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Me comes before the action or it doesn’t rlly matter?

dark kindle
# scenic sand So I add me to a reflextive sentence

Yep! Think of reflexive pronouns as object pronouns that just happen to refer to the same person as the subject. In English we do this too but we always say ‘self’ in reflexive pronouns.
Je —> me (myself)
Tu —> te (yourself; informal, singular)
Il/elle/on —> se (himself; herself; ‘oneself’)
Nous —> nous (ourselves)
Vous —> vous (yourself/yourselves)
Ils —> se (themselves)

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Always before the verb!

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And if it’s passé composé, always before the entire verb phrase (before all the verbs involved including the auxiliary)

scenic sand
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If I want to say I got dressed I’d say je me habillè?

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Je me suis habillé*

dark kindle
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Yes!

scenic sand
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Accidentally removed suis

scenic sand
dark kindle
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Yeah exactly

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Hugeee man bon travail

scenic sand
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Ce serveur est vraiment utile

dark kindle
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De rien!

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Ouin ça m’a aidé tellementttt aussi quand je commençais à apprendre haha