#FM0905
thorny zephyr
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Sometimes iel, sometimes something else
rough mortar
Sometimes iel, sometimes something else
If we use iel, then what's the gender of adjective?
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If we use iel, then what's the gender of adjective?
Could be masc, could be fem, could be avoided, could be a mix of the two
Best to ask the person
If you look up "écriture inclusive" you should be able to get an idea of how they can be mixed
visual quail
Just know that this écriture inclusive thing is something that only white leftists use in big cities
It doesnt worth anything outside the gayest towns in france like paris bordeaux etc
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that's.. not really true
écriture inclusive will obviously mostly be used by populations that need it more, but it is not at all exclusive to "the gayest towns" or any such thing - if you need it, you can use it, and many people do use it in all sorts of places across france, from cities to rural areas
visual quail
t'es français ?
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J'ai plusieurs copines françaises, la plupart de mes amis sont français, et j'ai passé pas mal de temps là-bas, mais pas français non ^^
visual quail
well im french and i guarantee you that écriture inclusive is more a thing we make fun of
it was born yday it will die tomorrow
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Oh there are always people that make fun of things, yes
There were people who made fun of singular "you" in english for a long time 
Language evolves whether people hate it or not
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L'écriture inclusive has been around since ~1980, it's not going anywhere anytime soon
No matter how much people whine and complain about language evolution, if the language doesn't work for something, it will evolve
So unless something better comes along, which doesn't currently exist, it's not going anywhere
visual quail
we will see
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I don't particularly like the state of écriture inclusive myself, but I recognize that there are presently no better options, so obviously it's going to stay for the time being. It's just a fact
visual quail
Or maybe we can stop listening to grown persons crying and move on trying to not get stabbed when we go out
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What?
visual quail
On peut arrêter d'écouter les caprices venant d'adultes en dépression et essayer de ne pas se faire planter quand on sort
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Je vois pas le rapport
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Okay, well this is a learning server, for teaching the reality of the language, not for complaining about whatever issues you have going on
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The reality of the language is not "leftism bullshits" it's a language
visual quail
broooooooo
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Languages don't care about your feelings
visual quail
what reality are you talking about
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They evolve whether you like it or not
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One french person doesn't represent the entirety of the french language unfortunately
If amongst you and your friends it hasn't evolved yet, cool
That's not the entirety of the language
visual quail
boy it did evovle for 3 punks with blue hair and lots of estorgen
for the rest of us it's a joke
estrogen *
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You should perhaps look into the history of it, since you seem pretty poorly informed
Regardless, I'm simply stating the facts of the language. How you feel about it is your own deal
visual quail
alright
signal spruce
Hi @rough mortar As someone who is non-binary, I usually use il due to the fact iel is not as widespread/as known throughout the francophone world. Il est considered masculine but also neutral depending on the context. However, I do use iel in communities where iel is known for those who aren’t male/female.
Unlike what others in this thread like to imply, language does evolve and change based on the needs of the people, whether opponents want it to or not. One example is ‘they’ in English. It was used as a single-person neutral pronoun for a very long time before it because widespread and commonly used by queer people. Now it is considered a normal way to refer to someone in the singular tense, even when talking about those who aren’t lgbt.