#galdur16
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hidden basin
The extra "e" is only to make the g soft
lean vector
mangons would be like mango
restive coral
The extra "e" is only to make the g soft
And how do I know when to add the extra -e?
lean vector
the exception here is not parler, its actually manger
hidden basin
All -er verbs except aller are functionally regular, some just have slightly different spelling due to the rules of pronunciation
hidden basin
And how do I know when to add the extra -e?
ge/gi - soft g
go/ga/gu - hard g
"regular" conjugation would be man__go__ns, but this makes a hard g while the verb uses a soft g, so an "e" is added to force the soft g sound
restive coral
Could you write an example with “gi”?
hidden basin
The same thing happens with c -
ce/ci - "soft" c (like s)
co/ca/cu - "hard" c (like k)
ço/ça/çu - "soft" c (like s)
hidden basin
Could you write an example with “gi”?
Girafe
restive coral
Well, you said “mangons” makes a hard “g”, so we add an extra -e = mangeons
Now which verbs get “gi”?
hidden basin
Mangions?
hidden basin
Well, you said “mangons” makes a hard “g”, so we add an extra -e = man**ge**ons
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Oh
None
That's not how it works
If they need to turn a g from hard to soft they add an e. They don't add an i.
I'm just explaining what vowels cause which pronunciation
Mangions for example is the imparfait and subjunctive form of manger
restive coral
So the softening -e is only added in conjugations?
hidden basin
Uh i mean I'm sure it's used elsewhere
I have no examples though
ç though you have shit like garçon
Cuz otherwise it would be pronounced garkon
lean vector
its jsut the little things to keep pronounciation
recevoir -> reçu (recieved)
to keep the C soundling like a S or else its reku
i would honestly say, remember manger is like that
and move on
find another one? remember that
restive coral
I mean, are there any other letters that are added in conjugations for softening?
For “g” it is “e”
Is that it? Or are there more?
lean vector
because with U c+u = ku
like in ass - cul (kul)
to gard the 's' sound they use ç
this is just tiny transformations to keep pronounciations
restive coral
Is recevoir irregular?
Because it is je reçois and not je reçevois
hidden basin
"reçevu" wouldn't make sense cuz the "ce" combo is there which is already "sse", ç makes no sense
hidden basin
Is recevoir irregular?
Because it is je reçois and not je reçevois
It's irregular, like everything ending in "voir"
Possibly "oir" in general?
Idk
For the other way around you have "gu" to make the g hard
Like monologue
restive coral
Alright, so in summary, it is “g” and “e”; “c” and “ç”
hidden basin
To make soft
lean vector
you will learn with each conjugation
dont worry if this does not stick
and sometimes you just have to blindly nod and go "ok that's how french is"
with time you will learn
bon courage
restive coral
you will learn with each conjugation
There are 3 groups of verbs and about 20 different conjugations for each
lean vector
There are 3 groups of verbs and about 20 different conjugations for each
ok calm
learn the present first
you will learn the others soon
focus on one tense
dont overwhelm yourself
slowly in time you will recognise french patterns
hidden basin
French has less used tenses than english, -er verbs making up 99% of all french verbs, all -er verbs being regular except for aller (just a few small spelling rules for pronunciation)
Present tense is the hardest tense conjugation wise, the only other tricky thing being the past participles
Everything else builds off of each other in general
lean vector
slowly does it
you dont ned to master all 20 different conjugations of each verb right now
you might even not know what half of them mean
or when to use
just take it easy, combat the hardest present tense, and everything will soon make some coherent sense... at least more than you throwing yourself to the deep end
low garden
If you're looking for words, you can just look up words starting with « ge » and start there. That's how I found the word « geai (jay – the bird) ». Originally spelled « jai », later grammarians changed the spelling to relate it better with its original Latin gaius. Putting regular G will just harden the consonant so an « e » is added : « geai ».
By the way, this will happen to -cer for reasons mentioned above.
« nager, manger »
–> nous nageons, nous mangeons
« commencer, menacer »
–> nous commençons, nous menaçons
In the present the change affects just the first person plural (nous) but in the imperfect it'll affect all but the first and second plurals :
(nager) –> je nageais, tu nageais, il nageait, nous nagions, vous nagiez, ils nageaient
(menacer) je menaçais, tu menaçais, il menaçait, nous menacions, vous menaciez, ils menaçaient
hidden basin
If you're looking for words, you can just look up words starting with « ge » and...
Where'd you get the é from?
I've only ever seen geai