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outer tideBOT Oct 9, 2024, 9:23 PM

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proper coyote Oct 9, 2024, 9:27 PM

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être + infinitive is not correct afaik

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it's always être + past participle

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"ils/elles ont fait" doesn't have an 's' at the end because "ont" = avoir auxiliary so you don't conjugate in this case

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Ces dessins ont été faits

Here faits takes an S ~~because it is used as an adjective~~. They have been done. Note that we use "ont été" and not "ont étaient" because we use the past participle.

dry shard Oct 9, 2024, 9:36 PM

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thanks for the explanation and for correcting me on "être + past participle"

proper coyote Oct 9, 2024, 9:43 PM

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Basically 'ont été faits' = 'être faits' in the past, therefore we conjugate as with the être verb

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While 'ont fait' is 'avoir fait' in the past, so we don't conjugate the past participle with the avoir auxiliary

dry shard Oct 9, 2024, 9:54 PM

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ah i didn't know / forgot that the past participle remains invariable when using the "avoir"

proper coyote Oct 9, 2024, 9:55 PM

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well it remains invariable unless the COD is placed before the auxiliary

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as in "la maison que tu as achetée"

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then you conjugate with the object (la maison)

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John a acheté une maison / La maison que John a achetée

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Ils ont mangé des pâtes / Les pâtes qu'ils ont mangées

dry shard Oct 9, 2024, 10:00 PM

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got it. and just to confirm, the conjugation is always required in the case of using "etre" as the auxiliary verb

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correct?

proper coyote Oct 9, 2024, 10:00 PM

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yes

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except for some verbs 😄

Elle s'est offert une moto.

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don't worry too much about it, you'll see this when studying les 'verbes pronominaux'

dreamy dirge Oct 10, 2024, 3:28 AM

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Pronominal verbs simply act like avoir verbs, despite using être

proper coyote Oct 10, 2024, 2:48 PM

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Pas toujours, elle s’est occupée de ...

dreamy dirge Oct 10, 2024, 6:14 PM

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proper coyote Pas toujours, *elle s’est occupée de ...*

en quoi ça contredit ce que j'ai dit?

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"se" est un COD dans ta phrase

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donc on fait l'accord... comme avec l'auxiliaire avoir

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