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Oh that one's fun

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Hello

So the leasson is L'accord du participe passe
With Etre and Avoir

I cannot but cannot understand it

Also sorry if I miss thoese little French things above the letters I just don't have them on my phone

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When you hold the letter it doesn't come up?

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What

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No it dosent I think I have to do something in settings later

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Ok

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Alright so first we have the L'accord du participe passe Etre

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Yep

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So I cannot understand how to do it

We did exercices in class but I don't understand

Sooo

First in the leasson we have

Conjugue avec être les verbes de mouvement

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Do you know the être verbs?

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Can you tell me some so I can like remember if I know them or not exactly

😂

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Dr mrs vandertramp ring a bell?

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Uhm no ?

I think here what I need a bit help with at this small part if the mouvement vbs.

Cuz for me they are a bit hard to recognize, is there a trick or you have to learn them and know them direct

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Oh so thoese are all mouvement?

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No

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Ah

Then thoese are the verbes that Conjugue with Etre?

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Être verbs are usually verbs of movement or state

But yes these are all of the main verbs that conjugate with être

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Alright one moment let me note then

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Some of them can also be used with avoir, when they have an object (être verbs cannot have an object)

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So for this leasson

L'accord du participe passe with Être, whitch verbes from the list will apply

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All

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Alright got that

Then

They conjugué avec être s'accorde en genre et nombre avec le SUBJECT

If I'm not wrong..

Feminine is with E at the end

Masculine is with S

And if is fem plural is ES
And masc plural is SS?

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Masc plural is just s

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Ah alright

What I don't understand for this leasson is that I don't know whitch item from the sentence is C.O.I and whitch is C.O.D

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Masculine singular is with nothing

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Ah alr

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Être verbs have no COD or COI

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Oooh

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Those are objects

Être verbs cannot have an object

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Cuz in the leasson it sais

Le participe passe ne s'accorde pas si le pronom reflective C.O.I

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Ok so there are another group of verbs that use être as an auxiliary (helper verb) but don't act like être verbs at all

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Oooh

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These are pronominal or reflexive verbs

Je me lève, je m'habille, je me brosse les cheveux

These verbs by definition have an object, which happens to be the same as the subject

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So the teacher said they will give us exercices like in class but I did not understand them, can you help me understand how to do them?

For example ex 2

Can you explain me how to do it please

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Well we should discuss avoir agreement then

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I don't understand how to do the exercices that she want to give us cuz she said she will give us exercices like in clas but ofc different

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Avoir verbs (and pronominal verbs) agree with the COD - IF there is one, and if it comes BEFORE the verb

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So if it's before the verb then they Conjugue?

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They s'accordent

Participles don't conjugate

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Alr

Then how would we do ex 2 then

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We need to understand what a COD is

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Ofc don't do it all like help me understand and I will try myself and tell you and you say if I did it right or wrong

Alright

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COD is the direct object, which in a normal sentence means there's no preposition between the object and the verb

Je mange la pizza

I am directly doing the action on the object

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I eat the pizza

Right?

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Yep

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Okay so it means you do something Direct

And nothing else

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Sometimes verbs have a direct and an indirect object

I give the gift to my sister

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Alright

You can continue to explain I'm like watching

Trying to understand

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My sister is indirect because she isn't having the action of giving done directly to her, but she receives the result of that action

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So if is something Direct is COD

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And because we have "to" there to indicate that

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Because the action is done directly

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Yes

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And if is not directly is COI

?

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Yep

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Can you try and give me some examples and I tell you if is cod or COI?

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J'ai téléphoné à ma sœur
Il a fini son travail
Il a appelé la banque
Ils lancent le ballon au chien
Nous mangeons du pain
J'offre de la monnaie à mon ami

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Alright let me see

1. Is COD
2. Is COD
3. Is COD
4. Is COI
5. Is COD
6. Is COI

?

I feel I'm wrong since you type so much 🥲

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1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. There are multiple objects
5. Yes
6. Multiple objects again

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So how many out of 6

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Like 4 if you count the two as .5

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Alright is not bad

But the first one why is not cod

Cuz is a direct action, calling the sister

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« à »

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Ooh

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Sometimes they don't line up with English

(prepositions are a bit random)

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So if it was witchout the à it was COD ?

Can you try give me some more to try again please and I'll try not to hurry

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Yes

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Alr

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And remember you can have both

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Both în one sentence?

Coi and cod

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Both with one verb

You can have lots in a sentence

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We only small sentences not long ones

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Hm?

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I mean in class at the exercices we sometimes had two COD in one sentence but not more

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Ah ok

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Can u try give me some more example maybe I can get them all right

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J'ai passé le sel à mon frère
Il a regardé le télé
Nous avons mangé du poulet
Ils écoutent la radio
Tu cours vite
Elle aime les crabes
Nous jouons aux échecs

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1. COI
2. COD
3. COI
4. COD
5. COD
6. COD
7. COI

I'm not really sure if I did good on the 6th one

And i think after I get the COD and COI I might need help mostly to understand how to do the exercices the teacher told us she will give us alike

Cuz for me I'm more troubled at understanding how to do the exercices and I don't understand when to do with Etre and when with avoir

The test is tomorrow and she will give us exercices and I need you to help me understand how to do them

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1. Two objects
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. No
6. Yes
7. Yes

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I almost did it

So can you please help me understand how to do the types of exercices my teacher said she will give us? Ofc not the same but the same type

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Generally it's easiest to try rewording the sentence so that you can see if the object is a COD or not

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Ohhh

Can I show you thoese exercices and take them one by one and help me understand? But like not for you to do them whole, maybe you do 2 of the things there and I'll try do the rest so you can see if I understood

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ok

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Okay so

First we have these 2

Let's take ex I first

What shall I do to it

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The first one is just adjectives so you just make the agreement regardless

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Can you give me an example?

Of how to do it

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Like if it were like
Les livres (lire)
It would be "les livres lus"

Cuz livres is masculine plural

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Wait why lus

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Cuz masculine plural is +s

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OOH

So let me try

For A)

Is féminine plural because it was es ?

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What gender is spectacle

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Fem?

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Masculine

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Oh

So that means Voir will be

Vus ?

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Yes

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Is a bit complicated to know whitch are masculine and whitch are feminine

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Yep

You have to learn it with each noun unfortunately

Un spectacle

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Especially that they are not the same in every language

So for B) is

Apprend us the base ?

Is*

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Nope

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So if apprendu

?

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No, do you know what it is for prendre?

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Pris

Right?

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Yes!

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So apprendu is...

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Apprendre follows the same pattern ^^

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Apris

?

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Appris

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Double p

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Yep

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And it had LA in front means féminine

So is apprise

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Yes

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?

Apprise ?

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Yes

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Then for c

Garnir

Garnis ?

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For the base?

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Garni for base

?

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Yes

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Ans is masculine singular

So garnis

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No

Masculine singular doesn't change

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Oh wait

Yea i remembered

So it remains the same?

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The base is always masculine singular

By default

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Oooh so it remains garni

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Yep

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Connaître

The base is

Uhm i don't know this one

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It's a tricky one yeah

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Hmm

Connais...?

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Connu

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Oh

And I see is plural

Actrices is fém ?

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If you ever need to look it up you can search <verb> participe passé or <verb> conjugaison and then look for participe passé

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Yep

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I'm just trying to remember them now on my own cuz for the test I won't be able to look anything up

So is connues ??

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It can be good to try to remember and then double check after

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Yes

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And last one for this ex

L'armoire

Is fem?

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Ya

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And the participe passe is admi?

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Afaik all -er verbs have regular past participles

Admis would be for admettre

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Oooh

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Admi isn't anything

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Then is admettree?

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No

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Admettrée

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Admirer, you're looking for admirer

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Admirer

Admir

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Admettre is to admit, the past participle is admis, I just mentioned it because it's the one thing pronounced like what you said

-er is always -é

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So the participle passe is whitch to admirer

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Admiré

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Then cuz is fem

It should be admirée

?

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Yes

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Okay until we go to the next ex acn you give me 3 more to do?

3 more like examples

Pls

But this first ex dosent seem hard you just need to know the participe passe and it might be a bit tricky for plural as you don't rlly know if is fem or masc that's trixky

Tricky

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I'd just give it your best guess tbh

You had decent guesses

If you have something like that on the test maybe writing down sth like m.s. for masculine singular or f.pl. for feminine plural so your teacher knows what you thought it was?

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Ah alright

Sometimes not even the teacher can explain whitch are masc and fem when we ask how can we tell them apart for plural

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You can't

You just have to know them

There are some patterns but very few are consistent and fully reliable

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Well it's okay I'll try my best guess there

Okay shall we go to the next ex?

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Sure

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The next one seems lore harder for me

So what do I need to do

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This one deals with the thing we talked about

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The cod and COI?

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In compound tenses (auxiliary + past participle) where avoir is the auxiliary, the agreement is made with the direct object (COD) if it's before the verb

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Well I think first we need to see if the sentence is cod or COI?

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It's not one or the other, it can have both

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But we have to see if it has both or if it has any cod or COI right?

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You need to figure out how many objects they are and where they are
If they're all after the verb, you don't need to know if it's COD or COI, it just won't agree
If there's one before the verb and one after, you have to figure out which one is COD and which one is COI

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Alright let me try

The object in the first one is the la porte ?

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Yes

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And the verbe us ouvert

The one between ()

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Yes

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So we have to see if the object is before or behind the verbe?

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Yes

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In this case is behind

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Yep

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So because is behind we don't have to see if is cod or COI

Right?

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Exactly!

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Then we just write the verb as it is?

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Yep

Well, the past participle

But they give you it

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Then ires participe passe

Their

Is ouvrt?

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ouvert yeah, they give you the past participle

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Oh so the answer is just ouvert?

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Just saying that if they had given you "ouvrir" you obviously wouldn't keep it as ouvrir ^^

But yeah

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Ah

Then the next one

The object

Is les meilleures ?

The sentence seems very long

But shouldn't at these exercices have to do anything with avoir and être too ?

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No

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În this exercice we have to use avoir or être too ?

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It already uses avoir

It's quizzing you on avoir agreement specifically

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Oh

But the object in this sentence

Is les réponses Then ?

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Yes

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Then the verbe

Is behind e

Behinde

Meaning no change

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Les réponses is the first word in the sentence so no it can't be after the verb

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So the verbe remains donné

?

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No

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No?

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The object is before the verb, so you have to check if it's COD

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OOOH

Yea is before

Well let's see

Well I don't think is cod because is not something Direct

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Why not

What would it look like if you put the object after the verb

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But it's a direct action tho?

It would have not been a direct if something else was also going on?

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It's nothing about whether something is going on or not

It's about whether we use à or not after the verb

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Oooh

So that à is the important factor

So if there is no à means cod

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J'ai donné [à] les réponses
You have to figure out if you would normally have an à there or not

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Well it's not so is cod

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Yes

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Then what do I do to the verbe

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So we've checked off the boxes
before the verb
cod
So now we can do the agreement

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Agreement with the verbe ont ?

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With the direct object

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Then

Is plural

Is it fem?

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Yes

Une réponse

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So données

?

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Yes!

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Alright next one

I see there is an à so is COI

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For which object

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Oh wait there are more

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Remember, figure out where all of the objects are first

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So we have

Des fleurs ?

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Yes

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And nos méres ?

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Yes

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And the à is for nos méres

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mères

Yes

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So we have cod and COI?

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Yes

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And the verbe is behind the COD meaning we do have to do the agreement

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Because you have a COI after the verb, you can safely assume the object before the verb is COD

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Alright

So we do have to do agrement

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Yes

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Agreement

And we do it after the COD?

Like the object in cod

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Yes

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Then we have

Offerts

?

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Fleur is unfortunately feminine

Une fleur

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But is des fleurs

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Yes

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And that's plural

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Yes

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So

Offertes

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Yep

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F the feminine and maducline plural

😂

Masculine *

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Yea haha

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Next one

Is it as considered as an à?

Or the a before the verbe

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There is no à

As is the verb avoir

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So there aren't any alternatives for à

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No

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Just simple à

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Though

À + le = au
À + les = aux

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So is either à, au or aux

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Basically yeah

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Then let's first do the objects

Is it unde decision?

Unde

Une

I'll imagine like squares

⬜ FIND OBJECT
⬜ COD OR COI
⬜ AGREEMENT

Like steps

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Wait, wait, « en » here is the adverbial pronoun where it replaces an indirect object so there won't be any past participle agreement

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Huh

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I mistakenly wrote in French

wait

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Uhm can I help you?

Or like idk

😂

I'm trying to understand my leasson

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There

It's for C, « des fleurs, nous en avons (offert) à nos mères »

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Yea what's with it

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I don't think there should be a past participle agreement here because the object before the verb isn't a direct one

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Please don't confuse me I am bad already at French 🥲

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Well you've learnt from the 400+ messages that past participles agree with direct objects, right?

Il a vu les fleurs
Il les a vues (les fleurs)
Les fleurs qu'il a vues
^ this thing

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I'm trying atm to understand what I need to do at the exercices the teacher told us she will give at the test, we'll alike

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Right well that's the thing you're supposed to do

That's why A has « ouvert » and B has « données »

because with A there is no direct object before the noun whereas with B there is

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Yea

And at D) the object is une décision ??

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Right well with C, « en » doesn't trigger that change AFAIK

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Okay

But I'm not sure at D if the object is une décision

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For D, there's already a direct object: « les »

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Les ?

But isn't les used for plural ?

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So following your squares model, you've found the object and determined it's COD

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I'm at D....

Not C

And no I did not find the object

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It can't be COI because if it were, it would've been « lui/leur, y, or en »

« Tu les as laissé prendre seuls une décision »

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But les can't be the object really

Cuz les is used for verbs plural

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« le, la, les » are direct object pronouns so if they're found, that's your direct object

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Aha

And because that's the object

And we don't have any à

Means is cod

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When it comes to third person object pronouns, their forms are different depending if they're COD or COI

le/la/les = COD
lui/leur, y, en = COI

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Yea as I said...is COD

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so if you see « Je les aime bien », that object pronoun is COD

if you see « Je lui ai déjà répondu », that object pronoun is COI

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Yea so is cod and the verb is behind means we do agreement

But I remains laissé

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It's probably a typo

no, scratch that, it's a typo

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I didn't think that was how it worked provided the direct object was still in the same sentence and before

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I'm going to assume that it's a typo and that your professor meant « tu les as (laissé) prendre seuls une décision » unless your professor has gone over the 1990 spelling reforms

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The direct object isn't a part of the sentence, it's just repetition for emphasis

Unless the original sentence was something like « J'ai cueilli les fleurs du jardin » where we can reform that into « Les fleurs que j'en ai cueillies » but in that case, the agreement is to « les fleurs » and not « du jardin »

The only way that the past participle agrees is if the sentence was:
« Des fleurs que nous avons (offert) à nos mères »

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Ok so I'm not crazy lol it's just heavily déconseillé

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Mmm

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Anyway

I skimmed through the top but did your professor give out material on past participle agreement?

Because C and D are contentious IMO

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Oop

We did uhm with Etre and Avoir

L'accord du participe passe

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Okay so the contention with C is mentioned above where « en » doesn't make the past participle agree

my contention with D is that « laisser » traditionally agrees with a COD but doesn't anymore after the 1990 spelling reforms so depending on where your professor is leaning, D could either be a typo or could already be answered

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I don't know what a typo is...

Especially in French

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Mistype

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Ah okay

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A typo would be like « Elle s'est rendu en France »

should be « Elle s'est rendue en France »

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Here

We also have to add avoir or être

But I don't understand how

Like how do u know when is etre or avoir

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You just memorise. For normal verbs, there's a list you can memorise, DR & MRS VANDERTRAMPP (pictured above below) that uses être. For pronominal verbs (the ones with « se/s' » before the verb like « se souvenir/s'appeler », they all use être.

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And how would you solve the exercice

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Before we start, do you know how the passé composé is formed?

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First we ofc need to know être and Avoir at all genres and numbers

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Okay good

What else?

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Well passe compose dosent form after the genre and number of the object that there is?

Like the verbs follows the genre and number of that object

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Verbs actually take into account person and number

je parle is first-person (I/we) and singular (I)

tu parles is second-person (you [one]/you [all]) and singular (you [one])

etc etc

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Yea

I just don't understand how to do that ex

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Gender agreement affects the past participle but not the auxiliary verb

The basic idea is that verbs change according to person and number, right? Like « parler » turns to « parle » when paired with « je (first person singular) » or to « parlez » when paired with « vous (second person plural) ». You with me?

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Yea

Even if I don't answer I'm here and reading what you say

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Alright keep that in mind for now

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Okay

But my issue is that I don't understand what to do in the exercice and maybe if you give me an example and help me at least with the first example there maybe I can understand better

For now I did understand 2 exercices but idk how to do all of them

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Tenses in French are divided into 'simple' tenses and 'compound' tenses. The difference comes down to how the verb changes. Every tense contains two pieces of information: the person information and the meaning information. For example, « je parle » has the person information of being first person and singular, and the meaning information of speaking. That's a simple tense.
A compound tense separates the two so the person information and the meaning information are handled by the auxiliary verb and the past participle respectively. For example, « j'ai parlé » has two separate parts: the auxiliary verb and the past participle. The auxiliary verb is the one that handles the person information (first-person, singular) whereas the past participle handles the meaning information (speaking).

Because of this, past participles with « avoir » don't change; what changes is the auxiliary verb, the one that's carrying the person information.

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But the steps

See the objects
See if is cod or coi
Do the agreement

Are corecta are following steps?

[trail lodge]

« J'ai parlé, tu as parlé, il a parlé, nous avons parlé, vous avez parlé, ils ont parlé »

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That's later

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Later?

But I need to understand how to do the exercice I showed you

[trail lodge]

The exercise you showed me is forming the passé composé

You need to understand the idea behind it

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Okay...

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Now, are you with me until this point?

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Yeah

[trail lodge]

As you can see here, what changes is the auxiliary verb, right? The past participle does not change.

Let's now look at your exercise.

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So what I don't get in the exercice

Is mostly how to add être or avoir

And how to actually do it correct

[trail lodge]

As I've pointed out earlier, you just conjugate it. Which to choose, that depends on the verb in question.

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If it's not mentioned here, it takes « avoir ».

Okay?

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Can you wait one moment my mom needs me to help her urgent with something

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If you turn the following phrase into passé composé:
« Il (demander) de partir »
What should be the answer?

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Demand is the base right?

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ofc ofc

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Yes, the infinitive

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And do I have to add any Etre or avoir in front to Conjugue with it?

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Yup

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Look at this list. Is « demander » there?

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No so it means avoir

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Good

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Then it will be

Il a demand

?

[trail lodge]

demandé

don't forget the past participle!

but yes you are correct

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Alright

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If I asked instead: « Vous [demander] de partir »

What would you answer?

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Vous avez demandé

?

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Wonderful!

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So it will always be demandé?

Like that form won't Change

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For now yes

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Okay

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Because we've not introduced direct objects before the verb like before

This is just basic conjugation

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Yes

So how would we do for my exercice

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I just asked you to do so

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Or so the same

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Let's take number 1:
« Nous (rester) à la maison »

Is « rester » on the list?

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Yea

So être

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Now with « être », the past participles do agree

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În number and genre?

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Compare « il est rentré, elle est rentrée, ils sont rentrés, elles sont rentrées »

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yup

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Aha

With avoir they don't

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So long as there's no direct object behind the verb, yes

What would you get then?

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Être

?

[trail lodge]

Yup

It's on the list

How would you conjugate that?

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Can you send it again?

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Remember, the principle is the same, the only thing that changes is the past participle agreeing with the subject

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The thing I need r on Conjugue

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I meant the verb you told me to Conjugue

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Oh, « rester »

« Nous (rester) à la maison »

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Nous somme resté

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Remember that past participle agreement

« nous » is not singular

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Restées ?

Because of la maison

?

[trail lodge]

Oh no, the « à la maison » part doesn't matter

What matter is « nous »

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Then restés

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since we don't know, both « restés » and « restées » work

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Ah alr

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It's a different thing with « elles »

we do know it's plural and feminine so « restées » is the only possible answer if we had « elles (rentrer) à la maison »

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Yea

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That's why in conjugation sites you might see this:
« Je suis resté.e »

That's to denote past participle agreement

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I'll have to learn that ms list with the verbes

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because we don't know if « je » is feminine or masculine

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Brb

[trail lodge]

Alright, you can do B until E. Do note that B and D involve the prior lessons about COD and past participle agreements.

a) Nous (rester) à la maison
b) Les stratégies que vous (choisir) ont eu un grand succès
c) Du lait, il en (boire) au petit déjeuner
d) Les cadeaux que tu (vouloir) ont été très chers
e) Il (naître) au mois de septembre

(I'm typing it out so I don't have to keep scrolling up)

Once you reach E, we'll take a break to explain pronominals

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So for a

Rester is on the list

Means être

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I'll make a sort of flow chart for you

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Ah OK

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Is it on the DR & MRS VANDERTRAMPP list?

1. It's not

2. It is

3. It's not
   a. Take « avoir »
   b. Conjugate the verb according to the subject in the present tense
   c. Add the past participle
   d. Are there any direct objects before the verb?
   –> Yes = Past participle agrees with the object in number and gender
   –> No = Past participle remains unchanged

4. It is
   a. Take « être »
   b. Conjugate the verb according to the subject in the present tense
   c. Add the past participle
   d. Make the past participle agree with the subject in number and gender

We'll adjust for the pronominals later

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Alright let's do the d'exercice

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Okay so

For a) the verbe is in the list so means être

Nous somme restés

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nous sommes restés

missing an S at the end of « sommes » but yes

Continue

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Ah sorry

Vous choisir

The verbe

Is mot on the list

Means avoir

Vous avez choisi

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Is there a direct object?

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Let me see

Les stratégies

?

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Yup

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So it will be

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Gender and number would be?

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Is plural

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Good, and the gender?

[untold osprey]

this is a particularly hard exercise for someone just starting to learn agreements lol

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But I'm not sure if is masculine or feminine as for plural is a bit harder to tell

[trail lodge]

You can consult a dictionary

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În the middle of the test :,)?

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well

[untold osprey]

we used to have dictionaries for some of my tests

but like

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I'll put my guess and I'll say masculine

[trail lodge]

https://www.wordreference.com/fren/stratégie

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Uh oh, it's feminine

[untold osprey]

the teacher is stupid if it's words you dont know and youre expected to just know the gender

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Dang it

Vous avez choisies ?

[trail lodge]

Nice work!

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it's funny that exercise 2 was gender agreement and exercise 3 is passé composé

[untold osprey]

if anything there should be a note of the word's gender

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😄

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should've been the other way around

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Fr

[untold osprey]

3 is both no?

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🥲

[trail lodge]

Yeah but given that I had to explain the passé composé it might be too big of a jump

[untold osprey]

I mean she seemed to understand the passé composé fine earlier :o

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For c

Boire is not on the list means avoir so is

Il a boit

I don't rlly see an object

Du lait ?

[untold osprey]

boit isnt the past participle of boire unfortunately

[trail lodge]

Okay okay

wrong participle on boire

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🙂

[trail lodge]

but you're getting the hang of it at least

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At least

[trail lodge]

I will say though that the third group (-re) verbs are hell

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Imagine that

These are all the exercices she said she might give

Like... Alike expédiés

Exercices

[untold osprey]

fwiw I never learned avoir agreement in like
10ish years of french

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🥲

[untold osprey]

and natives struggle with it

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THEN WHY DO WE HAVE TO LEARN

[untold osprey]

(mostly because it isnt usually noticeable orally)

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French dosent even help me in life

I want to go to a English - Italian university

[untold osprey]

I mean it's up to you how to use it ultimately

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🥲

Where did the other one disappear

Bert

Anyways I kinda got the hang of how to do it

I need to learnt rheose être verbe list

[untold osprey]

yeah

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God help me tomorrow to at least get a pass grade

[trail lodge]

Man you got the raw end of the deal

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We have grades from 1-10 and for me pass is 7-10

But technically is 5-10

I hope I can get a good grade in the French test

Are there any tricks for these exercices?

To make it easier for you?

[trail lodge]

The challenge is just remembering what takes what

Otherwise it all works

Pronominals like « s'appeler, se souvenir » from F and onwards all take « être » so that's a plus

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Aha

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If you see « se/s' » think of it as être

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When I have to Conjugue verbes with se or s' I use always être?

Thoese confuse me sometimes

[untold osprey]

yes

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Ooh so always être
Good

[untold osprey]

they still act like avoir verbs for agreements but they always use être without exception

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Ah alright alright

Have faith in me 🥲

Yall think I'll pass?

[untold osprey]

I mean you'll certainly do better than before :p

just do your best, maybe practice past participles

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I will try practice the auxiliaires and that list of verbes for être you gave me

[trail lodge]

do that yeah

it'll cover, what 90% of all verbs that use être in terms of usage

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😄

Usually thoese are the popular verbes used more in exercices

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yeah

also the pronominals you were given don't take a direct object like some pronominals do

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Oh

Alright

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so don't worry about agreement, just treat it as you would any other être verb

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Okay

Ty

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I PASSED MY TEST