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shrewd brambleBOT
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eternal python
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N'étais pas for je, tu and n'était pas for il, elle and on

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Je n'étais pas
Tu n'étais pas
Il/elle/on n'était pas

balmy bough
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Adding to the comment above, verbs agree according to person, number, and tense. While person information can include gender, it's irrelevant unless you're dealing with compound tenses where the past participle is involved like passé composé or plus-que-parfait. In those cases, the past participle does agree with gender and number, and that's because past participles are adjectives

nova talon
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^^ for the verbs like se sentir or se lever

balmy bough
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Ex:
« il vient, elle vient
ils viennent, elles viennent »
Agreement here is with person (third person), number (singular).

« il est venu, elle est venue
ils sont venus, elles sont venues »
The auxiliaries still agree only in person and number but the past participle here acts like an adjective so it agrees with the gender and number of the noun it's modifying.

nova talon
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elle s'est sentie
elle s'est levée
il s'est levé

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and also for direct objects

je l'ai mangé (masculin item)
je l'ai mangée (feminin item)

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its a bit of a nightmare actually but from what i know even natives struggle with that part

jolly spire
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C'est très serviable, merci beaucoup à tous

nova talon
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esp when we get to things like elle s'est fait voler because se faire is an indirect object not a direct object

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but elle s'est faite belle

balmy bough
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Yes, though for avoir verbs the agreement is for the direct object behind the verb whereas what I gave is for intransitives without objects

nova talon
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to help you out too at least for indicatif (not composé) je will never end in t

fathom pond
balmy bough
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Elle s'est fait voler
Elle s'est faite belle

Bold = Indirect object
Underlined = Direct object

nova talon
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yes

balmy bough
nova talon
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so when it's a pronominal and indirect it doesn't agee with gender

fathom pond
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But those concepts are pretty advanced, the gist is still that conjugation takes tense, person and number into account, but not gender

balmy bough
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-t/-ø is a characteristic of third person conjugations

eternal python
nova talon
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yea it's never t for first person haha

balmy bough
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Basically, you can get by with this pattern:
-s = sing. second
-t/-ø = third in general though it always ends with T for the plural
-ons = pl. first
-ez = pl. second

nova talon
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what is ø

eternal python
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Nothing

fathom pond
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Nothing

balmy bough
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It's only the first that's a bit random because they can either have no ending like « je parle » or have second person endings (je finis)

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je parle, je finis, je rends, je prends, j'écris, je conduis, j'atteins

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…okay maybe -s is a first person ending except for first group conjugations (-er)

eternal python
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First group: -e
Second group: -is
Third group: -s/x

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je veux, je peux

nova talon
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on another note aside from the -er and -ir i would advise anyone not to try and memorize the rules

balmy bough
nova talon
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learn each verb by itself for the 3rd group a

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and eventually it gets obvious because they're all kind of patterned off each other

balmy bough
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Third group conjugations do have patterns it's just that there's a tonne of them

eternal python
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And there are exceptions

balmy bough
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For first and second groups, the standard conjugation is so common that you can memorise them and have it apply to 99% of all verbs in those categories

eternal python
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Like the derivatives of dire

balmy bough
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For the third, there's just too many subgroups

eternal python
balmy bough
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and subgroups within subgroups like what Tiyan said with « dire » since some plural second person conjugations end up like dire (vous dites, vous redites) and some regularised it (vous médisez, vous prédisez, vous contredisez)

balmy bough
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partir, sortir, dormir, couvrir, offrir, cueillir, etc don't

nova talon
eternal python
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je hais
nous haïssons

nova talon
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HAHAHAHAHA

balmy bough
eternal python
nova talon
eternal python
balmy bough
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There's a stem change in the plural present which infects the rest of the tenses

balmy bough
# eternal python They are in the third group

Sorta, it depends which authority you follow. Traditional French grammarians have divided it into three conjugation groups: first (-er), second (-ir), third (everything else); Learner material instead divided it into four conjugation groups: first (-er), second (-ir), third (-re, rendre pattern) + irregulars

eternal python
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je hais = je e
nous haïssons = nu a.i.son

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This doesn't happen to any other 2nd group verb

balmy bough
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yes it does

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je finis
nous finissons

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j'abasourdis
nous abasourdissons

eternal python
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I wasn't referring to the -ss-

balmy bough
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je fleuris
nous fleurissons

eternal python
balmy bough
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The verb is « haïr »

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you have to keep that tréma when the stem changes

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that's not an exception, just how the verb functions

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What, are you going to say that every -cer and -ger verb is an exception because their plural first conjugation ends in -eons/-çons instead of -ons?

eternal python
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That's but a spelling convention

balmy bough
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Fair enough but that doesn't warrant enough of a charge to consider it 'irregular' or an 'exception'