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[novel cape]

whatever de is called after conseille

[tawdry ridge]

Is there like a test or something, I feel like I've answered this question multiple times this week
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[royal summit]

My bad, you're right that 'de' is a preposition here. As Bertie mentioned though, it belongs to the verb before it.

[novel cape]

so i just have to remember it

[tawdry ridge]

yeah

[royal summit]

This preposition is required before verbs or nouns.

[tawdry ridge]

some verbs also take multiple prepositions which mean different things

[royal summit]

Example with and without the preposition (because I move the noun/infinitive proceeding it):

Je vous conseille de ne pas le faire.
Je vous le conseille, ne le faites pas !

[tawdry ridge]

The example that comes to mind is « décider »
(1) décider qqn à faire qqch = persuade/convince someone to do something
(2) décider de faire qqch = decide/make a decision to do something

Je l'ai décidé à partir (I've convinced him to leave)
J'ai décidé de partir (I've decided to leave)

[novel cape]

i wish one preposition meant the same thing. for all to it was à

from was de

[tawdry ridge]

Unfortunately reality is shit

English is the same way

'I do care about him since I stopped him from fighting for his ego last night.'
A bit convoluted, but there's no reason why I couldn't say, 'I do to care about him since I stopped him to fight to his ego last night'

Other times, the difference is also carried due to explicit differences. In French, the verb « penser » takes two different prepositions, à and de. The difference is that à is used just for thinking about something whereas de is used for opinions.
« Tu penses toujours à Élise ? (You're still thinking about Elise?) »
« Tu penses quoi de mes neuves chaussures ? (What do you think about my brand-new shoes?) »
Both sentences are translated in English using the same preposition, 'about', in spite of there being a meaning change.

[vocal garden]

Incidentally, English is MUCH worse than French for this. Many English verbs can take 4+ prepositions that change the meaning wildly
burn up, burn out, burn through, burn off
turn out, turn in, turn up, turn on
cut up, cut down, cut through, cut in

[tawdry ridge]

Whatever your opinions may be, it's going to depend on your native language. 'to depend' uses 'on' in English but its equivalent « dépendre » takes « de ». Why? 🤷

[novel cape]

i never noticed that

[vocal garden]

natives typically don't

[royal summit]

Burn down, burn in, ...

[vocal garden]

I have a list of over 200 that I give to my students…

[royal summit]

[royal summit]

My last English teacher (mandatory subject at trade school) talked about the importance of prepositions before saying

The office is under fire.

Wildly different meaning there.

[vocal garden]

I mean, it's correct, depending on what they meant lol