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lament dawn
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Parce que tu fonds et cuis quelque chose ?

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Je fonds un bloc d'aluminium

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Je cuis de la viande

warm comet
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non, they aren't transitif

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you must say "je fais fondre un block d'aluminium"

lament dawn
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Bon, en fait pour les verbes en général il y a pas de raison pour laquelle ils sont pronominaux ou non, c'est juste ça

gloomy oracle
lament dawn
warm comet
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no

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transitif is when you go verb-object

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cod or coi those are transitif

gloomy oracle
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traditionally the verbs cuire and fondre need to be used with "faire"

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but in spoken/informal French it's totally common not to

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maybe not with fondre as I think about it

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but with cuire, absolutely

warm comet
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my deal is

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isn't fondre reflectif?

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like je fonds i melt

lament dawn
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No

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well it can be

warm comet
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i dont need an object for that and that is how reflectif is described

lament dawn
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but the meaning is different

warm comet
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action affects subject

gloomy oracle
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grammatically, no, semanticly yes to some extent

lament dawn
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But that's not how reflexive verbs work, not all actions done on the subject are reflexive

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Je marche au marché, I'm doing something to my body yet it's not reflexive

warm comet
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well there is an object so it is not yes

lament dawn
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Je me suis cassé le bras
Something happened that caused my arm to break, I didn't break it, yet it's reflexive

warm comet
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no object, action by hand that effects the self

warm comet
lament dawn
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So you think « je pars » should be reflexive?

warm comet
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oui

lament dawn
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Take it up to Monsieur Français on that one

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What determines whether a verb is reflexive or not is mostly random. Sometimes there's a clear logic (réveiller qqn / se réveiller) but often times no

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Why is « se souvenir » reflexive but « partir » isn't?

warm comet
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same logic as the phrases "poser un lapin" and "sur le pouce" they are tradition yeah

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so memorization is the surefire way to get these done