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[maiden wraith]

Okay, first off, a primer of relative pronouns. Relative pronouns are pronouns that act in relation to something else so that you don't have to repeat things. Take these two clauses – a clause is the smallest unit of a language comprising of a subject and a verb :
(1) The man is my professor.
(2) You're talking to the man.
Let's say we wanted to combine clauses (2) into (1). We can see that there's a shared noun here: 'the man'. Since we're adding (2) to (1), (1) is our main clause and (2) is our subordinate. What we do is adapt the subordinate to the main clause. Let's look again: We see that the shared noun is an object in (2), and a subject in (1) so we put 'who'.
'The man who you're talking to is my professor.'

[hard garden]

got it

[maiden wraith]

Alright, in English the difference in pronoun choice comes down to animateness, whether it's a living being or not (that/who). There's also 'whose' which denotes possession or trait but that's the key. So it doesn't matter if it's an object or subject in the subordinate.

[hard garden]

tho pretty sure it would be whom, or would it be who in french?

[maiden wraith]

We're getting a bit ahead here

[hard garden]

okok

hm, got it

[maiden wraith]

Say I changed number (2) to:
(1) The man is my professor.
(2) The man is walking.
The pronoun I'll use will still be 'who' because English doesn't care for subject/object: 'The man who is walking is my professor'.

It's only when I change the shared noun that the pronoun changes:
(1) The car belongs to me.
(2) You're looking at the car.
(3) The car is red.

(1) and (2): The car that you're looking at belongs to me.
(1) and (3) The car that is red belongs to me.

[hard garden]

got it

[maiden wraith]

With that out of the way, we can turn to French. Instead of focusing on whether the shared noun is living or not, French does it by way of subject/object.

In French, there are four relative pronouns: que/qui/dont/à + prep.
Let's go back to our earlier example, in French this time with a bit of a change.
(1) L'homme est mon professeur.
(2) Tu vois l'homme.
Here, our consideration is that the shared noun, « l'homme », is an object in (2), which means you use the object relative pronoun: « L'homme que tu vois est mon professeur. »

[hard garden]

got it, vois is to see right?

[maiden wraith]

This time, it doesn't matter if I change the noun to a non-living thing because what matters is the function of the relative pronoun.
(1) La voiture m'appartient.
(2) Tu vois la voiture.
=> La voiture que tu vois m'appartient.

[maiden wraith]

yup

[hard garden]

ok, I'm with you till far

[maiden wraith]

Alright, let's say I replace it so that we have this:
(1) L'homme est mon professeur
(2) L'homme marche
We see that the shared noun is a subject this time, right? Therefore we use « qui », the subject relative pronoun.
« L'homme qui marche est mon professeur. »

With me so far?

[hard garden]

whts marche

[maiden wraith]

walk

marcher = to walk

il marche = he walks/he is walking

[hard garden]

ye, I got it

[maiden wraith]

Okay, a bit of practice before we move on.
(1) Le portable appartient à Jean.
(2) Marc tient le portable.
(3) Le portable est bleu.

Combine (1) and (2), and (1) and (3) using que/qui.

[hard garden]

oki, gimme a sec then

ahem.. what is portable, tient and appartient

oh wait, last one is belongs

what abt the other 2

[maiden wraith]

le portable = The phone
(il) tient = he is holding/he holds (tenir is the verb)
(il) appartient [à quelqu'un] = he/it belongs [to someone] (appartenir is the verb)

[hard garden]

Marc tient le portable que appartient a Jean

1st one i think

[maiden wraith]

Try again, the main clause is (1)

Not (2)

[hard garden]

oh

[maiden wraith]

(1) = main clause
(2) and (3) = subordinate clause

[hard garden]

Le portable appartient a Jeans que Marc tient?

that seems weird

[maiden wraith]

Okay let's go back up top

[hard garden]

ok..

[maiden wraith]

Notice the positioning here of (2)

[hard garden]

Ohh, got it

[maiden wraith]

La voiture que tu vois m'appartient.

(1) main clause
__ (2) subordinate clause__

[hard garden]

Le portable que Marc tient appartient a Jean?

this seems better

[maiden wraith]

Wonderful

[hard garden]

Yippee

[maiden wraith]

Okay, try the second one

[hard garden]

ok 2nd one

[hard garden]

Le portable qu'est bleu appartient a Jean?

[maiden wraith]

Good BUT qui NEVER elides

that's the key

[hard garden]

yk cus que + est

[maiden wraith]

It's not que

[hard garden]

.

wait

why not?

OH GOT IT

cus it's referring to the subject?

[maiden wraith]

Look at (3). The shared noun, « le portable », is it a SUBJECT or an OBJECT?

[hard garden]

subject~?

[maiden wraith]

Therefore you should use?

[hard garden]

qui

[maiden wraith]

exactly

[hard garden]

ok

so if it was que+ est, IF, then it would go qu'est rght?

[maiden wraith]

The part you missed out on is that « qui » never elides so if you see « qu'est » it's always « que + est » and never « qui est »

[hard garden]

Oki

[maiden wraith]

Let's try again

[hard garden]

Hope I'm not wasting much of your time tho

[maiden wraith]

(1) La porte est rouge.
(2) La porte est faite en bois.
(3) Tu fermes la porte.

Combine (1) and (3) [meaning that (1) is main clause, (3) is subordinate], and (3) and (2) [(3) is main, (2) is subordinate]

[maiden wraith]

You're not, don't worry

[hard garden]

porte and fermes?..

[maiden wraith]

la porte = the door
tu fermes = you close (fermer)
fait en bois = made of wood

[hard garden]

La porte qui est fait en bois est rouge

[maiden wraith]

faite* because « la porte » is feminine
You're right but that's (1) and (2)

[hard garden]

fait en bois for me is make in drink

[maiden wraith]

I asked you for (1) and (3), and (3) and (2)

[hard garden]

Oh

shoot

[maiden wraith]

drink is une boisson
bois = wood/forest

[hard garden]

i thought fait was to make

faire

[maiden wraith]

You're getting the hang of it though

[hard garden]

or to do

and drink is boire

[maiden wraith]

Yeah

« en bois » is wooden

[hard garden]

another thing, I often notice en before things, isn't it in?

[maiden wraith]

La porte est faite en bois
The door is made (of) wood

[hard garden]

Ohh

[maiden wraith]

It can be but prepositions are another matter

[hard garden]

oki, will check it out later

[maiden wraith]

We're about to tackle those later but first the previous things

[hard garden]

La porte qui tu fermes est rouge

?

[maiden wraith]

Look again

What is « la porte » in the subordinate clause, is it a SUBJECT or an OBJECT?

[hard garden]

La porte qui tu fermes est faite en bois

[hard garden]

object

so que?

[maiden wraith]

Yup

So what should you have written?

[hard garden]

La porte que tu fermes est rouge

[maiden wraith]

wonderful

[hard garden]

this?

[maiden wraith]

(3) and (2), try again

[hard garden]

ok

[maiden wraith]

The base structure is the MAIN CLAUSE

[hard garden]

Tu fermes la porte qu'est faite en bois

you closed the door that is made of wood?

[maiden wraith]

close, not closed

that's past

[hard garden]

Oh right

close

[maiden wraith]

Again, « qui » doesn't elide/contract

[hard garden]

Also why faite?

[maiden wraith]

Tu fermes la porte QUI est faite en bois.

[maiden wraith]

Because it's an adjective and adjectives agree with the noun they are modifying.

[hard garden]

Oh shoot, right

[hard garden]

but isnt it a verb

fait

faire

[maiden wraith]

Here it's a past participle which is used as an adjective

It works the same way in English too

[hard garden]

it can be used as an adjective?..

[maiden wraith]

'I have made a car'
'A car that is made by me'

[hard garden]

oh

[maiden wraith]

made is a participle in the first, an adjective in the second

[hard garden]

hm ok

[maiden wraith]

I have written a letter
A letter written

[hard garden]

got it, so participles agree with gender and number?

[maiden wraith]

When they're used in adjectives, yes

there's also another case but that's complicated and later

[hard garden]

oki

[hard garden]

Yea, let's omit that topic rn

oki, so que and qui is done

[maiden wraith]

Let's try it one last time just to hammer it in:
(1) Les chaussures sont bleues.
(2) Les chaussures sont chères.
(3) J'achète les chaussures.

Combine (3) and (2), and (1) and (3)

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

Remember, look at the subordinate clause, see if the shared noun is a subject or object, and choose qui/que accordingly

Qui doesn't contract, only que does

[hard garden]

J'achete les chaussures qui sont bleues

non wait

cus its object so que

ok now

[maiden wraith]

Oh you were right

[hard garden]

?

[maiden wraith]

Look again

It wasn't an object

[hard garden]

oh, subject

[maiden wraith]

there we go

[hard garden]

cheres is what?

[maiden wraith]

In general, subjects precede (placed before) the verb whereas objects succede (placed after) it

[maiden wraith]

cher = expensive

chaussure = shoe

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

j'achète = I buy (acheter)

[hard garden]

Les chaussures que j'achete sont cheres

[maiden wraith]

Wonderful!

[hard garden]

also wait

can it be J'achete les chaussures qui sont cheres?

[maiden wraith]

Okay, notice that the positioning of the relative/subordinate clause is right after the object it replaces

[hard garden]

can it also* be it?

yea

[maiden wraith]

Yup, that would be making (3) the main clause with (2) as the subordinate clause

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

That's why the « que » ones are at the start, and the « qui » ones are at the end

For example, if I combined these two:
(1) J'achète les chaussures
(2) Marc aime les chaussures
It will be, « J'achète les chaussures que Marc aime »

Why?

Why is the subordinate clause at the end and not in the middle?

[hard garden]

because the shoes are object now, CUS THOSE are what he likes

[hard garden]

huh

wait what-

[maiden wraith]

If I were to say, « J'achète que Marc aime les chaussures », would that be wrong?

[hard garden]

Yea, feels wrong, cus I bought that marc likes the shoes

[maiden wraith]

The point here is that the pronoun sticks to the noun it replaces

[hard garden]

oki

[hard garden]

also would it be qui here?

it feels like subject here

[maiden wraith]

With « les chaussures sont bleues », the object « les chaussures » is a subject at the start so the clause is there:
« Les chaussures que j'achète sont bleues »

[hard garden]

hm, makes sense

[maiden wraith]

With the earlier example, the object « les chaussures » is an object so the clause is at the end:
« J'achète les chaussures que Marc aime »

[maiden wraith]

Why would it be?

[hard garden]

oh nvm

its object

[maiden wraith]

« Marc aime les chaussures »
The one doing the loving is Marc, not the shoes

[hard garden]

right- xD

[maiden wraith]

The subject is what is doing the verb, the object is what the verb is being done to

Okay, are we good or do you need another set?

[hard garden]

nope, we're good

[maiden wraith]

Alright so what we've gone through are only for direct objects. « que » is a direct object pronoun.

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

The difference between a direct and indirect object is just that there's a preposition between the verb and object.

[hard garden]

to me, to him would be indirect ones

right?

[maiden wraith]

I hear Mark / J'entends Mark => Mark is direct because there's nothing between the verb and the object.
I speak to Mark / Je parle à Mark => Mark is indirect because there's the preposition « à » between the verb and object.

[hard garden]

got it.

[maiden wraith]

In French, the indirect object and the preposition are considered a unit, you cannot separate them

[hard garden]

wait

[maiden wraith]

In English, you can separate them

[hard garden]

why would it be que here-

Oh shoot

nvm

cus its object

done

continue sil vous plait-

[maiden wraith]

Let's look all the way back to the first example in English:
(1) The man is my professor.
(2) You're talking to the man.
The sentence we made is, 'The man who you're talking to is my professor', right?

[hard garden]

yea

[maiden wraith]

Notice that we split the preposition and the object:
'The man who you're talking to is my professor'

In French this is FORBIDDEN

[hard garden]

yea

[maiden wraith]

If you move the relative pronoun, the preposition has to move with it

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

A more French-like sentence would be:
'The man to whom you're speaking is my professor.'

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

Let's look at that in French:
(1) L'homme est mon professeur.
(2) Tu parles à l'homme.
« L'homme que tu parles à est mon professeur »

THIS IS FORBIDDEN because the preposition « à » cannot be separated from the indirect object.

[hard garden]

so L'homme a qui tu es parle est ma proffeseur~, that's definitely wrong but thought I'd put it

[maiden wraith]

You're absolutely right

[hard garden]

;O

[maiden wraith]

Well the relative pronoun bit

[hard garden]

it's que?

[maiden wraith]

« L'homme à qui tu parles est mon professeur »

[hard garden]

o

right cus it's masculine

[maiden wraith]

You got it accidentally but let's go back a bit

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

The rule for indirect object pronouns is « preposition + lequel ». « lequel » agrees with the noun it changes.

In the subordinate clause, the noun we're replacing is masculine singular, so we use « lequel ».

[hard garden]

lequel
laquelle
lesquels
lesquelles?

[maiden wraith]

yup

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

So let's look at those two sentences again

(1) L'homme est mon professeur.
(2) Tu parles à l'homme.

Let's analyse the subordinate clause's indirect object: « à l'homme ».
What is the gender and number of the object?

[hard garden]

One and masculine

[maiden wraith]

So you should use?

[hard garden]

lequel?

[maiden wraith]

Yup

[hard garden]

a lequel

[maiden wraith]

Now, the « le » in « lequel » is the definite article « le » so when it meets « à » it becomes « auquel »

It's like « à + le professeur » becomes « au professeur »

[hard garden]

yep got it

[maiden wraith]

Okay what happens if « à » meets « lesquelles » ?

[hard garden]

aux

auxquelles?

[maiden wraith]

Wonderful!

[hard garden]

oui~

[maiden wraith]

So that sentence would be:
« L'homme auquel tu parles est mon professeur »

With me so far?

[hard garden]

oui

[maiden wraith]

This applies to every preposition BUT DE which we'll cover in a bit

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

Let's put this into practice, shall we?

[hard garden]

d'accord

[maiden wraith]

(1) Le siège est sale.
(2) Je m'assois sur le siège.

Combine (1) and (2), (2) being the subordinate.
le siège = the seat
sale = dirty
je m'assois = I'm sitting down (verb is « s'asseoir »)

[hard garden]

siege?

[maiden wraith]

I wrote it already

[hard garden]

o

ok wait

ok wait this is confusing, gimem a sec

no idea-

using auquel probably

[maiden wraith]

Nope, look at the preposition

it's sur

[hard garden]

So, the seat is dirty, and I'm sitting on the seat

[maiden wraith]

Alright, maybe I should just limit this to « à »

[hard garden]

the seat I'm sitting on is dirty

still no idea

[maiden wraith]

But here's the working out:

1. Look at the subordinate clause (je m'assois sur le siège) and the main clause (le siège est sale)
2. Determine the number and gender of the indirect object of the subordinate clause (le siège, masculine singular, so « lequel »)
3. Move both the preposition (sur) and the pronoun (lequel) to the object it replaces (le siège)
   => Le siège sur lequel je m'assois est sale.

[hard garden]

lequel is also "which"?

[maiden wraith]

The explanation about « à » is simply because the sentences I gave involves « à ». I'm just trying to show you that it works with prepositions in general.

[maiden wraith]

Yeah but that's another topic

[hard garden]

Oki, the seat on that I am sitting is dirty

got it

[maiden wraith]

The literal translation would be:
Le siège sur lequel je m'assois est sale.
The seat on which I sit is dirty.

[hard garden]

oki.. so it can be which

or that

ofc it can , e

ok wait, give another on

[maiden wraith]

The thing is that the criteria English uses is different from what French uses

so a word-for-word translation doesn't always work

[hard garden]

c'est si deficile D;

[maiden wraith]

dw you got through que/qui

[hard garden]

Mon examen.. nvm can't speak in french, My exam got the whole topic for this

AND A WHOLE LOT OTHER-

im gonna die

[maiden wraith]

(1) Je me bats pour la république.
(2) La république est morte.

Combine (2) and (1); (2) is the main clause, (1) is the subordinate clause.

je me bats pour quelque chose = I fight for something (se battre pour quelque chose = to fight for something)
la république = the republic
morte = dead

[hard garden]

speaking exam is in 8 days :((, im 2% done avec le syllabus~

[hard garden]

La republique pour laquelle je me bats est morte

[maiden wraith]

YES YOU FUCKING GOT IT

[hard garden]

YAYYYYYYYYY

[maiden wraith]

Okay another one

[hard garden]

what is quelque chose -.-

[maiden wraith]

something

[hard garden]

chose as in choose

prob no

oki

[maiden wraith]

choose would be choisir

verb

anyway

[hard garden]

right

[maiden wraith]

(1) Les femmes sont mes voisines.
(2) Tu parles aux femmes.
Combine (1) and (2).

voisine = female neighbour (voisin is the male version)

[hard garden]

Les femmes auxquelles tu parles sont mes voisines

[maiden wraith]

Close, look at the number

[hard garden]

omg wait

yea just realised

[maiden wraith]

You're killing it

[hard garden]

bad or good?

[maiden wraith]

very good

[hard garden]

ok nvm, wait

in the prev example

you gave je me bats

[maiden wraith]

Yes

[hard garden]

so wouldn't that be me fighting?

[maiden wraith]

Some verbs in French are pronominal meaning that their objects are their subjects. For some, they are essentially pronominal. « battre » is only pronominal.

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

It's like the verb « s'appeler »

[hard garden]

so like when you yourself are doing it

the action on u

[maiden wraith]

Je m'appelle Bertie. « appeler » is to call so your instincts would say, 'I call myself Bertie' but it's idiomatically understood and translated as 'My name is Bertie'.

[hard garden]

so.. Im fightng myself?-

yea

[maiden wraith]

It really depends on the verb

[hard garden]

oki, will study on it later

[maiden wraith]

Anyway

You good on « preposition + lequel »?

[hard garden]

oui, also, lequel per se doesn't get used right?

[maiden wraith]

What do you mean?

[hard garden]

like lequel in of itself doesn't get used, it always needs a preposition right?

[maiden wraith]

In the context of relative pronouns, yes

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

Outside of that, no

[hard garden]

lequel is also which one right?

[maiden wraith]

Because lequel can also be used for a specific thing

[hard garden]

i saw that on a youtube vid

[maiden wraith]

« Je vois beaucoup de voitures. Laquelle veux-tu ? »
'I see a lot of cars. Which (one) do you want?'

laquelle because it refers to « voiture » which is feminine

[hard garden]

yea, got it

ok which is the next one

[maiden wraith]

« dont »

Okay, I previously said that this pattern works for all indirect objects except for « de »

« de » is a special case

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

In other prepositions, you only change the object and move both the preposition and pronoun to the noun it replaces, right?

[hard garden]

ye

[maiden wraith]

With « de + object », you replace both with « dont » so it's like a hybrid between the direct and indirect object pronouns

[hard garden]

hm ok

\

e

got it

[maiden wraith]

For example

Say I have these two clauses:
(1) Les femmes sont mes voisines.
(2) Tu parles des femmes.
If we were to follow the previous pattern, what would you have expected when combining (1) and (2)?

[hard garden]

Les femmes auxquelles tu parles sont mes voisines

[maiden wraith]

Remember that the « le » in « lequel » is an article so it elides with « de »

[maiden wraith]

Look again at the preposition

it's not « à » this time

[hard garden]

oh

so would be desquelles

[maiden wraith]

Okay

[hard garden]

tho that doesn't exist

[maiden wraith]

what would be the full sentence?

no no, just indulge me

[hard garden]

Les femmes des lequelles /desquelles tu parles sont mes voisines

[maiden wraith]

desquelles because de + les = des

[hard garden]

yes

[maiden wraith]

Okay, but that's not what we see, instead what we see is:
« Les femmes dont tu parles sont mes voisines. »

[hard garden]

:O

[maiden wraith]

The fucky thing here is that both the preposition « de » and the pronoun « lesquelles » get replaced by a simple « dont »

and this does not change

[hard garden]

lmfao

oki

[maiden wraith]

Le professeur est en colère + je parle du professeur
=> Le professeur dont je parle est en colère.

[hard garden]

en colere?

[maiden wraith]

angry

[hard garden]

why add en D;, ok nvm another topic

still need to do expressions

[maiden wraith]

Let's play with this!
(1) Je me souviens de la fille.
(2) La fille est belle.

Combine (2) and (1).

[hard garden]

belle is sweet, right? and souviens is idk

[maiden wraith]

belle = beautiful
sweet would be « doux/douce »

[hard garden]

beau is beautiful for masculine

[maiden wraith]

je me souviens = I remember (se souvenir de quelque chose = to remember something)

[hard garden]

oui?

[maiden wraith]

Yes

or handsome if you prefer that

[hard garden]

oki

[hard garden]

Je me souviens dont fille est belle?

[maiden wraith]

Which one is the main clause and which is the subordinate? Don't flip them.

[hard garden]

oh right

no idea what to do with 2nd as its main clause

[maiden wraith]

Remember, « que/dont/preposition + lequel » is only for objects. Your example would mean that the replaced noun in the subordinate is a SUBJECT.

[maiden wraith]

You already did this

It's the same principle

[hard garden]

the girl I remember is beautiful?

like

[maiden wraith]

yes

[hard garden]

is that how you're supposed to say it

Oh got it

[maiden wraith]

Well, 'The girl of whom I remember is beautiful' would be the literal translation

[hard garden]

La fille dont je souviens est belle

[maiden wraith]

je me souviens BUT YES YOU GOT IT

[hard garden]

right

imma do reflexive pronouns after this smh

[maiden wraith]

Okay, something I've noticed is that you keep missing the structure

The main clause is the backbone, you don't do anything to it

The only thing you change is the subordinate

You keep changing the main clause

I would recommend these steps then

[hard garden]

hmm ok

[maiden wraith]

(1) Determine the main clause.
(2) Put it on the paper, don't do anything to it.
(3) Find the common noun between the main and subordinate clauses.
(4) Determine whether it's a subject or object in the subordinate clause.

=> If subject, replace with qui.
=> If direct object, replace with que.
=> If indirect object that is NOT « de »: replace with the preposition + lequel (change according to object of the subordinate)
=> If indirect object that is « de »: replace both the preposition and object with dont

[hard garden]

oki

[maiden wraith]

The only thing you're replacing is the SUBORDINATE, you do not do anything with the MAIN CLAUSE.

[hard garden]

okay.

I think that's it right?

[maiden wraith]

You only do two things with the main clause:
(1) Find the common noun between the two
(2) Where that common noun is located to place the subordinate

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Training time

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wait

ou

is where

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Yes

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that is a relative pronoun also?..

this is where I live

[maiden wraith]

Yes, functions like « que »

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C'est ou j'habille?

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C'est où j'habite ?

Works.

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oki

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same thing applies to the others

it's all like « que »

Anyway

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oki

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1. La femme est ma copine.
2. Tu penses à la femme.
3. Je parle de la femme.
4. Tu vois la femme.

Make me five sentences:
(a) 3) main clause + 1) subordinate clause.
(b) 1) main clause + 4) subordinate clause.
(c) 1) main clause + 2) subordinate clause.
(d) 4) main clause + 3) subordinate clause.
(e) 2) main clause + 1) subordinate clause.

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oi

oki

copine is?.

[maiden wraith]

girlfriend

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oki

La femme dont je parle est ma copine

[maiden wraith]

LOOK AT THE MAIN CLAUSE

THAT IS NOT THE MAIN CLAUSE

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frck ok

ok wait-

[maiden wraith]

please read carefully

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hmm

Wait so english trans is the girl I'm takling to is my girlfriend?

La femmme dont je parle est ma copine?..

[maiden wraith]

Again, look at the main clause.

What is the main clause?

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Je parle de la femme?

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Good.

Don't do anything with that.

What is the subordinate clause?

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La femme est ma copine

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Good.

What is the shared noun?

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femme

La femme auquelle je parle est ma copine?..

[maiden wraith]

Okay, what is the function of « la femme » in the subordinate clause?

Is it a subject, direct object, indirect object?

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direct

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That is not the main clause.

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Are you sure?

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to whom, so wait

indirect

de, so u use dont

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« La femme est ma copine ».
Where is « la femme », before or after the verb?

Again, don't look at the main clause, look at the SUBORDINATE

What is the function of the shared noun IN THE SUBORDINATE CLAUSE?

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there is no verb in the sub clause-

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« est »?

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oh

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être?

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before

shoot

subject

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Therefore it is?

Good, so what should you put?

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qui?..

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Good

Put that subordinate clause after the shared noun in the main clause.

Where is the shared noun in the MAIN CLAUSE?

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femme?

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Mmhm, where is it?

At the start, middle, or end?

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start?

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Try again

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end-

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« Je parle de la femme »

Good

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oh right

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put that subordinate clause after

What would you get?

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Je parle de la femme qui est ma copine

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Wonderful!

Now do the rest

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oki-, tho what was wrong in the first one i gave?..

[maiden wraith]

You're combining (1) and (3) :
La femme est ma copine + Je parle de la femme

You reversed it

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oh oki

[maiden wraith]

That's why I told you to read more carefully

[maiden wraith]

Complete the rest.

READ CAREFULLY

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La femme est ma copine que tu vois?

seems incorrect-o

[maiden wraith]

Where is the shared noun in the main clause?

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o

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Put the subordinate clause NEXT to that shared noun.

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La femme que tu vois est ma copine

que*

ok, got an incoming big speech ;(

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Le professeur est en colère + je parle du professeur.
=> Le professeur dont je parle est en colère.
=> The shared noun (le professeur) is at the start so I put the subordinate after that.

Je vois le professeur + je parle du professeur.
=> Je vois le professeur dont je parle.
=> The shared noun (le professeur) is at the end so I put the subordinate after that.

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Correct, continue.

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o ok

3. La femme a laquelle tu penses est ma copine

no

hm, seems correct now

[maiden wraith]

Correct. Continue

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4)La femme je parle dont tu vois

erm

this seems so wrong

[maiden wraith]

Read again.

Which one is the main clause?

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4th

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So that's not the right main clause.

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Because here it starts with « la femme »

The 4th clause is « tu vois »

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La femme tu vois dont je parle?

this seems so wrong

[maiden wraith]

.

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What is the main clause?

Type it.

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Tu vois la femme

and Je parle de la femme---> sub-ordinate

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What is the shared object?

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La femme

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What function does « la femme » have in the subordinate?

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You see the female, I am talking of the female

So I am talking of the female you see

so

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Subject, direct object, or indirect object?

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Indirect object

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What preposition does it have?

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de

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Therefore it should be?

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so dont?

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Okay

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Je parle dont la femme tu vois?

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Where is the location of the shared noun in the MAIN CLAUSE?

[maiden wraith]

no

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end

both end

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So put the subordinate clause there

remember subordinate is AFTER the shared noun in the main

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Yea..

So

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You keep changing the main clause, please read carefully

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Tu vois la femme dont je parle?

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THERE WE GO

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WHAT

OUIIIII

ok next one

La femme qui tu penses est ma copine

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That is not the main clause

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no

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Look again

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no wait

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Look again

look again

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Tu penses a la femme que est ma copine

wait

yea

wait

no

no , ea

yea

got it

this

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no

« qui »

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bruh

but its the object

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« La femme est ma copine »
La femme is the OBJECT there?

Even though it's BEFORE the verb?

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right..

qui

but penses, that verb is being done ON her

thinking OF HER

thnking ABOUT-

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So? The relative pronoun works ON THE SUBORDINATE CLAUSE

THIS IS THE KEY

What you replace is the noun IN THE SUBORDINATE CLAUSE

SUBORDINATE SUBORDINATE SUBORDINATE

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got it

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You DO NOT replace anything in the MAIN CLAUSE

That is the entire point

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oki

[maiden wraith]

Because the main clause is the actual sentence

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Tu penses a la femme qui est ma copine

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yup

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cus its the subject

Ouiiii!

[maiden wraith]

You only need to bother the main clause in two occasions:
(1) Finding the shared noun
(2) Placing the subordinate

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Omg, Je n'aime pas francais

[maiden wraith]

It's the subordinate that moves, not the main clause

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so wait, here "La maison _________ nous avons acheté est très grande."

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It's quite literally similar to English, just the choice of pronoun changes

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La maison qui nous avons achete est tres grande

right?

[maiden wraith]

No.

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.

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There's already a subject there

« nous »

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so que

oh right

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yes

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ohhhh

que

[maiden wraith]

The one DOING = subject
The one BEING DONE TO = object

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OMG YASS

wait, so that's it right?

we're done?

[maiden wraith]

Yes

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omg 2 hours on this, tysmmmm

[maiden wraith]

though you need to train A FUCK TON

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Oui, je agree

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you really need to read carefully

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oki

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because your formation is all good

but the structure is lacking

you keep putting the wrong main clause and putting the subordinate clause in the wrong places

It's the same as English

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ill practice more , so I have now grown a big aversion for french

[maiden wraith]

Combine:
(1) The man is my professor.
(2) The professor is kind.

What is the main clause? The man is the professor.
What is the subordinate clause? The professor is kind.
What is the shared noun? The professor.
What is the function of the shared noun in the subordinate? Subject.
Where is the shared noun in the main clause? End.
=> The man is my professor who is kind.

Combine:
(1) The man is my professor.
(2) I speak of the man.

What is the main clause? The man is the professor.
What is the subordinate clause? I speak of the man.
What is the shared noun? The professor.
What is the function of the shared noun in the subordinate? Indirect object.
Where is the shared noun in the main clause? End.
=> The man is my professor of whom I speak.

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L'homme est mon proffeseur qui est sympa?

prob got it wrong

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Combine:
(1) The professor is kind.
(2) I speak to the professor.

What is the main clause? The professor is kind.
What is the subordinate clause? I speak to the professor.
What is the shared noun? The professor.
What is the function of the shared noun in the subordinate? Indirect object.
Where is the shared noun in the main clause? Start.
=> The professor to whome I speak is kind.

Literally the same structure.

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« L'homme est mon professeur qui est sympa. »
« L'homme est mon professeur dont je parle. »
« Le professeur auquel je parle est sympa. »

Same structure

Just read CAREFULLY

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hm oki

merci beaucoup pour ce lecon :D