french grammar

[dense sandal]

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[vast hearth]

For context:
I've been immersing in the french language and have read a few books but don't really know where to start grammar wise any advice?
My goal is to speak written french with natives

[dense sandal]

french grammar

[vast hearth]

So the question is:
If you were in my shoes, how would you structure learning grammar?

I know "les articles définis et les articles indéfinis"

And some prepositions

[noble trout]

did you understand these books?

if you can already read french, then you probably don't have to learn 90% of the grammar on a learning French discord

[vast hearth]

4 were beginner books, 1 was intermediate level

5 a1-a2 french books was my goal this year

3 easy french story books
Et si c'était vrai
Le bizarre incident du chien pendant la nuit

Read em all

Understanding has nothing on not being able to express my ideas

[lament island]

The thing is that we don't know what you're weak in, so we can't give any advice.

Grammar encompasses a tonne of categories. Are you lacking in determiners, pronouns? Grammatical gender? Tenses? Verb morphology? Prepositions? Overall syntax?

[wooden mulch]

unless they need to take a test and have to know how to perfectly say things. because sometimes we can understand written french but not know how to write the same exact thing properly

[noble trout]

like i said 90% of the grammar for beginners will be irrelevant if you can already read french

this is why french classes in france don't look the same as they do in the US

[lament island]

Not necessarily, it could be a production issue

It's one thing to read/hear and understand the imparfait in a sentence in a given context, it's another to write/say it

[wooden mulch]

^

[noble trout]

if you're comprehension is to the point of novels, then you should need zero instruction only practice in production for things like the imperfect

[lament island]

Story books aren't novels, they can be made simple in order to cater to learners, and I wouldn't say that production requires zero instruction. From personal experience, with reading and listening, you already have a set structure and context; all you needed to do was deconstruct it. With writing and speaking, you have to create that structure and context, and that's really easy to mess up

[noble trout]

i was responding to her when ember had just referenced "a few books", and so i asked for clarification for precisely this reason

having read a few picture books does not equal being able to read french which is what I was talking about

[lament island]

Fair which was why I asked about what kind of grammar because it's a rather large domain to start with

[noble trout]

as to structure and context, this is exactly why i'm saying french classes are different for native speakers

[vast hearth]

Tbh idk what half those are, but to start tenses is a good starting point

[wooden mulch]

Bertie Bear what do you suggest for people with production issues ?

[lament island]

Determiners: « ce/cela/ceci (this/that) | ce/cet/cette/ces (this/that [thing], these/that [things]) »
–> Je veux ceci, pas cela (I want this, not that); J'aime ce jouet (I like this/that toy)
Pronouns: « je, tu, il/elle, nous, vous, ils/elles (I, you [singular, informal], he/she/it, we, you [plural, formal], ils/elles [they])
–> Il veut une pomme (He wants an apple); Elle est ingénieuse (She's an engineer)
Gender: « le/la/les (the) »
–> Le siège est cassé (The seat is broken); la chaise est cassée (the chair is broken)
Tenses: « présent, imparfait, passé composé, etc »
–> Je veux une pomme (I want an apple); je voulais une pomme (I wanted an apple)
Verb morphology: person, number
–> Ils sont partis (they left, masculine plural); elle est partie (she left, feminine singular)
Prepositions: « à, de, sans, pour, avec, etc »
-> Je parlais d'elle (I was talking about her); Il va à la banque (He goes to the bank)
Syntax: overall structure
–> Après être sorti de la fête, j'ai décidé de dormir. (After having left the party, I decided to sleep)

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[lament island]

@vast hearth These might help plus the messages below

[lament island]

Depends on the issues. Production issues usually come down to either not having enough practice or not having enough foundation

If you stutter through the conditional, for example, are you stuttering because you've not practised conjugating the conditional or because you've not used it at all

[vast hearth]

Thanks, sorry for the vague question! This also helps since english is my main language I actually never learned what determiners, pronouns, tenses, verb morphology, prepositions were until I started learning french (didn't grew up in the us)