Le Chevalier Noir (corrigez pas)

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[opal maple]

It's totally correct since agreement now hinges on « ce » which is neutral

[livid gull]

the rule is correct, but the sentence is awkward

[opal maple]

It's just that the difference between « ce » and « il/elle » is going to factor in here

[livid gull]

like you can form sentences using that structure "le/la x, c'est y"
but in such a short sentence it's odd

la chemise est blanche

[magic oyster]

Bro, like 3 natives told me it was incorrect. Are you sure?

[opal maple]

If we're talking agreement, it totally is

but as Andy said, it's not natural

Usage of « c'est / ce sont » would be natural if the preceding clause is long because French does tend to do subject repetition

[magic oyster]

The only problem is it being a short sentence?

[opal maple]

« Le fait qu'il ne fallait avoir que deux choix dans un jeu qui en contenaient plusieurs, c'est ridicule. »

[magic oyster]

This one is obviously a dummy subject, just like "it" in English

[opal maple]

This happens a lot more in French though. If I said, 'The fact that you had to have only two choices in a game containing several is ridiculous', no one will bat an eye, but if I said, « Le fait qu'il ne fallait avoir que deux choix dans un jeu qui en contenaient plusieurs est ridicule », that would be a grammatical sentence but people would instead put « c'est » instead of « est »

[lean hull]

@OP Nobody would say it like that.

Dislocation with “c’est” is used in general statements or when referring to situations, not when referring to specific objects.

General:

• Une chemise, c’est classe.
• Les chemises, ça coûte souvent cher.

Specific:

• La chemise, elle est blanche
• Les chemises que tu as achetées, elles sont nazes

[magic oyster]

That's clear enough, thanks

[lean hull]

I’ll add translations

• une chemise, c’est classe: a shirt is a classy thing

• Les chemises, ça coûte souvent cher: shirts are often expensive

• la chemise, elle est blanche: the shirt is white

• Les chemises que tu as achetées, elle sont nazes: the shirts you bought are lame

[magic oyster]

I see. When you say ridicule, you're not referring to an object, you are referring to a concept.

[opal maple]

Exactly

[left stream]

I’ve always struggled with il/elle vs ce but i’m glad I knew the reason to use « elle » here

it’s a great feeling

[gentle saddle]

*Les chemises que tu as achetées, elles
Non ?

[opal maple]

yes

[gentle saddle]

Thanks.

[lean hull]

Oui, merci