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[molten berry]

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[lilac grail]

This is a reflexive verb, « s'entrainer ». Reflexive verbs feature the reflexive pronoun (se/s') which changes according to the subject.

[gentle falcon]

What does that have to do with the nous?

Why can’t I just say it once

[burnt patio]

The first nous is the subject pronoun meaning "we" or "us." It indicates who is performing the action (in this case, "we").
The second "nous" is a reflexive pronoun also meaning "ourselves" in this context. It indicates that the action of the verb "entraînons" is being performed by the subject on itself meaning "we train ourselves" or "we train together."

[lilac grail]

Because the subject is « nous ». A reflexive verb you've probably encountered is « s'appeler » :
« je m'appelle, tu t'appelles, il s'appelle, nous nous appelons, vous vous appelez, ils s'appellent »

[gentle falcon]

But in je m’apple they don’t go je je m’appelle

[lilac grail]

Because this is a reflexive verb and the reflexive pronoun is built in

[burnt patio]

Your sentence "où nous nous entraînons ensemble" translates to "where we train together," with the reflexive construction indicating that the training involves the subjects themselves

[gentle falcon]

Idk what a reflexive verb is

What does that mean

[stoic wing]

you do, je me

[lilac grail]

« me » is the object pronoun of « je », and the object pronoun of « nous » is… « nous »

[gentle falcon]

What’s an object pronoun

I’m just doing French for my exams we don’t study it this in-depth I just learn the vocabulary

[lilac grail]

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/pronominal-verbs/
Read this

[lilac grail]

The pronoun form of an object.
'I talk to Courtney –> I talk to her'

[gentle falcon]

Is je lève i get up and je me lève im getting up

[burnt patio]

I advise you to learn all these grammatical words because it’ll be way tougher to learn grammar without knowing what each of them are and why they exist

In our own native languages we don’t need them but when learning a 2nd language

[gentle falcon]

😭😭

[lilac grail]

The verb « lever » means 'to raise smth' so « je lève » is just 'I raise'. You raise what? Because you need an object, the reflexive is used if you're getting up: « se lever » means 'to get yourself up'

[gentle falcon]

It said on the website je me lever means im getting up

I mean lève

[lilac grail]

Je me lève –> I'm getting up (lit. I'm getting myself up)

[gentle falcon]

What’s je lève

Without the me

[lilac grail]

Je lève une chaise –> I lift a chair

[gentle falcon]

So je lève i lift je me lève Im getting up?

Where did the getting up come from

[lilac grail]

Yes, « je lève » is incomplete since there's no object

[lilac grail]

It's a figurative translation

[gentle falcon]

Oo

[lilac grail]

because you 'lift' yourself up

[gentle falcon]

If I said où nous entraînons

What would that mean

Without the second nous

[lilac grail]

« entrainer qqch » means 'to train smth' so it's incomplete

[gentle falcon]

So does it mean where we train still

What does it mean without the second nous

[lilac grail]

For example, « Le professeur entraine son élève (The professor trains/coaches his pupil) »

[gentle falcon]

Can you use my example

[lilac grail]

« C'est où nous entrainons nos élèves (It's where we train our pupils) »

« s'entrainer » would then be, 'to train oneself'

I'm using literal translations here which won't really work generally since this concept doesn't exist in English

[gentle falcon]

So is où nous nous entraînons = where we train
And où nous entraînons =??

[gentle falcon]

Ohh right

[lilac grail]

'Where we train…'

[gentle falcon]

Wait

So it means the same thing

[lilac grail]

as in training/coaching someone

no

[gentle falcon]

What’s the difference

That’s what I want to know

[lilac grail]

« nous nous entrainons » means you're training YOURSELF
« nous entrainons » means you're training SOMEONE ELSE

[gentle falcon]

Wait whatt i wanted to say où nous nous entraînons = where we train

Like together

I’m going over my flash cards about places I go after school

And the sentence was mais mon endroit préféré après l’école est le club de football où nous nous entraînons ensemble

[lilac grail]

When you say, 'we train', what are you doing? Are you training yourself (as in you're doing pressups) or are you training someone else (you tell them to do pressups)

[gentle falcon]

We train together

Doing football

[lilac grail]

If yourself –> s'entrainer (reflexive)
If someone else –> entrainer (requires an object)

[gentle falcon]

Is my sentence wrong

[lilac grail]

it's right

[gentle falcon]

Ok that’s fine then

[lilac grail]

you just don't understand the logic

[gentle falcon]

Yeah that’s fine I’ll learn after my exam 😭 ig

[lilac grail]

You should really learn grammar

[gentle falcon]

I just need the vocab

I’ve tried but I keep getting warnings from the moderators

[lilac grail]

otherwise you might say, « Je réveille » to mean 'I wake up' and get a 0 on your exam

[gentle falcon]

They think im doing homework but im revising

[gentle falcon]

What does that mean

Ugh I’m scared now

They keep sending me warnings for asking for grammar help here

[lilac grail]

réveiller qqn = to wake someone [else] up
se réveiller = to wake up

[gentle falcon]

Ohh

[burnt patio]

Why?

[gentle falcon]

Is se the object pronoun

[lilac grail]

Je réveille mon père –> I made my father wake up
Je me réveille –> I wake myself up (as in I got up after sleep)

[gentle falcon]

Since im like basically new im confused and ask the same thing in the same chat and they thing im like spamming or something

[lilac grail]

Yes and it changes according to the subject

[gentle falcon]

Then I told them im not they said they would ban me

[gentle falcon]

Ohh

Wait what’s the subjects like

[burnt patio]

Oh

[gentle falcon]

I’m training them

Or im training myself

Is that the subject

Like who

[gentle falcon]

😭😭

[burnt patio]

Just be patient, there are only two salle de classe channels, somebody will see your question

[gentle falcon]

Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing

Thanks for helping me Courtney I remmener from like last week or something

[burnt patio]

People like Bertie and some of the natives are super helpful too

[burnt patio]

You’re welcome

[lilac grail]

Yeah

English gets loose with grammar at times which is why you should really learn French grammar because relying on English will mess things up