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lyric heron
Because 'en' replaces an object introduced by 'de', not a verb.
jolly rock
Because 'en' replaces an object introduced by 'de', not a verb.
Is it because permettre has a double object construction?
lyric heron
Is it because permettre has a double object construction?
A slightly altered and longer example might help:
Ils ne nous ont pas permis d'avoir un soir de semaine pour sortir.
->
Ils ne nous ont pas permis d'en avoir un pour sortir.
Going out once a week is an action, not an object.
clever coral
Just to expand on Casca's point: The key here is about the indirect object. For verbs like « avoir besoin de qqch, s'habituer à qqch », these verbs require a preposition to start with, they're already indirect, so you can safely replace them with their adverbial counterparts.
« J'ai besoin d'une clé –> J'en ai besoin
Il s'habitue à ce que sa mere fait –> Il s'y habitue »
This apply to both objects and verbs since verbs are treated as an indirect object.
With « permettre » the verb to start with is direct : « Je le permets » and only receives a preposition when followed by an infinitive : « Je lui permets d'ouvrir la porte ». Because of that, you can't replace the object with an adverbial pronoun because the verb didn't start out indirect, it started out direct.
quaint monolith
Just to expand on Casca's point: The key here is about the indirect object. For ...
In "je le permets" can le refer to an action
Oh wait ig so
That was the whole question
And then with a person it would be "je lui le permets" rght ?
Wait yes like in the original phrase
Omg
I just started the day mb
clever coral
In "je le permets" can le refer to an action
Yes
clever coral
And then with a person it would be "je lui le permets" rght ?
Je le lui* permets
There's an order to it:
[subject] + [me/te/nous/vous] + [le/la/les] + [lui/leur] + y + en + [verb]
quaint monolith
There's an order to it:
[subject] + [me/te/nous/vous] + [le/la/les] + [lui/leur]...
A whole lawless french article in one sentence lmfao
This is a lot more convenient then their table
clever coral
The tricky bit is the first set, me/te/nous/vous since those can either be indirect or direct so it can mess you up
quaint monolith
clever coral
because with the third persons it's clearly direct > indirect so you can go like : « Je la lui ai donnée » and you'd be alright
quaint monolith
The fact that we have to change the place even though theyre the same pronoun
clever coral
but swap the indirect third with a first or second like « Il me l'a donnée » and you're confused whether it's « me la » or « la me »
for the most part just think of first/second being first in line, and then third gets its own category (direct/indirecT)
quaint monolith
Here it's il le m'a donnée ?
clever coral
Here it's il le m'a donnée ?
il me l'a donnée
quaint monolith
Bc i think donner à right
clever coral
the pronoun order never changes
quaint monolith
OH i thought that was what you tried to say
Mb
No but that's a lot better phew
clever coral
That's the key bit because I've seen some people learning about le/la/les > lui/leur (direct > indirect) and they think the same applies for the first and second person pronouns