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[gray loom]

Please be patient

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[flint venture]

pretty sure both are okay

[mellow grotto]

No, they must conjugate by adding ending to nous conjugated form

[flint venture]

ok, yeah just checked

[mellow grotto]

Like all verbs except for 10

[flint venture]

tbh, no one would bat an eye if you wrote "je tutoye"

buuuut even more so than that, it's very rare to write those verbs down

[mellow grotto]

Ok, i just wanted to see them in conjugation and saw that

Ty

[spare loom]

It's for pronunciation reasons
Tutoyer is pronounced like tutoiyer (with the "wa" sound)
This is the same with all -oyer verbs to my knowledge. To retain the "wa" sound as a word final, we have to use "oi", whether it's subjunctive or indicative

[mellow grotto]

oh

ty!

[spare loom]

Np! 👍

[placid cedar]

The -oie / -oye alternation applies in both the indicative and subjunctive, as the endings are completely identical in this case

Sayign they are based on the nous stem is imprecise. This doesn't account for stem reduction, and alternations like this one.

It's more accurate to say that, for all but the small handful of truly irregular verbs, subjunctive forms are based on the "ils/elles" present tense form, except for the nous.vous forms which are taken from the imperfect

[mellow grotto]

Hm whats the difference between ils/elles forming and nous forming? I see them both on some site without telling the difference

I used to use the nous one but i just found recevoir and its not recev its reçoiv

and its recev for vous nous

Im confused

[placid cedar]

recev is the "unstressed" stem (used when another vowel follows, like the -ons of nous or the -ez of vous), while reçoiv- is the "stressed" stem (used when no pronounced vowel follows)

recev is deductible from the nous form, while reçoiv is deductible from the ils/elles form

But if the verb doesn't featuer such a stressed/unstressed distinction, knowing the nous form is enough

[mellow grotto]

Oh

Ty

[mellow grotto]

Do u have any articles for that?

[placid cedar]

No, I'm not familiar with this kind of resources unfortunately

When it comes to learning how to form the subjunctive however, I think you have all the information you need at hand now

[mellow grotto]

Ok