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twin falconBOT Jul 14, 2024, 5:08 AM

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primal breach Jul 14, 2024, 5:15 AM

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Well that’s because those are different languages and French doesn’t transliterate from English

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Expressions change in different languages

exotic cradle Jul 14, 2024, 5:17 AM

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well even in English without any doubt is used by some people

radiant oxide Jul 14, 2024, 5:34 AM

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it's also worth noting that 'sans doute' is also an expression and has a different meaning than 'sans aucun doute'

neon carbon Jul 14, 2024, 5:35 AM

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would it be obvious or give it away you are american if you were to say "sans un doute"

neon carbon Jul 14, 2024, 5:35 AM

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primal breach Well that’s because those are different languages and French doesn’t translitera...

I get that, but it seems like such a simple phrase for it to somehow be different

radiant oxide Jul 14, 2024, 5:38 AM

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neon carbon would it be obvious or give it away you are american if you were to say "sans un...

I think it would just be potentially confusing what you're trying to say

neon carbon Jul 14, 2024, 5:39 AM

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hm

radiant oxide Jul 14, 2024, 5:39 AM

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your accent/general use of the language on the other hand will definitely give away that you are american 🙂 there's no getting around that

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which is okay as long as you're trying

neon carbon Jul 14, 2024, 5:39 AM

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😭 well I wasn't trying to make it about giving it away if i was american or not, but just lack of finding the right word to ask that sans un doute wouldnt work

radiant oxide Jul 14, 2024, 5:40 AM

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ah okay, yeah I think it would be awkward/unidiomatic to say that

neon carbon Jul 14, 2024, 5:40 AM

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got it

sharp blade Jul 14, 2024, 5:53 AM

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neon carbon would it be obvious or give it away you are american if you were to say "sans un...

just English speaker

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because 'without a doubt' is used in English in general, not just American English, so if anyone guessed you were American that'd be because of your accent

quartz fern Jul 14, 2024, 7:37 PM

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we can say « sans aucun doute », or just « sans doute ». also in we can say « no doubt » and « without doubt »

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they are all the same

primal breach Jul 15, 2024, 6:18 AM

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quartz fern we can say « sans aucun doute », or just « sans doute ». also in we can say « no...

really?

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I thought sans doute meant probably

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at least in france no idea about QC

quartz fern Jul 15, 2024, 6:20 AM

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ehh, yeah now that I think about it, in a weird way it does mean probably...

il sera déjà parti
sans doute

weird how that works

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also in English, "no doubt" actually means "probably"

exotic cradle Jul 15, 2024, 2:48 PM

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Huh? Does it tho?

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I'd say no doubt is more like "surely"

quartz fern Jul 15, 2024, 2:49 PM

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well, isn't it both?

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i mean the same argument could be made for french, that it also means surely.

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let me see if one of the dictionaries has a dfinitive answer

exotic cradle Jul 15, 2024, 2:50 PM

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WordRef

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Wiktionary

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maybe I am just interpreting "probably" differently than you

quartz fern Jul 15, 2024, 2:52 PM

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well, I mean, for example. if my friend says "the politicians are lying to us", I would answer "no doubt" to mean "probably" but maybe thats just me?

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to be honest i forgot what the original question was 😅

exotic cradle Jul 15, 2024, 2:53 PM

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Well the original question was about why the French construction differed from one specific Engliush construction xd

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