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random wharfBOT
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proven vessel
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Hello

toxic granite
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Can you be more specific?

proven vessel
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Ofc

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I have a French final tmmrw

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And I’m not ready for it

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Luckily I have a practice test

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(The teacher won’t test where I put the X)

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But I’m mostly struggling on the imperatif part

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And passé compose

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Hello?

toxic granite
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I'm still here.

proven vessel
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yayyy

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Can you please help

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Finals is worth 20% of final grade

vestal crescent
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What do you want here?

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Do you want us to go through your work?

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Help with a topic?

proven vessel
proven vessel
proven vessel
vestal crescent
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Okay

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What do you need with those?

toxic granite
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Looks correct for the most part.

proven vessel
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I need to know what the actually fuck is imperatif

toxic granite
vestal crescent
toxic granite
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It's used when ordering someone to do something.

proven vessel
vestal crescent
proven vessel
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I need to know how to do it

toxic granite
proven vessel
vestal crescent
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Oh for fucks sake

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I give up

toxic granite
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Me too.

proven vessel
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Porn is always for fucks sake

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But they don’t give up

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So why y’all?

toxic granite
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<@&254476057455886337>

proven vessel
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Tf is modo?

vestal crescent
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It’s not porn lmao

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It’s a lesson

proven vessel
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What is that then?

vestal crescent
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Open it

toxic granite
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How is answering a question 'being too serious'? 🤔

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I could just not answer it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

proven vessel
toxic granite
proven vessel
vestal crescent
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Dude, lose the attitude, you sound like a kid

toxic granite
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I'm aware of what messages without punctuation look like. This thread is to help you prepare for your exam, though.

proven vessel
proven vessel
toxic granite
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Best of luck on your exam.

proven vessel
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😢

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Ok fine I’ll talk normally @toxic granite @vestal crescent

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WAIT @vestal crescent YOURE LEARNING HINDI?

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BEST LANGUAGE EVER

vapid oxide
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Imperative and perfect, right? What exactly are you struggling with? The concept, the conjugation, the usage, what?

proven vessel
vapid oxide
# proven vessel Everything

Okay, so let's start with concept. The imperative is just giving a command, urging people to do something. The imperative comes with the second person singular/plural, and the first person plural. Essentially:
2nd person singular (tu): Pars ! (I order you [one person] to leave)
1st person plural (nous): Partons ! (I order us [a group] to leave)
2nd person plural (vous): Partez ! (I order you [a group] to leave).

A literal translation would be like:
2nd singular: Just you, leave!
1st plural: Let us leave!
2nd plural: All of you, leave!

With me so far?

proven vessel
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Yes but see that’s the thing

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Isn’t this wrong then?

vapid oxide
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They all look right

proven vessel
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But all your answers are one word

vapid oxide
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Well yeah because I'm focusing on the verb

proven vessel
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Ohhh

vapid oxide
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If I wanted to put into a sentence I'd be like:
« Finis ton plat ! (Finish your food!) »

proven vessel
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Btw don’t u have to remove the s

vapid oxide
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That's only for verbs that end in -er like « parler, regarder, nager »

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for the rest, you keep it

proven vessel
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Ohhh

vapid oxide
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finir => finis, finissons, finissez
rendre => rends, rendons, rendez
peindre => peins, peignons, peignez

proven vessel
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Mhmmm

vapid oxide
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Outside of 4 verbs (avoir, être, savoir, vouloir), the imperative is made by taking the second person singular, first person plural, and second person plural conjugations of the present indicative tense, and just remove the subject pronoun. For -er verbs, you add the additional step of removingthe -s for the 2nd person singular, and that's it.

proven vessel
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Bet I got the imperatif part

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Wb the passé compose

vapid oxide
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Passé composé is describing something happening in the past, usually actions (they happen a few times, have a clear before/after state, etc). They're formed by conjugating avoir or être plus the past participle. Vast majority of verbs take avoir. If you've seen DR MRS VANDERTRAMPP, that's the majority of verbs that take être instead.

proven vessel
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I hated dr and Mrs vandertrampp

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I failed that test

vapid oxide
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that's the list

DrMrsVandertrampp-med.png
proven vessel
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Ohh

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I remember some

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Tomber to fall

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Don’t they change

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Venir - Venu

vapid oxide
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Now with these verbs, because they conjugate using être, the past participle has to agree with the subject. For example, « parler » is conjugated with avoir, so the past participle doesn't agree with the subject.
« Il a parlé / Ils ont parlé »
« Elle a parlé / Elles ont parlé »

Notice how « parlé » stayed the same even though the subject changed in gender and number? Compare that with « tomber », conjugated with être, and their past participles change:
« Il est tombé / Ils sont tombés »
« Elle est tombé__e__ / Elles sont tombé__e__s »

proven vessel
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What’s a past participle

vapid oxide
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A past participle is a verb that has been turned into a sort of adjective, used to make the perfect and passive forms

proven vessel
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Can I please get an example?

vapid oxide
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tomber -> tombé

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rendre -> rendu

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finir -> fini

proven vessel
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Our teacher taught us

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Ir - U
Re -

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Or smth like that

vapid oxide
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parti (partir), sortir (sorti), finir (fini), accompli (accomplir), etc

proven vessel
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Vender (Vendu)

vapid oxide
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tenir and venir are exceptions since their past participles are « tenu, venu » instead of the expected *teni, veni

proven vessel
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Vendre*

vapid oxide
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an -re verb

proven vessel
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Vendu

vapid oxide
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which has its past participle pattern like rendre, -u

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vendu

proven vessel
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Or Vends

vapid oxide
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je vends, tu vends

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it's not the past participle

proven vessel
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Oh

vapid oxide
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Je vends, tu vends (present indicative)
J'ai vendu, tu as vendu (perfect)

proven vessel
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Wait lemme send the practice exam rq

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(I didn’t do this btw it’s my friends notes)

vapid oxide
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yeah that's what I said

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-ir makes -i, -re usually makes -u but it's often irregular

proven vessel
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ir - U
Er - é
Re - ?

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Wait Nahh

vapid oxide
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examples:
dire -> dit (j'ai dit, tu as dit, etc)
atteindre -> atteint (j'ai atteint, tu as atteint, etc)
boire -> bu (j'ai bu, tu as bu, etc)

vapid oxide
proven vessel
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Ohh

vapid oxide
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er is regular, ir is mostly regular, re is… irregular

proven vessel
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Man frick re

vapid oxide
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real

proven vessel
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😭😭

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Ion understand nth 😭😭

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🫸🔴🔵🫷🤞🫴🟣

vapid oxide
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ok gojo

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calm down

proven vessel
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💀🏯💀
🫸⛩️🫷🫴

vapid oxide
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read online

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revise

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you'll do alright

proven vessel
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Aii bet

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Ima do my best

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Thank you bro

vapid oxide
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By the way, do notice prefixes

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so you only need to learn once

proven vessel
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What’s prefixes?

vapid oxide
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The verbs « apprendre, comprendre, reprendre, surprendre » is literally « ap-, com-, re-, sur- + prendre » so if you know « prendre », the rest work

proven vessel
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Oh shi

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Goddam

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Yo

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This crazy

vapid oxide
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prendre
-> Je prends, tu prends, il prend, nous prenons, vous prenez, ils prennent
-> J'ai pris, tu as pris, il a pris, nous avons pris, vous avez pris, ils ont pris

apprendre (ap - prendre)
-> J'apprends, tu apprends, il apprend, nous apprenons, vous apprenez, ils apprennent
-> J'ai appris, tu as appris, il a appris, nous avons appris, vous avez appris, ils ont appris

comprendre (com - prendre)
-> Je comprends, tu comprends, il comprend, nous comprenons, vous comprenez, ils comprennent
-> J'ai compris, tu as compris, il a compris, nous avons compris, vous avez compris, ils ont compris

reprendre (re - prendre)
-> Je reprends, tu reprends, il reprend, nous reprenons, vous reprenez, ils reprennent
-> J'ai repris, tu as repris, il a repris, nous avons repris, vous avez repris, ils ont repris

proven vessel
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They’re all the same practically

vapid oxide
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venir
-> Je viens, tu viens, il vient, nous venons, vous venez, ils viennent
-> Je suis venu, tu es venu, il est venu, nous sommes venus, vous êtes venus, ils sont venus

revenir (re - venir)
-> Je reviens, tu reviens, il revient, nous revenons, vous revenez, ils reviennent
-> Je suis revenu, tu es revenu, il est revenu, nous sommes revenus, vous êtes revenus, ils sont revenus

parvenir (par - venir)
-> Je parviens, tu parviens, il parvient, nous parvenons, vous parvenez, ils parviennent
-> Je suis parvenu, tu es parvenu, il est parvenu, nous sommes parvenus, vous êtes parvenus, ils sont parvenus

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That being said, you have to know which are prefixes are which aren't

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apprendre is ap - prendre, but prendre is not p - rendre

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but it at least helps you in conjugating

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Anything else?

vapid oxide
proven vessel
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By the way

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Back to the imperatif for a sec

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I took some notes earlier

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Le Imperatif

  1. “tu” (you - singular, informal)
    • -er verbs: Drop the final “s” from the present tense “tu” form.
    • Example: parler (to speak)
    • Present tense: tu parles
    • Imperative: Parle ! (Speak!)
    • -ir and -re verbs: Use the present tense “tu” form.
    • Example: finir (to finish)
    • Present tense: tu finis
    • Imperative: Finis ! (Finish!)
    • Irregular verbs:
    • avoir (to have): Aie !
    • être (to be): Sois !
  2. “nous” (we - let’s…)
    • Use the present tense “nous” form.
    • Example: parler (to speak)
    • Present tense: nous parlons
    • Imperative: Parlons ! (Let’s speak!)
  3. “vous” (you - plural or formal)
    • Use the present tense “vous” form.
    • Example: parler (to speak)
    • Present tense: vous parlez
    • Imperative: Parlez ! (Speak!)
    • Irregular verbs:
    • avoir (to have): Ayez !
    • être (to be): Soyez !
    Negative Imperative
    For negative commands, place “ne” before the verb and “pas” after it.
    • Example with “tu”:
    • avoir (to have): N’aie pas peur ! (Don’t be afraid!)
    • Example with “nous”:
    • parler (to speak): Ne parlons pas ! (Let’s not speak!)
    • Example with “vous”:
    • finir (to finish): Ne finissez pas ! (Don’t finish!)
    Examples from your practice test:
    1. tu
      • finir/tes devoirs: Finis tes devoirs ! (Finish your homework!)
      • avoir/peur - négatif: N’aie pas peur ! (Don’t be afraid!)
    2. nous
      • commencer/nos examens: Commençons nos examens ! (Let’s start our exams!)
      • entendre/la musique: Entendons la musique ! (Let’s listen to the music!)
    3. vous
      • être/gentil: Soyez gentils ! (Be kind!)
      • choisir/un bonbon - négatif: Ne choisissez pas un bonbon ! (Don’t choose a candy!)
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Are they correct?

vapid oxide
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Looks good BUT for the irregular verbs, they’re irregular in all three

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I noticed that you only put irregulars in tu and vous (2nd person singular and plural) when they’re irregular in nous as well

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Otherwise the 1st person plural of avoir and être would be « avons, sommes » when they’re actually « ayons, soyons »

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Be careful of that

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Since we’re here, there’s two more irregular verbs that you didn’t mention, savoir and vouloir

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I’ll put all four for you:
avoir: aie, ayons, ayez
être: sois, soyons, soyez
savoir: sache, sachons, sachez
vouloir: veuille, veuillons, veuillez

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Anything else you want to ask?

proven vessel
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mb for the late reply

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but how about this then?

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Regular Verbs
ER Verbs (e.g., parler – to speak)

Tu form: Drop the "s" from the present tense form.
Present: tu parles → Imperative: Parle ! (Speak!)
Nous form: Use the present tense form.
Present: nous parlons → Imperative: Parlons ! (Let's speak!)
Vous form: Use the present tense form.
Present: vous parlez → Imperative: Parlez ! (Speak!)
IR Verbs (e.g., finir – to finish)

Tu form: Use the present tense form.
Present: tu finis → Imperative: Finis ! (Finish!)
Nous form: Use the present tense form.
Present: nous finissons → Imperative: Finissons ! (Let's finish!)
Vous form: Use the present tense form.
Present: vous finissez → Imperative: Finissez ! (Finish!)
RE Verbs (e.g., attendre – to wait)

Tu form: Use the present tense form.
Present: tu attends → Imperative: Attends ! (Wait!)
Nous form: Use the present tense form.
Present: nous attendons → Imperative: Attendons ! (Let's wait!)
Vous form: Use the present tense form.
Present: vous attendez → Imperative: Attendez ! (Wait!)
Irregular Verbs

Some verbs have irregular imperative forms. Here are a few important ones:

Être (to be)

Tu sois (Be!)
Nous soyons (Let's be!)
Vous soyez (Be!)
Avoir (to have)

Tu aie (Have!)
Nous ayons (Let's have!)
Vous ayez (Have!)
Aller (to go)

Tu va (Go!) (Note: The "s" is kept if followed by "y" or "en", e.g., "Vas-y!")
Nous allons (Let's go!)
Vous allez (Go!)
Faire (to do/make)

Tu fais (Do!/Make!)
Nous faisons (Let's do!/Let's make!)
Vous faites (Do!/Make!)

vapid oxide
proven vessel
vapid oxide
proven vessel
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yo

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@vapid oxide

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the test was today

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IT WENT SO GOOD

vapid oxide
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Nice