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cunning tide
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there is a rule to this that even i at B2 don't really know (other than to create the past pariticple)
but its really up to memorisation for me

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write it down 5 times

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on paper

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actual paper and pen

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but thats a very chinese way to do things cries in mnadarin tutor

native marlin
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I pronouce everything I see in Duo to try and get to it

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My pronouciation isn't perfect but it's better than my written atm.

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Remembering where accents go and which one is terrible.

cunning tide
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likt hôpital

native marlin
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I can remember the ^ for hotel but that's it.

cunning tide
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there is a rule to this that is not worth learning

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just memorise

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write them down

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on a notepad 5 times

native marlin
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Will atempt to do so

cunning tide
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if you are not lingusticially keen on the explaination with regards to sounds and what to look for. and if you think that will be oevrwhelming (which it may be, it would be for me). memorise.

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a native or advanced will most liekly reply to this with an actual explaination but the easiest way around this for someone as a beginner is just to memorise every accent there is including ˆ

stiff silo
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é sounds different than just e

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The rest are really just memorised

cunning tide
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thats at the word like fatigué

stiff silo
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è also sounds a bit different than an e but that takes a bit of listening

stiff silo
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compétence for example

cunning tide
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but yeah memorisation ✨

native marlin
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I have like 50 other questions but I'm guessing the TLDR will be: develop your french ear, focus on context and you'll get there in time.

cunning tide
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keep asking them we'd be glad to answer

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if its about spelling, memorise

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conjugation? memorise/.

native marlin
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I'm half way through unit 2 of duo, so I can put together a smattering of stuff

cunning tide
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slay

native marlin
cunning tide
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i cant spell in french half the time either but good luck

native marlin
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I have forced myself to not speed run the progress but only to move on once I've reached the gold status on a thing

cunning tide
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slowly does it

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you cannot force learn a language

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thats the worst thing ever

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ahem ahem school

native marlin
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I need to work on the Elle, Ils, and Sont, and the impact they have on words like amies, amusant and habit, but I'll get there.

fossil gazelle
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In a lot of cases, é will appear in open syllables (i.e. syllables that don’t end in a consonant)

native marlin
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plurals will take another kettle of spaggeti to handle.

cunning tide
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oh eyah

fossil gazelle
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compétence = com-pé-tence
parlé = par-lé
etc

native marlin
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Merci @fossil gazelle @cunning tide

fossil gazelle
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Stem-changing verbs also occur because of that. For example, the second vowel in espérer is é because it’s an open syllable (es-pé-ré) but when it’s conjugated in the first person it becomes è because it’s now a closed syllable (j’espère – es-pèr)

native marlin
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Wayyy to ahead rn

fossil gazelle
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I think -ere tends to use è so « je gère/espère, étagère »

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Uhhhhh yeah

native marlin
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I'm like barley A1 atm

fossil gazelle
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For the most part it’s just memorisation

native marlin
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Please don't confuse me, I'll cry

fossil gazelle
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I’m just telling you the logic

fossil gazelle
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Your brain will figure it out too

cunning tide
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memorisation is key

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thats the french langauge for you

fossil gazelle
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every language really

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as a beginner

half plover
# cunning tide memorisation is key

I think actually french is very systematic and a logical language, like the conjugation of the verbs and many other grammar rules. At first you may see them and they dont make sense but as you advance through the language and memorise some things , you can realize that everything makes sense and it generally depends on a rule except the irregular ones in my opinion.

cunning tide
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but theyre a beginner so best not to be overwhelmed by french complexity off the bat

native marlin
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Oui

half plover
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Yeah you are right. When we first time started to learn french, our proffesor gave us a text that mentioned a daily routine of a girl and made us memorise it by heart. As we learned and advanced, everything made sense and we realized all the rules that is mentioned.

native marlin
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Je suis un étudiante petite

cunning tide
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youre a little student?

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je suis unE petite étudiante :)

half plover
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So as flutter said, you have to memorise a little as a beginner and im sure all things will make sense !

native marlin
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Ie, I only understand a little

cunning tide
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j'ai étudie un peu de français

native marlin
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But can’t use the word understand rn

cunning tide
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don't worry about that for now, keep going and youll get there

native marlin
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I believe it comprehend

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Comprehend seems like a French word

cunning tide
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je comprends

native marlin
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See

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I hecking knew it

cunning tide
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well done

native marlin
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Like

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Tldr: the reason British people call dead cows beef is because we got invaded by the normans and they called it a beouf.

cunning tide
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mhm

native marlin
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Modern French and English are basically half sisters

cunning tide
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grammar is so different

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but lexicon wise yes

native marlin
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Ye well, you try being 3 languages grammer and see how you feel missydoge

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Norse, germanic and latin all beat english over the head.

cunning tide
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aha

native marlin
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But

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Flutter

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Would this be correct:

cunning tide
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which one

native marlin
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Je prends un fromage-gâteau

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Inb4 yes but no

cunning tide
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gâteau au fromage* is cheesecake. i had to google that, from how i hate cheesecakes

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with french dont ever think "oh its just english but funny"

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it has its own words for everything and you cant just frenchify english to make it valid

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thats my number one advice

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but else well done

native marlin
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I missed the grammer

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Bc you say a bike green

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Instead of a green bike

cunning tide
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yes

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but here its a different issue

native marlin
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Merde. pourquoi

cunning tide
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there is no cheese thats an adj of cake

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or cake thats adj of cheese

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so you use au

native marlin
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Au is of right?

cunning tide
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its complicated, focus on the words you know. you can learn new ones but sometimes best not to jump the gun

cunning tide
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but when its food with "X à Y"

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X is the thing that has Y as the flavor

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with de it is that "X de Y", X is a crucial part of Y

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like jus d'orange

native marlin
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So pasta with red wine would be

Pâtes avec verre de vin rouge ?

cunning tide
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Close

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you need an article before pates

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and before verre

native marlin
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Wtf is an article

cunning tide
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a/the/one

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some

native marlin
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Heck

cunning tide
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close

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youll get there

stiff silo