theguybehindthecurtains

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[inland condor]

past participles don't agree with the subject when the auxiliary is avoir

[shadow pine]

Do we say lu or lus?
(Man I don't really care about French and our Curriculum is pretty superficial and bland dude just answer me)

[inland condor]

well then who cares?

just put whatever, it doesn't matter

[shadow pine]

It does matter for now

[inland condor]

well, I can teach you how the rule works, but I'm not going to just give you the answer

[shadow pine]

But on like 6/ 25 it won't

[candid idol]

first and foremost, "remain" doesn't exist

[shadow pine]

Like seriously my future for some reason relies on this weird crap

[candid idol]

are u meaning "roman"?

[shadow pine]

Just tell me is it because of the hyphen

[inland condor]

We're not here to distribute answer for homework or academic exercises

[shadow pine]

Yeah, autocorrect fricked it up

[inland condor]

we can help you understand

[shadow pine]

It aint homework

[inland condor]

but it's literally against the rules of this server to just give you the answers

doesn't matter what it is

the purpose of the server is to help people learn

[shadow pine]

It is more like optional exercise like buying an outside book

[inland condor]

well then there's absolutely no reason to do it!

so just move on

[candid idol]

do you know the rule or not

even a slight part

[shadow pine]

Then tell if we say" Vous avez (lus - lu) ce roman hier"
We ssy lus here

[inland condor]

that's giving you the answer lmao

[shadow pine]

Not getting my future fricked over this

[shadow pine]

Then what is the damn rule I remember a teacher saying something but I can't learn french in English

[inland condor]

this is the rule
do you understand what it means?

[shadow pine]

I remeber them talking about the hyphen (they were trying to put it in simple terms)

[inland condor]

the hyphen makes no difference in the rule

[shadow pine]

English is not even my first language I can't understand explaination in it

[inland condor]

do you know what a past participle is?

[shadow pine]

And when your explaination is translated it makes no sense

[shadow pine]

P.P?

Like "I had done something"

[inland condor]

"done" would be the past participle there, in English

[candid idol]

I think you misunderstood what your teacher said, or you're mixing several things cause these are not related

[inland condor]

the past participle of the verb "lire" is "lu", which is what you're dealing with in your example

[shadow pine]

I remeber asking about the hyphen here like the difference between que and que'est que and what I understood we use Que when a hyphenated verb is there

[shadow pine]

Sure then

OH SHIT

I remember

I thought it was etre the whole time lol

But is there a difference when it is etre though?

Like
Vous etes (lus-lu) ce roman hier
Etes-vous (lus-lu) ce roman hier

[inland condor]

Past participle agreement is very complicated in French, unfortunately

Since we don't 'read' people, neither of your examples work

but, the verb "venir" always uses être as an auxiliary, so you could see it there

vous êtes venus
êtes-vous venus

(note that venu could actually take any form: venu/venue/venus/venues depending on what it's actually refering to)

[shadow pine]

Ah forgot that 14 verbs take etre and lire is not one if them

Or like 17

[jolly granite]

Usually movement/state verbs

[inland condor]

there's a bunch, I'm not sure how many

[shadow pine]

So the hyphen doesn't matter

[inland condor]

not at all

[shadow pine]

We got like 17 in the cirricumlum and every verb like
" se ----"

Se promener and such

[inland condor]

any verb used pronominally also uses être, yes

[shadow pine]

Se lever se coucher

But when does the P.P that takes etre not follow the subject

[inland condor]

I don't think I understand your question

[jolly granite]

Pronominally

[shadow pine]

No whatM

Is there any other case

[jolly granite]

Though it usually ends up being the same as the subject, it doesn't use the subject for determining agreement

But no, there are no other cases as far as I can think of

[shadow pine]

When do we say " Elles venu hommes"

[jolly granite]

What

[shadow pine]

Without making it Venuse

[jolly granite]

What is that supposed to mean

Cuz that says "they(fem) come men gay"

[inland condor]

"normal" verbs, that just use avoir only agree with the direct object if the direct object precedes the verb
j'ai mangé une pomme
la pomme que j'ai mangé__e__ était bonne

verbs that use être to form compound past tenses agree with the subject of the sentence
il est venu
elles sont venu__es__

pronominal verbs agree with the suject if there is no other direct object
elles se sont lavé__es__
elles se sont lavé les mains

[shadow pine]

Elles venu hommes

Elles sont venu de la gare

[jolly granite]

You can't just use a past participle without a verb

Ok

[shadow pine]

Sont elles venu de la gare?
Like this?

[jolly granite]

You need to agree if it's an être verb

[shadow pine]

It is?

[jolly granite]

All of the rules are here

[shadow pine]

But I do remember a special case

I read them but not the thinf I remember

[jolly granite]

There are more complex use cases but I doubt they're teaching you that if you don't know basic agreements

[shadow pine]

I sent a pic

[jolly granite]

Where

[shadow pine]

Bottom right

It is with avoir ?

Ah shit with avoir sorry for wasting your time