#Connor (corrigez-moi svp)

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granite hedge
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In (3.) it says lavé not lavés as what DeepL says
And also in 3.5 why does Elle get 2 e’s but Elles gets only one?

simple solar
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DeepL is wrong

simple solar
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"agreement with jambes, agreement with cheveux"

granite hedge
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I thought hair is plural

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Les cheveux

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Oh wait it’s masculine

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Sorry about that

simple solar
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#2 is saying when the pronominal verb has an indirect object after it, the pronoun is probably a direct object

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#4 is just giving pronominal verbs that are always indirect regardless

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they cant have a direct object

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so their pronoun must be indirect

granite hedge
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Ah ok i think I understand, Do these two sentences agree or disagree (could you please translate these to french)
He addressed her
He addressed it to her

simple solar
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I mean it depends on the verb

granite hedge
granite hedge
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Ils se sont donnés?

simple solar
simple solar
simple solar
granite hedge
simple solar
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argent is the direct object

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there's no adjective

granite hedge
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Leur?

granite hedge
simple solar
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that's the direct object

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not a preposition

granite hedge
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I think at this stage I don’t understand what’s direct and indirect, like how can a reflexive pronoun be direct if there is no such thing in English?

simple solar
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in french, an indirect object is separated by a preposition in a normal sentence
and a direct object is not
e.g. donner qqch à qqn

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à is the most common one

granite hedge
simple solar
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for indirect

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yes, "au proviseur", à is the preposition, so proviseur is the indirect object
which means that s' is probably a direct object

granite hedge
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Ah ok and my last question I have is why isn’t “à” the direct object?

simple solar
granite hedge
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Sorry for the late reply- I had exams, but why does the second sentence agree here?

granite hedge
simple solar
simple solar
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In 3) there's already a direct object after the verb, so the reflexive pronoun before the verb cannot be direct, so no agreement

granite hedge
granite hedge
granite hedge
simple solar
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you can only have one direct object

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for one verb

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so if there already is one after the verb, there can't be one before the verb

granite hedge
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Ah ok i understand now

simple solar
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3 1/2 just says that if there's a direct object pronoun in addition to the reflexive pronoun, the reflexive pronoun can't be direct, for the same reason

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there can still be agreement, but it'll be with the direct object pronoun, not the reflexive pronoun

granite hedge
simple solar
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no

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there's a direct object pronoun, but no reflexive pronoun

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"Elle se les est rasées"

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from the examples it provides

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"les" is direct, so it agrees with that

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"se" is there too, but since there's already a direct object, it can't be direct, so there's no agreement with it

granite hedge
simple solar
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3 1/2

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it's the example on the page

granite hedge
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Ah ok i will re-read it right now

granite hedge
simple solar
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yes

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👍

granite hedge
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Nice I need to practice these, is there any exercise book that has questions with these?

simple solar
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not that I know of

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tex might have something

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lemme see

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https://laits.utexas.edu/tex/gr/tap4.html

tap4: passé composé of pronominal verbs

Tex's French Grammar is the integral grammar component of Français Interactif, an online French course from the University of Texas at Austin. Français Interactif includes authentic, spoken French language via digital audio and video clips, a French grammar reference (Tex's French Grammar), self-correcting French grammar exercises, vocabulary a...

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this has a bit

granite hedge
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Thank you so much man 🙏

granite hedge
# simple solar this has a bit

Hi, sorry for disturbing you again, I’ve made my own notes so I can remember the rules more clearly, could you please check if they’re correct and if not what corrections should I make:

(1) When reflexive pronoun is direct (answers what or who) it agrees with the reflexive pronoun
(2) When reflexive pronoun is direct (answers what or who) it agrees with the reflexive pronoun
(3) noun direct= no agreement at all
(3.5) objects pronoun= agreement with object pronoun (les representing jambes) and NOT with reflexive pronoun
(4) there can only be one direct object so it’s going to be the noun after the verb so no agreement with reflexive pronoun

simple solar
# granite hedge Hi, sorry for disturbing you again, I’ve made my own notes so I can remember the...

Basic rules :

  • If the reflexive pronoun is DIRECT, the past participle AGREES with the pronoun
  • If the reflexive pronoun is INDIRECT, the past participle DOES NOT agree with the pronoun
  • There can only be ONE direct object. If one exists other than the reflexive pronoun, the reflexive pronoun is indirect.

(1) When the verb does NOT have any other object, the reflexive pronoun is more likely to be DIRECT (this is very much not always the case)
(2) When the verb is followed by an INDIRECT object, the reflexive pronoun is most likely DIRECT
(3) If the verb is followed by a DIRECT object, the reflexive pronoun is INDIRECT
(3.5) If there is another DIRECT object pronoun, the reflexive pronoun is INDIRECT (but the past participle still agrees with the DIRECT pronoun, as per usual rules)

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all of these numbers are just tips on how to guess if the reflexive pronoun is direct or not

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or how to know for sure, in some cases

granite hedge
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That’s so clear bro thank you!

simple solar
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glad I could help!

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there are also some other tricky cases, but it ultimately boils down to figuring out whether or not it's a direct object (and a direct object of the correct verb, in some cases)