fyrebeest

[ruby pier]

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[muted hinge]

Other way around, if they are followed by a direct object, they have to use avoir

[haughty jay]

they take avoir if they are followed by a direct object

[muted hinge]

Eyyyy

[haughty jay]

je t'ai passé le sel

[muted hinge]

J’ai sorti la poubelle

[jovial kiln]

OH my bad

wait so in other words, if they are followed by an indirect object, they use être, but direct object use avoir?

[haughty jay]

you got it

[muted hinge]

Sounds about right to me

[clever oracle]

You can just remove the indirect part altogether. Direct object, then it's avoir. Otherwise être.

[jovial kiln]

but it can't be any verb with a direct object? It has to be from "vandertrampp" no? Just confirming?

[haughty jay]

pronominal verbs are always être, even if there's a COD other than the subject (elle s'est brossé les dents)

otherwise, yes, direct object -> avoir

[jovial kiln]

right, but my question is that: does the verb specifically have to be from the "vandertrampp" list or some sort of "verb of displacement" and a direct in order to be functional with être? Or can it be any verb with a direct object?

[haughty jay]

vandertramp is a simple mnemonic that catches most cases. there's some other oddballs out there that can take avoir or être depending on context/usage/preference. demeurer and apparaître for example.

i really didn't understand the wording of what you just said though, so I hope your questions have been sufficiently answered with all the information you've been given

[jovial kiln]

isn't demeurer with être more formal-upperclass than avoir

[haughty jay]

I don't think avoir vs être changes the register. It's already a higher register word afaik. What I learned was être + demeurer + adjectif and avoir + demeurer + endroit

[jovial kiln]

idk thats what lawless french said

[muted hinge]

Yes but the distinction is still important unlike with apparaitre

[muted hinge]

That only applies to « demeurer » in the sense of 'to stay/to live'

« demeurer » has two main meanings: to remain and to live. The former uses « être » while the latter uses « avoir » but in formal/literary French, both use « être ».