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[zenith isle]

It’s just applicable to venir.

Prefixed verbs do often take the same auxiliary but that’s not always the case. Take « paraitre, apparaitre, disparaitre, comparaitre » where every one except « apparaitre » prefers avoir as an auxiliary.

[quick knoll]

In this forum, also someone said that it is about the whether the verbs takes the direct object or not

The examples that you have mentioned, does the ones that which are conjugated with avoir take direct object ? If not than it is conjugated with être so it has to be intransitive verb

[quick knoll]

This case is only applicable for venir i guess

[zenith isle]

For the list you said before, yes; the reason why prévenir is avoir and parvenir is être is because the former takes a direct object and the latter doesn’t. That’s it, really.

Okay, so for the ones I’ve mentioned, they can take both avoir and être so « il a disparu » and « il est disparu » do occur in different contexts, it’s just that there’s a tendency to prefer avoir in contexts where we would’ve expected être with disparaitre and vice-versa with apparaitre.

[zenith isle]

Convenir takes avoir nowadays, être is mostly in a formal context

[quick knoll]

That is exactly like what u said

It is kind of confusing tho, is there any other cases like this

And the same case as venir ? Or venir is the only exception for the prefix thing

[zenith isle]

Erm none comes to mind, sorry

[zenith isle]

For auxiliaries I think so

[quick knoll]

Is venir a auxiliaire verb ?

What do you mean by auxiliaries

Arent the avoir and être are the auxiliaires

[zenith isle]

Yes, I mean different prefixes taking different auxiliaries

Because the one that came to my mind at first was « dire, interdire, contredire » but that’s conjugation and not auxiliary change

[quick knoll]

Yeah, currently im looking for the conjugation of the paraître and apparaître and this seems complicated a lot. Some say that

paraître : avoir
Apparaître : être

But they change auxiliaires while meaning différent things

Look at these notes

[zenith isle]

Okay so textbook-wise, apparaitre disparaitre paraitre can take either être or avoir depending on the context but in daily usage disparaitre/paraitre almost always use avoir whereas apparaitre uses être even in contexts where we wouldn’t have expected it

être for final result, avoir for the action

But what is described in those articles and the actual usage of the verb differ

[quick knoll]

Yeah as i have searched throught the internet, your statement is what they all say

[quick knoll]

I only dont get the final result and the action thing tho

is it a complicated thing or am i not understanding

[quick knoll]

And is this statement is about the both of the verbs or only apparaître

[zenith isle]

il est apparu = he wasn’t there before, he is now
il a apparu = we literally see him appearing

That’s probably inaccurate to an extent but that’s it really

[zenith isle]

disparaitre and apparaitre

[quick knoll]

Okay that is kind of complicated but i will stick with your message that you say paraître most likely avoir and apparaître mostly likely être

Thank you so much

For your replies and your time

[zenith isle]

No worries. Do note that I still see paraitre with être when it’s in the sense of publish as in « le journal est paru samedi » or something like that but that’s rare IMO

« publier » is used a lot more

[quick knoll]

Is that is the same sentence as

Le journal a été publié samedi

[zenith isle]

Yeah