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[sand tiger]

Do you know the pronouns y and en?

[fathom verge]

not enough to really use them well

[sand tiger]

Check this article out first: https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/adverbial-pronouns/

you have errors in 1-3 and this article should help you

[fathom verge]

As long as I can still answer it in le passé recent

[sand tiger]

the issue isn't the passé récent, it's the pronouns you used

[fathom verge]

Il vient d’y répondre?

[stuck burrow]

for #4 that's not incorrect but "le mien" isn't a pronom personnel 😉

[fathom verge]

those are referred as what again? I did get confused there

[stuck burrow]

sorry, my bad, it is a pronoun but not a pronom personnel - it's a possessive pronoun

in this case i think it would be better to replace it with "le" as the COD

[fathom verge]

Gotcha

[fathom verge]

Can I say ‘Il vient d’y le répondre

[stuck burrow]

for #1 il vient d'y répondre is good

[fathom verge]

Well it says use pronoms personnels if i can so idk

[sand tiger]

no, because you "répondre à" something in this case

[stuck burrow]

haha fair enough, but "y répondre" is right and not "le répondre"

[fathom verge]

Why not il vient d’en repondre

[sand tiger]

the verb répondre can take either a direct object ("il a répondu « oui »") or an indirect object introduce by à ("il a répondu à la question)

("répondre de" does exist, but it's a much more advanced usage)

[fathom verge]

ok i really don’t want this exercise ti get more complicated than it absolutely needs to be

[sand tiger]

lol

[fathom verge]

But that’s useful

[sand tiger]

just ask yourself, does the verb need "de" or "à" or nothing before the object that comes after

if it needs "de" → replace "de" + the object with "en" (most of the time, there are exceptions
if it needs "à" → replace "à" + a place or thing with "y", or "à" + a person with a personal indirect object pronoun
if it needs nothing → replace with le / la / les

that's a simplification, however

[fathom verge]

Vous avez bu un café - 1) we can use en to substitute the the direct object and its quantity, 2) we w put it before the Verb viens 3) add the personal pronoun le because Cafe is masculine, so

J’en viens de le boire?

Just laying out what my thought process is here so you can see where I am going to reach my conclusions here

[sand tiger]

not quite - this is yet another specific usage lol

let's try a simpler sentence

"tu bois du café"

what would you do there?

[stuck burrow]

the passe recent is composed of subj + venir + de + infinitif, so you should know that for the infinitif you place the pronom before

[fathom verge]

Tu viens d’en boire?

[sand tiger]

perfect!

[stuck burrow]

je le lis => je veux le lire => je viens de le lire

[sand tiger]

but if I put, "tu bois un café" the rule sorta changes

it still needs "en"

but because we have a number, we need to keep the "un"

[fathom verge]

I’m only using en because du sounds more like a vague quantity of more than one

[sand tiger]

if that helps you remember the rule, then great lol

[fathom verge]

is it even right

[sand tiger]

en replaces a whole bunch of different things including partitives and indefinite articles

[stuck burrow]

FWIW I don't think "je viens d'en boire" is wrong as a response here in context.

It just means something different than "je viens d'en boire un"... I drank some coffee vs I drank a coffee.

[fathom verge]

Like des, du?

[sand tiger]

yep

[fathom verge]

The uns and the des

[sand tiger]

je bois du café → j'en bois
je manges des pâtes → j'en mange
je vois un chat → j'en vois un
je construis une maison → j'en construis une
j'ai six chiens → j'en ai six

when there's a quantity, you use en, but then you add the quantity back in after the verb

[fathom verge]

But you didn’t do that for the first two of your five examples?

[sand tiger]

there's no number

[stuck burrow]

those two are partitives, i.e. "some" vs a fixed number

[fathom verge]

there’s no ‘some’ to add because the en covers that responsibility? Or something

[sand tiger]

yep

[fathom verge]

Or it’s just purely because it’s just way, whatever

My understanding is emerging

Thanks lads

Am I still able to use pronouns personals with these particular questions if I also use adverbial pronouns though?

[sand tiger]

you don't double up

you can have multiple pronouns, but only if there are multiple objects

i.e. "j'ai donné un café à mon frère" → je lui en ai donné un

[fathom verge]

The objective of these questions here is to figure out when I absolutely have to use pronoms personnels here, For this series questions, and when not to, I gusss

I will try

I just don’t know how complex my teacher wants me to make this shit given we haven’t had the big boy adverbial pronoun talk in toto

am I doin it rite?

[sand tiger]

what preposition do you use after recevoir ?

[fathom verge]

De?

[sand tiger]

do I say

• j'ai reçu à la lettre
• j'ai reçu de la lettre
• j'ai reçu la lettre

[fathom verge]

I’d guess either 2 or 3 since you’re not giving it to anyone or anything

[sand tiger]

it's only n° 3

[frank onyx]

Recevoir takes a direct object, remember that y and en are not direct objects. On répond à une question, on reçoit une réponse (no preposition so direct object).

It’s in the question: « Tu as reçu la réponse ? »
Is there a preposition between the verb and the object?

[fathom verge]

Nah

[frank onyx]

Right so it’s a direct object which means you should use?

[fathom verge]

a direct object pronoun?

[frank onyx]

Mmhm

By the way, your structure is wrong

Passé récent is « venir de infinitif ».

[fathom verge]

Whoops

[frank onyx]

So with those two out of the way, what should be the correct answer?

[fathom verge]

Je viens de la recevoir?

[frank onyx]

Excellent work!

[fathom verge]

I’ll keep goin

[fathom verge]

Is ‘the question’ really an indirect object pronoun

Wouldnt thst be a direct object since it comes after the subject and the verb of that sentence

[sand tiger]

"à la question" is an indirect object, but not a pronoun

[frank onyx]

If the object is preceded by a preposition, it is indirect, full stop.

[fathom verge]

Oh im conflating dops with dos and iops with ios

[fathom verge]

Does this look healthy?

6 and 7 I’m not too sure about, I don’t know how to deal with the en proposition

[sand tiger]

2 and 3 have the right pronoun but other stuff is missing

6 is tricky b/c of the preposition "en", but in this case, for pronouns, the preposition "en" works identically to the preposition "à"

7 is missing something

[fathom verge]

Another take

[sand tiger]

check your spelling on 3
you're missing a word on 6
and check out how you should be conjugating your verbs in 7