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[jolly helm]

Please be patient

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[fleet birch]

Or should it be de?

[feral cosmos]

En général oui, les articles s’utilisent devant les noms. Mais, dans tes deux exemple, tu sembles parler d’un cas spécial : la possibilité de l’omission de l’article. Pour tout comprendre, tu devrais lire cet article: https://www.cairn.info/revue-ela-2016-2-page-139.htm#:~:text=Après certaines prépositions comme à,semaine%2C sans scrupules%2C etc.

[tough jay]

Articles are generally used before country names (but not all of them) and are generally dropped before feminine country names after "de"

With other proper nouns it depends on the noun

Nearly all cities don't ever take an article, but for some cities its part of the name (le Harvre, le Kremlin-Bicêtre)

Names of people practically never take an article (unlike what can happen in Italian, for instance)

Names of stores sometime have an article (la FNAC) but mostly don't

[twilit dawn]

Tho you can use it before stuff like doctor [name]

[tough jay]

ah, in that case I'd say that article is attached to the noun médecin and not to the proper noun

[twilit dawn]

Le Dr. Pierre?

[tough jay]

(in Italian you can have stuff like "la Maria"… which just doesn't happen in French)

[twilit dawn]

Ye

Not nouns tho

Title

[feral cosmos]

Honestly this is an area I still mess up a lot in, when to use the article after “de” and when not to

The rules outlined in the article are really helpful, but there are so many things it doesn’t really cover that I’m still unsure about

[twilit dawn]

I think u can use it with titles in general it's just formal? Not really a usage most people need tho unless you're living in a french environment ig

[tough jay]

I think it's simplest to say that generally proper nouns do not take articles (except for countries)
And generally regular nouns do take articles.
There are of course exceptions and the rest is a matter of memorization

[fleet birch]

I think we omit the article in a case like: je viens de || la || France

[fleet birch]

Yea and I can’t find anything helpful tbh

[fleet birch]

But what if we’re saying: le gouvernent de (la?) France

Do put the article there?

[twilit dawn]

https://i.hep.gg/DuoHTPCIy