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ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:23 PM

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here for example

steady glen Apr 2, 2024, 2:26 PM

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those are contractions of "que" + "on" and "que" + "il"

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que is a function word in French which here is functioning as a relative pronoun (akin to "that")

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meanwhile "on" and "il" are two different 3rd person singular subject pronouns

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ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:30 PM

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steady glen those are contractions of "que" + "on" and "que" + "il"

i see, but when should i use "qu'on" and just "on"?

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or vice versa for "qu'il" et "il"

thin mason Apr 2, 2024, 2:30 PM

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yeah c'est comme ca, ca signifie la meme chose ici

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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ahhh d'accord

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merci!

steady glen Apr 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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it doesn't mean the same thing

thin mason Apr 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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it's like the clause

steady glen Apr 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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they aren't interchangeable

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"on" just means "one" or "we"

thin mason Apr 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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the meaning is the same, but yeah you gotta use que infornt of it

steady glen Apr 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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"qu'on" means "that one" or "that we"

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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steady glen they aren't interchangeable

ohh

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:32 PM

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la personne qu'on cherche = the person (that) we are looking for

thin mason Apr 2, 2024, 2:32 PM

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full scarab la personne qu'on cherche = the person (that) we are looking for

oui!

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:32 PM

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"la personne on cherche" wouldn't mean anything, something like "the person we looking"

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:33 PM

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ashen cairn here for example

so its kinda like used when a verb is followed? so kinda like "say THAT we go got a walk"?

thin mason Apr 2, 2024, 2:33 PM

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steady glen they aren't interchangeable

ah, so is it mandatory, i thought that can be chnaged when informally talking too

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:33 PM

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mandatory

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there are maybe a few very informal exceptions where it's implied

steady glen Apr 2, 2024, 2:33 PM

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it just depends what you're saying, it's mandatory when it's needed lol, but it's not always needed

thin mason Apr 2, 2024, 2:34 PM

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this is confusing

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:34 PM

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but as a general rule, use it (where it's needed ofc)

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basically it connects clauses to my knowledge

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qui can too, when it's the subject

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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so for example if you want to ask that we call you, you can say "ca te dit qu'on parlez vous"?

steady glen Apr 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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part of what makes it particularly confusing when coming at it from an English perspective is that the relative pronoun "that" can be dropped in a lot of circumstances in English

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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thin mason this is confusing

it is...

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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ashen cairn so for example if you want to ask that we call you, you can say "ca te dit qu'on...

parler is to talk/speak

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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is it not used when calling someone also?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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"ça te dit qu'on t'appelle"

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no

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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OH SHIT

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I MIXED IT YP

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:36 PM

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also remember to conjugate for the subject

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not the object

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:36 PM

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got it

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:36 PM

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👍

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:37 PM

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thanks!

thin mason Apr 2, 2024, 2:38 PM

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so helpful, merci beaucoup!

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:39 PM

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btw what is n'y short for?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:39 PM

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ne + y

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lol

steady glen Apr 2, 2024, 2:39 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ni-the-knights-who-say-the-knights-who-say-ni-gemcat-monty-python-gif-25108610

Tenor

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:40 PM

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full scarab ne + y

what does it mean 😭

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:40 PM

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y is an object pronoun like in "il y a"
ne is part of a negation

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:41 PM

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ohh i see

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so kinda also means like not?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:41 PM

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y replaces either a location or something introduced by « à »

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:41 PM

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ashen cairn so kinda also means like not?

which?

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do u have a sentence

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:42 PM

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n'y

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:42 PM

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it's easier to explain with a context

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cuz y can be a lot of things

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:43 PM

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in this context

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:43 PM

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ok this is just fancy "il y a"

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do u know "il y a"

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:43 PM

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oh...

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:43 PM

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full scarab do u know "il y a"

yep

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:43 PM

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so

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here it's conjugated in the future

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"there will be"

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but then negated

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"there won't be"

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:44 PM

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"aura" right?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:44 PM

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ye

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:44 PM

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ahh i see

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:44 PM

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that's avoir in the future

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:44 PM

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got it

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thanks again!

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:44 PM

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then the "pas" at the end to complete the negation

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no worries!

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as another example

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je n'y suis pas allé

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:45 PM

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full scarab then the "pas" at the end to complete the negation

in conversational you could drop the 'ne' right?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:45 PM

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do u understand it here at all

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yep!

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:45 PM

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nope....

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wait

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im not going?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:46 PM

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close, just missing the y

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and the tense

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:46 PM

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ohh i did not go

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alle is past tense?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:47 PM

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passé composé is always made up of two parts

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:47 PM

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damm i got to study the tenses

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:47 PM

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the auxiliary, which is always either avoir or être in present tense
and the past participle, which doesnt change based on conjugation

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allé is the past participle

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you can kinda think of it like how we say "I have gone"

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"have" is the auxiliary, "gone" is the past participle

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:49 PM

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ahhh got it

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so it kinda joins the subject and the verb tgt

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and negates it if "ne/n" is present

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:50 PM

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but a small handful of verbs (usually basic movement verbs or verbs that describe the state of something) use "être" as their auxiliary, aller is one of them

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:51 PM

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ill have to read more to expand my vocab on these words then

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:51 PM

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ashen cairn and negates it if "ne/n" is present

ne connects to the verb it modifies, and compound verbs (with an auxiliary + past participle, like passé composé) are considered one whole verb for this case, so it'll come before the auxiliary yeah

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auxiliary verbs are basically just helper verbs

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anyways

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:52 PM

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ahh okk

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:52 PM

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so "je suis allé" = I went

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:52 PM

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thanks again!

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:52 PM

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j'y suis allé = I went there

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:53 PM

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n'y just negates it?

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:53 PM

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yep

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well

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ne + pas

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like usual

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:53 PM

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oh right

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:53 PM

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the y isnt a negation

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:53 PM

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i understand it now thanks so much!

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:53 PM

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it often means "there" or "to it"

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:53 PM

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ahh got it

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:54 PM

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j'y pense = I think about it (because we say penser À qqch)

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it replaces à + something (usually "to it") or a place (usually "there")

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:54 PM

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god to think i have to learn french alr and then spoken slang...

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:55 PM

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slang comes on its own

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dw about it

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:55 PM

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yeah definitely hopefully once i have the basic understanding vocabulary builds easy

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:56 PM

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it's like, you won't hear people speaking in hardcore slang 24/7, we've been talking for ages in english and hardly used any slang

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the intimidating part is just getting used to how people talk

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the rest isnt too hard

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usually you can guess what they mean from context and tone if nothing else haha

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:56 PM

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full scarab it's like, you won't hear people speaking in hardcore slang 24/7, we've been tal...

you have a point

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:57 PM

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full scarab usually you can guess what they mean from context and tone if nothing else haha

haha hope so

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better get back to studying

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thanks again!!

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:57 PM

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np! lots of new knowledge haha

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I totally get the feeling

ashen cairn Apr 2, 2024, 2:57 PM

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oh yeah

full scarab Apr 2, 2024, 2:58 PM

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asking questions is the best way to build up that knowledge

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ur doin great

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