wizard6263

[last ether]

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[lunar phoenix]

@mighty gulch this is only true for ER

and if the next word is a en/y (vaS-y)

https://www.digischool.fr/cours/l-imperatif-present-et-passe-1

[mighty gulch]

What does the 2e 1re and 3e mean?

[lunar phoenix]

2nd person - Tu
1st person - Nous
2nd person - vous

apologies for the slightly confusing graph

[mighty gulch]

Ahh

[lunar phoenix]

hope this helps!

[mighty gulch]

I think I understand, thanks!

[unique trout]

it's not if it's a vowel, it's only with 'y' and 'en'

[lunar phoenix]

also! verb groups
1e - ER
2e IR
3e RE

[lunar phoenix]

merci

[unique trout]

I see you edited what you initially said, but "y" and "en" aren't COIs either lol

[native token]

3e is all irregulars regardless of ending + all -re

[lunar phoenix]

how do we categorise en/y?

[native token]

1e and 2e are only regulars

[unique trout]

yeah, it's a major source of confusion between natives and learners
natives learn the three groups: 1st: regular -er, 2nd: regular ir, 3rd: everything else
while learners learn four groups: regular -er, regular/semi-regular -ir, regular -re, and irregular

[unique trout]

adverbial pronouns

[native token]

Usually it's easier to just say "before y and en"

It doesn't happen with anything else

Also, it applies to ALL -er verbs

So it's not a "1e groupe" thing

Which is surely why your chart said -er for the first section

Just kinda funny cuz it cites 3e groupe later too, and aller is 3e groupe

[lunar phoenix]

i saw wizard ask 1e 2e 3e in which the graph has them in both 1st person, and verb groups

[native token]

So aller would be both according to the chart lol

In any case -re verbs never lose their s

-ir verbs only lose their s if they conjugate like -er verbs