krowly2986

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[sudden roost]

@young galleon like english. lets see some examples:

My family IS tall

it stays the same

we are refering to A group of people

c'est une famille

tout le monde est fou

[glossy gyro]

"ce" is a neuter pronoun that accords in the masculine as the neuter in french is masculine

[sudden roost]

everyone IS crazy

[limpid lake]

Erm where did you get this rule of c’est for masculine and ce sont for feminine

because that is absolutely not right lmao

[unkempt nacelle]

Gender has nothing to do with it. C'est goes with singular, ce sont with plural : c'est un bateau, c'est une maison, ce sont des bateaux, ce sont des maisons

[open gorge]

well, gender does enter into the equation, but only when c'est is followed by an adjective

because the adjective will always be masculine in that case

[glossy gyro]

It's just that the gender of the noun does not affect ce or the verb

Verb conjugation is NEVER influenced by gender
(Past participles can be influenced by gender but they are not affected by conjugation)

[young galleon]

maybe i misinterpreted the vid but looked like this

[glossy gyro]

That's a dumb vid lol

"persons" as well???

[limpid lake]

persons????

huh????

[young galleon]

thank you, think I got it now.

[young galleon]

ikr

[limpid lake]

Drop the vid I gotta see it

[glossy gyro]

Lmfao

[limpid lake]

I wanna know what other nuggets of gold it provides

[little valve]

Persons is correct. But formal / bureaucratic

[open gorge]

the use of "persons" doesn't shock me tbh

[limpid lake]

no I meant why would it happen like that

[little valve]

Ah

[limpid lake]

like who goes c’est un personne vs ce sont des personnes

[gusty juniper]

If you dont mind me asking
Can you give me an example for that?
Is that only when its directly after the c'est or also when following the noun?

[young galleon]

https://youtu.be/JbCDNEs6gQY?si=Yz1Lo2E4akJwt03I here bro but i think i misheard smth in it like- she's quite trusted in the lessons i think

[open gorge]

la mer, c'est beau
le ciel, c'est beau

[gusty juniper]

Ahhh thank you

[glossy gyro]

C'est une belle voiture
If it's directly modifying the noun it doesn't affect it, just matters if it's actually connected to "ce" or not

[gusty juniper]

Thank you so much! That solves my confusion

[glossy gyro]

C'est beau => describing "ce" (which represents the other thing)

[young galleon]

thank you lots guys <33

[glossy gyro]

Is it just me or does it sound weird in the plural

Ce sont beaux.. I don't think that works?

[limpid lake]

I see her point now

so her point is that you use c’est/ce sont when it’s a noun plus article whereas you do just c’est + adjective

it’s just poorly written

C’est + article indéfini + nom au singulier
Ce sont + article partitif + nom au pluriel
(note: only works with countable nouns)

C’est une femme
Ce sont des femmes

C’est un homme
Ce sont des hommes

C’est beau
C’est génial

[gusty juniper]

I tried to see how my auto correction reacts to it but it seems correct?

[limpid lake]

I think it’s because c’est + adjective applies to the whole idea which is sorta indivisible?

[unkempt nacelle]

It doesn't work

[limpid lake]

Like if I said, « Wow, regardez tous ces beaux cadeaux… », using « c’est incroyable » would refer the sentence as a whole, as a unit, as a concept of having a lot of gifts whereas the plural « ils sont incroyables » would refer to the gifts themselves because you can’t split up the sentence

[gusty juniper]

I think i got what you mean but its hard to put my finger on it exactly

So " les cadeaux, ce sont beaux" would be wrong?

[limpid lake]

basically using c’est implies that it applies to the whole sentence whereas using il/elle est refers to something inside the sentence

like erm

« J’aime voir la mer, c’est beau »
« beau » refers to the act of seeing the sea and the experience itself

« J’aime voir la mer, elle est belle »
« belle » refers to the sea specifically so while I like seeing the sea in general I am putting extra emphasis on the beauty of this sea

[limpid lake]

I’d say so

[gusty juniper]

Ahhh so the problem is less the gender of the adjective but more the thing it self

[unkempt nacelle]

You can say "Les feux d'artifice, cest beau" -> fireworks in general, as a whole thing are beautiful. "Ce sont de beaux feux d'artifices" those fireworks in particular are beautiful

[limpid lake]

Edited because I was sleepy and thought of something else

[gusty juniper]

Thank you so much for your patience!

[limpid lake]

Right and do notice that because ce is neuter, adjective defaults to masculine so never will you see « c’est belle » unless it’s a name but that’s different

[glossy gyro]

Yeah

Just never consciously thought about it lol

[glossy gyro]

Auto correct will not fix grammar issues in general, especially not less obvious ones

[gusty juniper]

In this context it was a specific grammer one :) that at least for German usually does a great job

[gusty juniper]

Thats solves a lot of confusion

Thank you!