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[broken ruin]

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[unique trellis]

i think its the second one

cuz u need to fully negate it

[exotic tendon]

oh right, that seems correct

[cyan tiger]

Aside from a few literary or really formal constructions, negation always comes in two parts: « ne » and an adverb like « pas, jamais, personne ». « ne ... (adverb) » always wraps around the verb.

Also, it's « j'ai joué à un match de basketball »

[exotic tendon]

oh damn, i didn t realise i made that mistake. thank you

[cyan tiger]

Refer to this article for jouer:
https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/jouer-lesson/

[unique trellis]

wait what

[exotic tendon]

when do you use a?

[unique trellis]

i never seen that before

[cyan tiger]

No problem. Do note that while you can drop « ne » in oral or informal contexts, you NEVER drop the adverb. There are some constructions that permit this, refer to this.

[cyan tiger]

I literally just sent the article

it's written there

[exotic tendon]

my bad

[light vessel]

Technically, both are good.

[unique trellis]

but you can drop ne but not pas

[light vessel]

First one is archaic, but still usable in litterature when you want to sound fancy.

[exotic tendon]

one more thing if anyone doesn't mind clearing up, what do you use ce soit?

[cyan tiger]

jouer takes different prepositions depending on the context
jouer -> to play (perform in the context of a play)
jouer à -> play a game, match or whatever
jouer de -> play an instrument
etc
examples:
J'ai joué avec mon ami ce soir. On a joué à un match de foot avant que je doive aller jouer du violon pour le récital.

[cyan tiger]

I said that above but yes

[light vessel]

But in today's standard, it's the other way around, the "ne" becomes the secondsary negation, and "pas" (or anything else) is becoming the main negation, which results in sentences with only "ne" becoming very odd to hear in your daily life.

[cyan tiger]

when there's something that triggers the subjunctive

Do you know what that is?

[unique trellis]

i knew it had forms but for the past tense i thought it would be dropped

[cyan tiger]

prepositions are never dropped

[exotic tendon]

is that the il faut thing...?

[light vessel]

So, yes, the second one is the right choice anyway, it's the most natural option in the modern french.

[cyan tiger]

yup though « falloir » is not the only trigger for the subjunctive

[light vessel]

But both are grammatically correct, just that the first one doesn't sound very natural.

[exotic tendon]

u guys r mad good at frennch

[unique trellis]

oh

[cyan tiger]

« je veux que ce soit un grand tableau »
(I want it to be a great painting)
If you want to know more, refer to this article

[unique trellis]

innit

[light vessel]

Yes, historically, it was the other way around. it started to shift about 50 years ago.

[cyan tiger]

well Sisyphe is French native (anyone with a blue username are natives) so it's expected

[unique trellis]

wowwww thats interesting

[exotic tendon]

damn i wish i was native. french exams would've been so much easier

[tough creek]

Do nos jours une négation sans "pas" (ou un autre adverbe de négation) ne se fait qu'avec quelques verbe (pouvoir, savoir, cesser, etc.)

Mais sachant que les personnes qui posent ces questions ne sont que des débutants, c'est vraiment pas utile de relever cet aspect histoirque de la négation en français

[unique trellis]

yup im doing french for 2 more months then im done

[exotic tendon]

same haha

[unique trellis]

i got an A in my recent assesments

[light vessel]

I disagree, I think it's quite interesting to have an explanation on it, it's quick to explain. But I don't think it's the right place to start a debate about it.

[exotic tendon]

that's great!

[tough creek]

If a person doesn't yet know how to use "ne…pas" correctely without making an error, it's really misleading and confusing to bring up exceedingly rare usages that only come up in literature

[exotic tendon]

does anyone mind checking the rest of my answer to a q in french? to make sure there aren't any gramatical errors

[tough creek]

don't ask to ask, just ask

[exotic tendon]

here it is:

[light vessel]

That's exactly why I brought it up, because reading it will be confusing. And if you read anything french, you will encounter it, because as far as I know, learners don't work on twitter.

[tough creek]

Someone who's a beginner isn't at risk of coming across literary usages of 'ne' yet. Again, they still haven't mastered basic usages of 'ne…pas' so it's really above their level to bring it up

[tough creek]

Pretty good.
Don't forget:

• Accents aren't optional
• Your third sentence works gramamtically, but it's probably not what you meant to say. You may want to revise the difference between the passé composé and the imparfait

[exotic tendon]

oh okay, my french teacher never really put emphasis on the accents so yeah...

[tough creek]

You'll definitely want to get in the habit of using accents if you intend to keep going with French, even if your teacher doesn't put much emphasis on it (and to be honest, I think that's a really bad practice for your teacher to get you into)

If you don't already have a keyboard capable of typing accents intalled on your computer, you should check this out:

[broken ruin]

Il existe plusieurs méthodes pour taper les accents. Le plus facile est d'installer une disposition de clavier mieux adaptée à les taper.

There are several ways to type accents. The easiest way to do this is to install keyboard layout that facilitates typing them.

Popular keyboard layouts // Dispositions populaires :

• Canadian Multilingual Standard (CSA on macOS): https://kbdlayout.info/kbdcan
• US International: https://kbdlayout.info/KBDUSX/
• QWERTY-FR: https://qwerty-fr.org/
• BÉPO: https://kbdlayout.info/kbdfrnb

To install and change keyboard layouts // Comment installer et changer de disposition :

• Windows: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/manage-the-input-and-display-language-settings-in-windows-12a10cb4-8626-9b77-0ccb-5013e0c7c7a2
• macOS: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchlp1406/mac
• Android (Gboard): https://support.google.com/gboard/answer/6380730?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid#zippy=%2Cchoose-languages-layouts
• iOS: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph73b71eb/ios

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[exotic tendon]

oh alright, i'll take that into account