#Gender of unknown person/object

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serene escarpBOT
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lost lake
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Will there be cases where you and another person have different opinions on what an object is, so you end up referring to it as different pronouns (le vs la)?

iron ether
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@lost lake all objects have gramatical gender. so you would have to learn it, there is no one object without it. IN THE RARE OCCASION that it is a thought, a guess etc, the default is il/le

as for people the default is 'il' (he), HOWEVER some people USE 'iel' as their pronoun, that is a pormanteau of il and elle. THIS IS NOT FOR UNKNOWN GENDER, this is solely for people who use iel.

iron ether
lost lake
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Not that you disagree on what gender an object is, but you simply can't be sure what the object is

iron ether
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X: Alex va arriver dans quelque minutes
Y: IL prends le train ou le bus?

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here alex could be any gender

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and it just takes the first speaker to correct them if alex doesnt use il

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X: Non, elle conduit

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just like in mandarin, we use 他 in writing if unknown

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all it takes is someone to correct to 她 ;)

lost lake
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How about babies or animals? Can you ask by saying "c'est un garçon ou une fille?"

iron ether
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or again the parent/owner can correct you if you mess up

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X: C'est ton bébé? Il est mignon~!
Y: Oui, c' est une fille, elle s'appelle Marie, et oui elle est mignonne

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X: C'est ton chat?
Y: Ouais c'est ma chatte, elle est très fatigue toujours

lost lake
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For bébé, you can say either ton bébé or ta bébé, correct?

iron ether
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regardless of gender

lost lake
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Then should I say "Ton bébé est très mignon" or "mignonne", if I know it's a girl?

iron ether
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mignon to agree with bébé

lost lake
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I see, so grammatical gender takes precedence over biological gender

iron ether
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yes

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gendered adj always takes the gender of the noun its agreeing to

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it only agrees with the persons gender if the noun also reflects such

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une fille mignonNE

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un garçon mignoN

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un bébé (regardless) mignon

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une personne mignonne

lost lake
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Ok, but say if I am to rephrase "ton bébé (une fille) est très mignon" to "ton bébé est une jolie fille!" then the adj agrees with the "fille" instead of "bébé"?

iron ether
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yes

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because we are agreeing jolie to fille instead of bébé in the second example

lost lake
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the parts before and after être don't have to agree

iron ether
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no

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the adj needs to agree with the noun its with only

lost lake
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Ok I see. I think the dots are connected for me

iron ether
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as jolie is agreeing with fille, we can disregard bébé

iron ether
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lmk if you have any questions

lost lake
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Merci beaucoup!

iron ether
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不用客氣😇

serene escarpBOT
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Gender of unknown person/object

iron ether
# lost lake Merci beaucoup!

one addition, the default il is in french outside of people/obj. the concepts of 'it' in english is il, it's 3 o'clock (il est 3 heures), it's cold (il fait chaud), it's raining (il pleut)

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i completely forgot

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fogive me its like 5am

lost lake
iron ether
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我是睡不著跟你的問題沒關係呀

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🥲🥲🥲🥲🥹🥹🥹

lost lake