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[gilded urchin]

remplissait des branches sounds wrong

is this structure just not possible

[regal pollen]

« des branches » is possible but only if it's a specific kind of branch

« Il faut remplir le vase de branches »
« Il faut remplir le vase des branches que tu as ramassées »

[gilded urchin]

yeh but if u wanted to say "filled it with the branches" but with no clause following

[regal pollen]

then it's « de »

[gilded urchin]

interesting

even if its specific

thank you

[fluid niche]

Huh

[regal pollen]

Do you say, 'pocket full of coins' or 'pocket full of the coins'?

[fluid niche]

I think bertie misread maybe

"with the" => des
"with" => de

[regal pollen]

Oh yeah sorry

I only saw the « with no clause following »

[fluid niche]

De + des = de
De + les = des

Basically

Which is why "avec des" works cuz it's a different preposition not de + des

It's avec + des

[gilded urchin]

i think one thing i struggle with now is knowing to know which prep to use

de avec or à

[fluid niche]

Avec les = des
Avec des = de

[gilded urchin]

to mean with

[fluid niche]

Uh

[gilded urchin]

like going back to the other thread

Le passait de la pommade

u said was completely wrong

[fluid niche]

That's not a preposition

Yeah

[gilded urchin]

yeh no i mean "de" being used here to mean with

la pommade in this case refering to a specific ointement

like je le passait de la pommade que j'ai achetée la semaine dernière

[regal pollen]

erm, « la pommade » ?

[fluid niche]

Ok so "lui passait de la pommade"
"Le" would force it to be a direct object and thus not a preposition

Or

Idk I'm confusing myself

Anyways

Ok actually yeah it's not a preposition at all

[gilded urchin]

de la pommade im not refering to the partitive here

[fluid niche]

In either case

[gilded urchin]

but if u use "de" as to mean "with" or the "manner which u do something"

and "la pommade" refering to a specific ointment

[fluid niche]

Uh

[gilded urchin]

like how am i supposed to know when to use "à" "de" or "avec" is it context

or i mean memory

[fluid niche]

Passer de la pommade à qqn
This is a direct object using the partitive, no preposition

So you're referring to something else ig

[fluid niche]

The verb

Each verb has its own set of prepositions

It's random between languages

[gilded urchin]

yeh thats true

[fluid niche]

Sometimes you can find patterns, but for the most part it's just memorization

[gilded urchin]

but for some uses of the prepositions dont seem verb based

yeh ok

[regal pollen]

I feel like there is some sort of pattern with a big portion of verbs that you'll just get by practice

I used to write « à propos de » a lot to translate 'about' but now my brain instinctively goes for « de » and I'll be right about 60-70% of the time

[fluid niche]

Those ones are usually grammatical and tend to have clearer patterns but there are so many it's hard to go over them all

[gilded urchin]

like for this use of "de how would u distinguish it from "avec"

i mean when to use avec or de

are they interchangle

[fluid niche]

Sometimes they are

Avec feels kind of separate from you if that makes sense