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[thick olive]

holy sh

[clever pelican]

[thick olive]

what is this part?

[lament jewel]

i found this automatic ipa-izer a while ago let me see if i can find it

[clever pelican]

o*kE:R

[thick olive]

au Caire ?

[clever pelican]

yup

[thick olive]

gotcha

so the only things I noticed on first read is "bouquet" (should be /bu.kɛ/ not /bu.ke/) and the fact that you wrote "d'fleurs" right after that instead of "de fleurs", which would be correct but only informally

usually <an> is /ɑ̃/ not /ã/

(it's [ã] in Québécois though)

we don't have long vowels, too

[clever pelican]

ah well, my professor decided the ɑ̃ is a thing of the past 💀 we dont include it in the ipa

[thick olive]

is it supposed to be Canadian French?

[clever pelican]

not that i am aware

[thick olive]

weird, the European <an> is really never [ã] afaik

although many people pronounce it kinda central, like me

[clever pelican]

[thick olive]

also you're not supposed to transcribe whole sentences in just one string of characters but maybe there's a reason to that?

[clever pelican]

idk i've been taught like so

what is it supposed to look like even

[thick olive]

lol I'll make one hold on

[il i a œ̃ bu.kɛ də flœʁ blø dɑ̃ l‿ɑ̃.tʁe]

spaces between words, dots between syllables, ‿ for liaisons and clitics

[clever pelican]

interesting

we were explicitly told not to make spaces between words

[thick olive]

so much easier to read

[patent sphinx]

third one is « Elle a les yeux bleus » ?

[thick olive]

yeah I thought your teacher must have a justification for it

yeah

[ɛl a le.z‿jø blø]

[clever pelican]

surely easier to read:')

[thick olive]

btw I'm marking it down as narrow but it looks more like broad

so would be in order

[clever pelican]

narrow?broad?

[thick olive]

broad is phonology
narrow is phonetics

broad is concerned with phonemes
narrow is concerned with the actual, precise pronunciation

broad is
narrow is

[clever pelican]

oh those

so what u did there is phonology?

[thick olive]

I mean, I used square brackets because you did, but apart from a few quirks this looks more like a phonological transcription yeah

I can't explain the use of long vowels, assuming that's also something your teacher taught you

[thick olive]

this is the first time I see paedagogical material concerned with vowel length in French

it's sensible enough, but weirdly specific

[clever pelican]

i suppose that's what i get for choosing to major in french
if you want, i could send you reset of my materials for my phonetics course, it's about 20 pages?

[thick olive]

too much text for me lol

[clever pelican]

reassuring 💀 started to think my prof was misleading me

[thick olive]

well, reading the few example sentences outloud, I can confirm that I do long vowels in the environments they describe

I don't do much gemination in my dialect except with syncope (when a syllable is dropped) but what they describe about it is sensible too

I'm just unsure if it'll actually be useful to you but if you have all the context for such narrow transcriptions it can't hurt

[clever pelican]

well, i suppose it's for students who want to get masters in phonetics
anyway
thanks for corrections
would it be okay to tag you here if i come across anything else regarding ipa today? got a midterm tmr x)

[thick olive]

yw!
and sure, go ahead

[cedar epoch]

for some god forsaken reason that's also how we were taught to do it in my first phonetics class

i think i complained about it a few years ago in #linguistique