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[thorn merlin]

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[warm sluice]

don't ask to ask, just ask

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[kind sluice]

alr so am very beginner at this stuff i have been skipping tenses the whole academic year and now i need to do them. I have all the formations and stuff but Idk where to use them. I have written some indicators but they dont seem to be enough.
I am now stuck at this q

Lorsque mes amies s'etaient habillees, elles ____ ( partir ).
I thought the answer was "seront parti" as lorsque was there which is an indicator of futur anterieur but it doesnt seem to be the case

the answer seems to be sont parties

@warm sluice

[warm sluice]

so this isn't just a tense thing, it's a question of what's called "concordance des temps" in French

are you a native English speaker, btw?

[kind sluice]

nah am indian but i can speak pretty well

[warm sluice]

ok, well, just wondering because there are parallels between how French and English do stuff like this, although English is a bit freer

Once my friends had gotten dressed, they ___________________

in English you need to use the simple past in that structure

well, in French, it's the passé composé

[kind sluice]

idk dude we didnt have any topic like this in our syllabus. All we were made to do were several tenses and then given their formations. I found their indicators on my own and it seems to work for few qs only

[kind sluice]

idk how to translate tho

how will i do in exams

can you give an indicator that indicates the use of passe compose in this case

ex - lorsque is an indicator for futur anterieur

[warm sluice]

it's not just lorsque, it's the tense that follows

[kind sluice]

yes but if the tense wasnt there and instead there was a blank u can use lorsque to know which tense to use

so can u tell me the indicator in this case

@warm sluice

[calm kayak]

Lorsque doesn't tell you what tense to use

You have to understand the sentence

[warm sluice]

This page has some details about lorsque (and a few other temporal conjunctions) https://www.thoughtco.com/quand-in-french-1368933

[kind sluice]

fr ? it worked for few qs tho

[warm sluice]

if you get lucky, sure

[kind sluice]

damn

alr teach me your way then i am willing to learn cause idts i have anyother options

@warm sluice

so the answer is sont parti ?

[warm sluice]

I'm unfortunately about to start a meeting and the topic you're asking about is verrrrrrry broad, so I couldn't just explain it all to you, even if I had time

[kind sluice]

alr just this q

the answer in book is written sont parties

[warm sluice]

sorry, I'm in a meeting, bye!

[kind sluice]

even though the past participle is parti

why so

alr

[calm kayak]

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/passe-compose/

[kind sluice]

ur in a meeting too ?

[calm kayak]

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/auxiliary-verbs/

What

[kind sluice]

.

[calm kayak]

Yes?

[kind sluice]

Lorsque mes amies s'etaient habillees, elles __ ( partir ).

but using passe compose the answer should be sont parti

[calm kayak]

I'm literally giving you links explaining

[kind sluice]

is the book wrong ?

[tight plover]

no

you've gotta read up on what changes when you conjugate with être

[calm kayak]

.

[kind sluice]

1. l'année derniere, nos cousines sommes parti ( partir ) en vacances.
2. Te reposes ( se reposer ), si tu es fatigue.
3. Il a achete une nouvelle villa quand elle aura vendu ( vendre ) son ancienne villa.
4. Le train va arriver ( arriver ) dans deux heures.
5. Il se couche ( se coucher ) a 8h tous les jours.
6. Achete ( Acheter ) tout ce que tu veux.
7. J'ecoutais de la musique quand je me serai promene ( se promener ) dans le jardin ce matin.
   crct ?

@calm kayak

[tight plover]

1. past participle must agree with the noun

[kind sluice]

so partis ?

[tight plover]

parties

[kind sluice]

oh alr

[tight plover]

since cousines are feminine

2nd one should be repose-toi, although i'm not sure as to why

[kind sluice]

i see

rest are correct ?

goal is 5/7

[calm kayak]

1 is wrong

well

1, 2, 3, 7 are all wrong

[kind sluice]

damn

[tight plover]

4 is debatable too no?

[calm kayak]

why

[steady sand]

technically 6 is also wrong since there are no accents

[tight plover]

2h is a bit far for futur proche

[kind sluice]

tell the mistakes brother

[tight plover]

but i guess it could work

[calm kayak]

no?

[steady sand]

doesn't work like that

[kind sluice]

i cant do that am on a kb

i dont have any extensions to let me do it

[calm kayak]

you dont need extensions

[thorn merlin]

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[tight plover]

how does it work then?

[calm kayak]

futur proche and futur simple are pretty much interchangeable in most contexts

[steady sand]

Well futur proche does talk about an event in the future that is earlier and more assured than futur simple but there's no cut-off point

for the majority of cases, they're pretty much interchangeable

[calm kayak]

there are a few that force futur simple but that's usually for shit with quand

[steady sand]

1 is wrong because « être » is conjugated to the wrong person (sommes goes for « nous »), and the past participle (parti) has to agree with the subject (nos cousines – feminine not masculine) with « être » as an auxiliary
2 is wrong because in the imperative, the reflexive won't stay back and « reposes » is wrong
3 is wrong because « elle aura vendu » would be an event in the future (well it's past-in-future but point is that it's future first) – called the futur antérieur tense – but « il a acheté » is in the past
7 is wrong because you used the wrong tense (it's the futur antérieur again)

[kind sluice]

is 5th wrong ?

or anything else wrong

[steady sand]

no

[kind sluice]

alr man tysm

[steady sand]

if it's not mentioned there it's fine

[kind sluice]

great help

@steady sand in 5th one dont we use imparfait for habitual actions how are we not using it here

@steady sand

[steady sand]

Imparfait would imply he used to go to sleep at 20.00 but now no longers do so

« Il se couchait à 8h tous les jours »
-> implies that he used to sleep at 20.00 but maybe now he goes to sleep at 21.00 or 22.00 instead

[kind sluice]

got it

@steady sand what is the answer for 3 and 7

[steady sand]

Answer that yourself

Me giving it to you won't let you learn

All I can say is: read concordance des temps

[kind sluice]

I am not trying to get answers to an assignment I am trying to prepare for a test if u tell me the answers it will help me not do it the next time

[kind sluice]

oh alr thx

[steady sand]

same thing

just read that article and tell me which would be right

[kind sluice]

alright the article seems helpful thx ill get back to this when i have read it

[kind sluice]

is the third gonna be futur simple ?

same with 7th

[steady sand]

What makes you think that?

considering that none of the future tenses would be logical according to that article I just sent

[kind sluice]

you said we have used past already and we need to use future. If Futur anteirure is not the answer then I thought that future simple it must be

[steady sand]

I didn't say that we needed to use the future but that you HAD USED the future there

I was describing your error; I wasn't giving you the correction

[kind sluice]

oh

[steady sand]

again, read the article I just sent you

[kind sluice]

oh alr got it its either passe compose or imparfait

cause the first part is in past

then the 2nd part has to be in past or else it wont make sense

@steady sand

[steady sand]

bingo

now the question is: imparfait or passé composé?

Read this if you're confused

[kind sluice]

so its imparfait ig cause the action has been repeated

@steady sand

[steady sand]

Well, « imparfait » is used for things that have duration while « passé composé » is used for actions

[kind sluice]

ok nvm its passe compose

i translated it wrong

[steady sand]

now number 7 has an answer but number 3 can take either IMO

because I don't see the relationship between the two clauses

[kind sluice]

how is selling houses habitual or repeated

so it cant be imparfait right

[steady sand]

Imparfait isn't just about habitual actions

[kind sluice]

3 rd is passe compose 7th is imparfait

[steady sand]

looks good

much better than me just telling you that

[kind sluice]

so is it correct ?

[steady sand]

yes

[kind sluice]

thanks man i am so happy that ihave finally started understanding this topic.

thanks to you 🛐

[kind sluice]

64. 5th one can we write
    Il me demande ce que je mange la viande.

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[calm kayak]

dont just randomly ping tutors without trying to get help first, the ping is for complex issues that need more eyes on it for confirmation

[kind sluice]

Oh my bad i didn't know that

[calm kayak]

if you have a new question just make a new post in #salle-de-classe
but since you've already posted it here - no
what you wrote is basically "He's asking me that which I eat meat" which makes no sense

What are you trying to say

[kind sluice]

Direct to indirect

64. 5th

[calm kayak]

I see the question, I'm asking what you're trying to say

[kind sluice]

He asked me if I eat meat

I think this might be the translation but not exactly

[calm kayak]

okay

do you know how to say "if"

[kind sluice]

Si?

@calm kayak

[calm kayak]

yep

in this case you can just slap it in there without issue

[kind sluice]

Oh alr I didn't sctually expect my translation to be correct I tried using theory given in text book to help convert but anyways thanks.