Trade Law Change | Eco | Page 1

willow nymph Oct 10, 2022, 12:13 AM

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Please add a part of the trade laws that either defines loaning money as a form of trade or requires loans to be done via contract board. this cycle has been a pain to keep track of whether anyone is breaking laws or not with all the direct transfer loans <@&807619796924497940>

untold sphinx Oct 10, 2022, 12:54 AM

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I would say the latter; trades of all kind should be conducted either using: shops, or contract boards. That way there is paper trails.

A bit off topic, but loans should not be taxed/income scaled. This makes them untenable for a lot of people, and finance in Eco is already hard enough to facilitate as is.

willow nymph Oct 10, 2022, 1:06 AM

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Yeah the first statement is if they want it to just fall under current trade law. The effect is mostly the same

willow nymph Oct 10, 2022, 7:25 PM

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to add on to this, can buying something then selling at your own shop for markup be illegal (scalping). the reason i say at your own shop is because if youre selling at someone elses shop that falls under the delivery service stuff and i dont want that outlawed accidentally

sterile viper Oct 10, 2022, 7:53 PM

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1Abusing one's market position to block or hinder competition from entering or participating in the free market

willow nymph Oct 10, 2022, 7:54 PM

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the problem is then the argument is made that the person initially selling the goods is getting their money, so not really hurting competition, just hurting the consumer

sterile viper Oct 10, 2022, 7:54 PM

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While not explicit, I think the intent of this law is to protect free trade, and scalping hurts free trade

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It's very gray at best

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It's hard to codify scalping

slow ridge Oct 10, 2022, 7:58 PM

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I would say scalping doesnt hurt free trade. The consumer, the scalper, still buys the products thus the trade happens. Its not blocked and its not like the scalper is 100% going to make their money back. Its scummy, sure, but its not really an illegal matter. Many states in the US dont have scalping laws, and the ones that do tend to allow it with a special license. Now if you dont allow people to sell goods for x/y/z, that could be restricting trade and thus potentially violating the trade law. Everyone deserves equal access to all goods and services.

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*provided by the seller

sterile viper Oct 10, 2022, 7:58 PM

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The simple answer to scalping is for their competition to just over produce. Use up all the scalpers buying potential and then still provide goods at the lower value

slow ridge Oct 10, 2022, 8:00 PM

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The only thing i think thats cant be scalped and is seen as hording would be scrolls. If someone buys them all up, they cant resell them so thats just straight up stopping others from entering the market.

willow nymph Oct 10, 2022, 8:02 PM

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sterile viper The simple answer to scalping is for their competition to just over produce. Use...

what about high end goods like trucks and stuff? harder to mass produce

sterile viper Oct 10, 2022, 8:03 PM

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Also harder to buy up

slow ridge Oct 10, 2022, 8:03 PM

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The store still gets the goods and can then buy up more raw resources to make more

sterile viper Oct 10, 2022, 8:03 PM

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You can also just have producers direct sell in cases like that

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As for your original request, banning direct transfers altogether would probably help clear things up and dissuade some white collar crime

willow nymph Oct 10, 2022, 8:08 PM

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yeah, if they are banned outright, then a part in the text should be written explaining how to gift via contract boards, might need testing

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however even just banning loaning via direct transfer helps

lapis horizon Oct 10, 2022, 9:56 PM

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While I'm not experienced enough in this application to guess at unintended consequences, preventing direct transfer would also allow for some beneficial reconsiderations of how Companies can become more structurally balanced.

I'm all for fairness in game-play, and I think the rules/laws around the Company concept have the right intentions, but they seem to be very focused on mitigating the benefits of streamlining materials pipelining.

As a player who comes in looking at the part of companies that allow a group of friends to act like a clan/guild/corp/whatever moreso than to specifically maximize the stream of resources... eg share a common bank account, the current laws basically incentivize players to operate towards what the "Argent group" seems to have been abusing to the extreme.

My friends and I don't really care even though we're only really playing a very little very little in the direction of "maximum pipeline" and have far too wide a set of not-entirely aligned specs. We do still benefit from shared account, single house, and storage access (not nearly 50+% tax rate benefit but that's ok). We're just having fun figuring out game mechs and social mechs of the #white-tiger server.

I don't have any recommendations to propose at this point and won't bash the system without having meaningful recommendations to address issues raised. But again, this whole big blob of text started by reinforcing the "preventing direct transfer" idea. The allowance of that seems to be a huge disincentive factor away from using companies.

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