Comic Books & Graphic Novels

[blazing loom]

i fuckin hyena laugh at that scene every goddamn time

[normal heron]

Dude for real

[blazing loom]

Antman and the Wasp wasnt perfect by a longshot but it still nailed the humor imo

[normal heron]

Ant Man is great

[normal heron]

Yeah it's not a top tier Marvel movie but it did nail the humor

Scott Lang's friend cracks me up

[blazing loom]

Michael Pena is the actor

Luis is the character's name

also T.I. was in those movies as one of scott's friends
for some reason

the rapper

[normal heron]

Yes! That's him

He was hilarious man

I gotta rewatch Ant Man

[normal heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSkZ6sgrcV0

New teaser!

[normal heron]

@blazing loom

Yup

[blazing loom]

some review said it had inconsistant pacing or something

but generally it seems to be doing well critically

[normal heron]

It's an MCU show. I get it. But still 98%. That's Black Panther level

41K people boutta look real stupid

[elfin gorge]

Based on 10 reviews

[normal heron]

The trend is going to continue

[elfin gorge]

Yeah, just not a big enough sample size to extrapolate anything from yet, moon knight's score is based on 232 reviews

[warm merlin]

I could give it a 0 and that'd impact the score heavily

[elfin gorge]

I think it spells well for it being positively received but I wouldn't expect 98%

[normal heron]

I mean on RT it's got one negative review based on 59 that's a good start

[elfin gorge]

Oh I thought that 10 reviews there was what the RT score was based on but now I see the 80

Also 41k dislikes out of 842k ratings makes 95% approval

[normal heron]

Yeah that one with the 80 is Metacritic

[normal heron]

I know lol

That part was just a goofy

[elfin gorge]

95% audience score tho

[warm merlin]

P good

I'm not staying up all night to see it at 3am

But I'll watch it tomorrow

[normal heron]

I think the audience score will be much lower because of racist mfs calling it woke and racist against white people

[elfin gorge]

I think people forget that having more than 90% of the reviews for a movie be positive is fucking insanely good critical reception. Film criticism has been kinda diluted

[warm merlin]

People review bombed Moon Knight because they are Armenian Genocide deniers

People review bombed Kenobi because a strong black woman is one of the main characters

[elfin gorge]

Yeah crowd-sourced review scores aren't worth shit either direction

[warm merlin]

Yup

[normal heron]

I feel like it'll be something like this

[elfin gorge]

Well the metacritic score is based on far too small of a sample size to guess anything, what are you basing that prediction on?

Like it could go way up, it could go way down, I'm just curious where the predictions are coming from

Because there aren't really answers to draw from data yet I dunno I'm looking at tv reviews analytically for fun right now

Curious if you had something else you were basing that on that wasn't a review aggregator

Like what the general expectation from people is outside of usual MCU hype

What points to it being so good

[normal heron]

Just looking at movies like Black Panther, Turning Red, Ghostbusters 2016 that got a lot of praise but had extreme differences in critic and audience scores because they dealt with themes and people that didn't go so well with conservatives

[elfin gorge]

Oh yeah I totally agree with the expectation of there being a major difference in audience and critical reception

[warm merlin]

Only white straight males exist in cinema and movies that deviate from that narrative are woke liberal trash

[normal heron]

Add Captain Marvel to this list. If Brie Larson shows up it's game over for the audience score

[elfin gorge]

I just was wondering what points to this being an exceptionally well-made show or not as opposed to just a generally average-good one

Seems kinda like if every at-all-good movie or show gets a through the roof critical reception it's hard to tell what actually stands out in quality

Is there something special about the production of this ms. marvel show that sets the expectation that it'll be like, groundbreaking? I haven't seen any promotional material and that's the POV I'm asking from

[normal heron]

I think something that points to it being well made is style

It oozes Into The Spider-Verse vibes

[warm merlin]

Does it??

[normal heron]

Yeah

Scott Pilgrim too

[elfin gorge]

Into the spider-verse is a gorgeously animated movie, this looks to be live action? What gives that vibe

If I think of into the spider-verse having a style it's totally the animation

Other than that it's pretty typical goofy-kid-turned-superhero with his rag-tag team

[normal heron]

The editing, the speech bubbles, soundtrack (from the trailer at least) and the lightheartedness

[elfin gorge]

Oh that's interesting and I could how that would be a nice aesthetic if it's more than just speech bubbles

[normal heron]

Yeah it is

It's got like Minecraft particle effects lol

[warm merlin]

It a very well executed example of that

[elfin gorge]

Very much but the animation makes it actually stand out IMO, wouldn't be anywhere near the same movie without it

[warm merlin]

Fair

So many people complained about the movie lol

They called it cheap for not being super fluid animation

[normal heron]

I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be super fluid lmfao

[elfin gorge]

Honestly the animation style made it one of the few actually unique superhero movies

Yeah that was very much a stylistic choice

[normal heron]

It looks like digital stop motion and I love it

[warm merlin]

Pretty sure it was both a cost saving thing and a stylistic choice

Miles is animated at a different rate than the others until he gets his act together at the end

I think

[elfin gorge]

A superhero comic movie/show that doesn't have something strongly stylistic/artistic like that movie's animation really has to lean into the writing/character development side to actually be anything significant at this point especially with the sheer quantity of superhero stuff there is anymore

[warm merlin]

Right

[normal heron]

Wtf is RogerEbert.com doing 😭

[elfin gorge]

Like if ms marvel is just a typical teen show with moderately developed characters and a baseline interesting lead, meh

[elfin gorge]

I mean, those could all be very valid points

There's a plethora of teen dramas and comedies out there, if you don't do anything new with it what's the point

[normal heron]

Seriously doubt that first sentence

[elfin gorge]

Yeah the first sentence is a tad excessive

But I could see the bit about stale parent/teen dynamics being valid

That's what I was just trying to say

Representation is key and that is a strength of ms marvel as a character

[normal heron]

Same. But that's how it is in the comic book so I'm not upset with it. I fully expected it

I mean she's got overprotective parents and she wants to do things on her own

It's not original but it is done well

[elfin gorge]

I hope they deeply explore the cultural dynamic there to make it truly compelling. Representation is important to push and regardless of how well the show is written that is very much a strength, but it would be a disservice honestly to go light on the cultural/interpersonal side and just have it largely be a run of the mill teen drama

[normal heron]

It seems to me they really are going to explore the religious side of the show based on what I've seen in the promotional material. Quotes from the Quran are in some of the trailers. They have some shots of them in a mosque too. Also basically the entire production team is representative of who's in the show and who the show is aimed at.

[normal heron]

@blazing loom Highest rated MCU project ever

[blazing loom]

i'll be watching it in roughly 3 hours

give or take

im gonna get home in about 2, and im gonna watch kenobi first

[normal heron]

That's fair

Wait that was 3 hours ago

So how was it?

[normal heron]

Hey look what did I tell you it's getting review bombed

Fuckin racists

[blazing loom]

Thats fuckin wack

[normal heron]

They did it with Black Panther too

You can tell they're review bombers too because their accounts only have one review 💀

[blazing loom]

no i just finished it

[normal heron]

Oh okay

[blazing loom]

like 5 secs ago

[normal heron]

No spoilers how was it?

[blazing loom]

I am legitimately impressed by this series

[normal heron]

Skeets approval is all I need

[blazing loom]

The style, the heart, the humor
Everything

[normal heron]

Yeah I'm super excited to see it

[blazing loom]

you haven't?

well fuck

[normal heron]

Sorry bro I gotta volunteer at my karate's summer camp

[blazing loom]

I think this is probably the single most visually impressive MCU project i've seen in phase 4

[normal heron]

Can it be compared to Spider Verse?

[blazing loom]

right when it starts all up to the credits
Flair

vibrant colors

[blazing loom]

i don't think it needs to be compared to anything really

[normal heron]

Hmmm I see

Well I'm super stoked to watch it

I am a big Ms. Marvel stan as you know

[blazing loom]

I mean it stands on its own

[normal heron]

I might break out the Kamala collection in celebration of this show's release

[blazing loom]

Also here's the really ironic thing
I think I enjoyed it more than today's episode of Kenobi

[normal heron]

👀

Ok I see

Well I'll be watching it around 9 PM EST (it's late but I've got a packed day today)

So I'll try and ping you right when it's over and we can talk about it

[coral salmon]

There was so much weird discourse around this episode

Homophobic stuff too like what the fuck lol

[normal heron]

https://thedirect.com/article/ms-marvel-review-bombed-imdb-disney-premiere

[normal heron]

@blazing loom Joker 2 is officially happening and the title is revealed

Joker: Folie a Deux

A madness shared by two

Hopefully not named after the Fall Out Boy album Folie a Deux

[blazing loom]

umm
you do know i hated that movie right

was not a fan

[normal heron]

I did not actually

Sorry I thought you just might be interested

[blazing loom]

I understand
I didn't mean to sound rude
It's just that I've told many people here about my disdain for that movie

[normal heron]

Nah it's cool

But THIS is NOT cool

FIRE THIS FUCKFACE DC

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR

https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-accused-by-parents-of-18-year-old-activist-who-say-actor-groomed-child/

[warm merlin]

it's also after one episode lol

[warm merlin]

oh

[warm merlin]

oh...

[normal heron]

Critics get to see episodes in advance I'm pretty sure

[normal heron]

They need to FIRE THEM

@blazing loom About to start watching Ms. Marvel

[warm merlin]

@blazing loom ill be hopme in fifteen minutes

[normal heron]

@blazing loom Ms. Marvel is the best thing Marvel has ever released

10/10

Literally could not have done better

This is the best MCU project of all time

[blazing loom]

I'm not gonna agree with that but I think it's absolutely fantastic

[normal heron]

Hell yeah dude

By the way

I got peak comic book today

[blazing loom]

If I had to estimate there are about 30 MCU projects currently released so
im not gonna immediately believe its better than everything

Because believe me I've watched literally everything in the MCU

[normal heron]

As have I

[warm merlin]

I stopped watching half way theough

Got bored

[normal heron]

Bruh how

[blazing loom]

we didnt get to talk much about it

[elfin gorge]

I'm a few minutes into ms marvel and this is really great

[dry oyster]

im excited to start watching it this weekend

[warm merlin]

I finished it and I enjoyed the end of the episode

idk why I was bored. It wasn't because I didn't like the characters or anything

[normal heron]

How did you like it?

[normal heron]

Also yeah we didn't. Sorry

[elfin gorge]

I thought it was really great and so far like Kamala khan a lot more on the show than I do in the comic

[normal heron]

What didn't you like about her in the comic? Just curious

[elfin gorge]

Comic always came off to me as kind of obnoxiously teenage almost like a caricature

But the show one so far feels much more real and less like an adult trying to talk like a kid

Adults writing teenagers can be really hit or miss

[normal heron]

I understand that. I personally really liked the comic. Especially the G Willow Wilson stuff (volume 1)

But yeah I think they really nailed the character and oh my God Iman Vellani is going to be a star

[blazing loom]

@normal heron this ezra miller stuff is just sad
maybe they should just make Grant Gustin the DCEU flash

[normal heron]

They absolutely should

He's a better fit for the role anyways

[blazing loom]

and like, not problematic at all lol
definitely true if he's stayed for as long as he has on the show

[normal heron]

Yeah Grant Gustin is just better

The fact that DC hasn't fired Miller is downright shameful

[blazing loom]

i don't quite feel the writing ever quite fully captured the humor of that character but whenever they tried, Grant's charisma definitely sold it

he has bravas

for sure

its just that CW shows are pretty formulaic

[normal heron]

Yeah I think Grant is great for Barry Allen

With better writing and a higher budget Flash could be a great show

[blazing loom]

it used to be
seasons 1 and 2 were quite good

but i get your point

[normal heron]

They were more entertaining but if you REALLY take a look at it with a critical eye the writing was NOT good

But it was just dumb fun TV

I really liked it

[blazing loom]

yeah you right lmao

I just used to be a really big fan of Cisco

loved that character

[normal heron]

I liked Cisco a lot

[blazing loom]

me too

[normal heron]

Him becoming Vibe was also cool

[blazing loom]

Yeah

because that alter ego is actually comic accurate

was nice

I didnt even realize for a while that he was an actual comic character
I'm pretty sure he is

[blazing loom]

also Tom Felton (from harry potter lol) as Julian Albert was the weirdest thing lol
got added to the cast because of flashpoint then NEVER appeared again after that season

i distinctly remember that

[normal heron]

Yup I remember that too

It had a decent cast

[blazing loom]

It blew my mind when I realized the actress who played Caitlyn Snow/Killer Frost was also the older sister from Sky High

and also Tom Cavanagh (Dr. Wells/Reverse Flash) was on Scrubs

[normal heron]

I know lmao I loved Scrubs

[normal heron]

Sky High was a fun movie

[blazing loom]

except for the ending imo

the "turning everyone into literal babies" thing freaked me out as a kid

[normal heron]

Yeah the ending was kind of weird

[blazing loom]

thats one of the only things i ALWAYS remember from sky high

that and Bruce Campbell playing the gym teacher

[normal heron]

I still need to see Evil Dead :(

[blazing loom]

me too

i always just knew him as the dude who cameo'd in every 2000s spiderman movie

at least when i was younger

[stiff shell]

Sorry for the shitty photo quality, but here are the issues I picked a couple of days ago.

I’ve got the whole run for both 😎

[normal heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycOmFyQj_Ig

@blazing loom Speak of the devil

We were just talking about the CW lol

[blazing loom]

i heard superman and lois was actually good tho

[normal heron]

Yeah that might be the only good one left

[blazing loom]

also i hadnt actually heard about the gotham knights show

god that'll 100% be even worse than Titans on HBO Max

Titans did the exact same "no batman here's some younger sidekick characters" type thing
and season 2 actually made me want to burn down a building

[normal heron]

I'm not going to watch Titans

[blazing loom]

like my god they had no idea how to write these characters half the time

[normal heron]

I hear it's super edgy for no reason

[blazing loom]

and every choice they were making just made me madder and madder to the point of ragequitting at the very beginning of the season 2 finale

yeah, i didnt even watch the episode

and i dont know if i'll ever watch season 3 to be honest

i was getting really excited to see Dick's Nightwing costume and then all the other bullshit writing going on made me stop watching before i could see that thing in action

[blazing loom]

yup and somehow their deathstroke was mediocre at best

it makes the Arrow version of Deathstroke look like the BEST live action portrayal

which it is actually really good
im not roasting it here lol

but it was fuckin CW

and deathstroke deserves a proper big screen treatment

or at least tv with a bigger budget, which they actually kind of had with Titans
but they just goofed it

[normal heron]

They started to do something with him in the DCEU and then they just abandoned it

Like the DCEU does

[blazing loom]

i mean it was literally JUST a post credit scene

they expended on it a bit in the snyder cut but it still wasnt a full arc for the character

[normal heron]

Yeah true

But like they didn't build on it at all

We have no idea what was happening there

[blazing loom]

I honestly do recommend the first 2 seasons of Arrow

Malcolm Merlin and Deathstroke were both quality villains

Sure it's not really accurate to the comics and this version of Green Arrow is way too similar to Batman but it was quality tv

also it's weird to recommend skipping to season 5 but that was also a really good season

season 4 was abysmal

Seasons 3 and 6 were ok

7 and 8, uhh also ok
i think they wrapped up his character fine enough

[normal heron]

Yeah I've actually watched them

I think I stopped at season 4 actually

And yeah it was bad

[blazing loom]

that was just a really good version of deathstroke

imo

just really well written and i love the way he just puts oliver through the ringer

doesnt compare to Prometheus tho
that dude was on another level

if I could recommend just one more season of arrow for you to watch it would probably be season 5

prometheus must be experienced

Once again barely accurate to the comics but hes a really well written villain and clever too

[blazing loom]

I think I might be one of the few people that actually liked Damien Darhk but yeah everything else was just bleh

Neal McDonough just has so much charisma

[normal heron]

Wait Prometheus was in Arrow?

Zamn I thought he was normally a Batman villain

[blazing loom]

They did a weird thing were they completely remixed that character
they gave him the name Adrian Chase which is the name of Vigilante in the comics

[normal heron]

That's... super weird...

Also Skeet did you get the Fortnite/Marvel comic?

[blazing loom]

yeah its even more bizarre considering that they ALSO INCLUDED the character of Vigilante in that exact same season

his name was Vincent or something

[normal heron]

Alright that's just downright stupid

[blazing loom]

it is but from a storytelling perspective season 5 is still really good

[normal heron]

Good to know. I might revisit it

[blazing loom]

like ignoring the weird flipping around of comic names, Adrian Chase/Prometheus is one of the best villains i have seen in superhero tv

he might be up there with MCU Kingpin for me

[normal heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwue2Y6Ibno

@blazing loom

Spot confirmed

AYO SPIDER-WOMAN JESSICA DREW CONFIRMED TOO

Vulture confirmed as well!

[normal heron]

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/lady-gaga-joker-2-musical-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-1235293255/

This actually has to be a joke

There is NO way

[normal heron]

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/tim-sale-batman-the-long-halloween-artist-in-hospital/

Nononononono we can't lose George Perez Neal Adams AND Tim Sale in one year please God no

[normal heron]

https://thedirect.com/article/the-flash-ezra-miller-allegations-memes

@blazing loom Holy shit bro this dude is batshit insane

[blazing loom]

@normal heron I'm gonna watch the new episode

How many episodes of miss Marvel are there going to be do you know?

[warm merlin]

90

[blazing loom]

thanks that is super helpful
you are very intelligent

[normal heron]

6

And the new episode was bangin

[blazing loom]

oh for some reason i actually thought it would be longer

for some reason wandavision is still the longest one

[normal heron]

Yeah

Did you like episode 2?

[stiff shell]

Imma watch ep 2 tomorrow

The first one was good tho

I was slightly distracted while watching it, but I could still tell it was good shit.

[blazing loom]

i havent finished it

i watched the first 10 minutes

but got busy the rest of tonight

[normal heron]

Oh okay

Well let me know when you're finished and we can chat

[blazing loom]

it'll be some time today definitely

[normal heron]

Cool!

[normal heron]

https://twitter.com/artbysale/status/1537500528833228800?s=21&t=O8WV8ENsFBkJiW_Tvh1QHw

Remembering Tim Sale (@ArtBySale)

It’s with a heavy sadness that I must announce that Tim Sale passed away today. He passed with the love of his life beside him, and loves all of you very much. Please share photos and stories under this post, as we hope to share them with the community.

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RIP

[blazing loom]

@normal heron Bruno, have you ever seen a movie?
end of sentence

that just cracked me tf up

[normal heron]

I laughed at that too

Pizza and ice cream lmfao

[blazing loom]

that guidance counselor is so weird

and awkward with his metaphors

[normal heron]

Yeah

Also there is another grooming accusation against Ezra Miller 💀

https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-deactivates-instagram-as-child-is-granted-court-protection-over-uncomfortable-encounter/

This is a different 12 year old from the one before

[blazing loom]

@normal heron oh yeah btw i finished the episode

in spoiler tags, explain to me
who is this ||mysterious grandmother Kamala has that seemingly did something to make her family hate her? is she from the comics?||

||also why is the agent from NWH trying to capture her???||

[stiff shell]

||The crush situation was in the comics||

||But not the grandma||

||But she was an inhuman in the comics, in this show her powers are coming from a mystical bangle.
In the comics she also had the bangle btw, but it was mundane.||

[normal heron]

||No idea. As far as I know she's not||

[normal heron]

||Some think the DODC is trying to form a team but idk about that after this episode. They seem hostile.||

[blazing loom]

||Yeah i dont get their deal||

||Its nice they carried over the DODC agent from No way Home but man he's a dick||

[blazing loom]

||My immediate thought was that they had to be working for someone sinister||

||like maybe they aren't actually good guys||

[normal heron]

||They're definitely not lmao||

[blazing loom]

||and that maybe their mysterious boss is the main villain of the series||

Oh

[normal heron]

||I wonder if we'll get The Inventor||

Hopefully we do

[blazing loom]

There's gotta be a main villain right

[normal heron]

True

[blazing loom]

||so far no one opposing her except for these lame fbi agents or whatever||

also remember at the end
||were those the mysterio robots from FFH???||

sure looked like it

[normal heron]

Skeet I'm about to post a potential spoiler for something in the show that hasn't happened yet but I know it might happen because it happened in the comics

[blazing loom]

||howwwww tf did thwy get those ||

[normal heron]

They may have been actually

[blazing loom]

they reallllly looked like it

[normal heron]

||They're damage control maybe they just salvaged them||

[blazing loom]

True

[blazing loom]

Go ahead

i like using comics as a reference point

[normal heron]

||Kamran is going to end up being a bad guy||

[blazing loom]

Oh

yeah i didnt know that

||i like him so far||

[normal heron]

||You're supposed to. He comes off as a super likeable dude in the comics and it's revealed he's an Inhuman like Kamala. He was working for The Inventor the whole time and he is defeated when he punches with his thumb inside his fist 💀||

[blazing loom]

on that note id like to ask you a question

answer in spoiler tags of course

what aspects of this show are the most similar to the run of comics its based on?

so far

[normal heron]

||Actually kind of how/when she gets her powers. Also Zoe's party. In the comics she sneaks out to Zoe's party and the orange juice/vodka line is repeated almost verbatim. In the show she sneaks out to Avengercon. After she sneaks out in the comics she gets exposed to Terrigen mist and saves Zoe from drowning. After she goes to Avengercon in the show she puts on the bangle and saves Zoe from a fall. So yeah, there are similarities there. In fact, when I was watching episode 2 with my family and that kid said "just orange juice" I said to my parents "and some vodka" and they were wondering how I just knew lol. Fun references.||

Sorry for late response I was watching Breaking Bad

[stiff shell]

I really hope ||the inventor shows up. That’d be great. ||

[normal heron]

DUDE I WANT THIS SO BAD

This is all we have to go off of

[stiff shell]

As for|| kamran, I hope he turns out evil. That’d ad some noice spice to the plot. ||

[normal heron]

||A nice twist it really would be||

[stiff shell]

I didn’t know if they were gonna do it in the show||, but it looks like Bruno is being forsaken again >~<||

||Which is good for adding drama, but it makes me sad lol. ||

[normal heron]

||Dude I always felt so bad for Bruno. He's so nice and Kamala is all for Kamran and Red Dagger 😭||

[stiff shell]

||Yo, I love red dagger. But come on, he’s right there. He’s been putting up with your problems and sticking by your side for years. But she just turns a blind eye. ||

[normal heron]

||This exactly dude. Maybe we'll get a writer who will kick off the Kamala + Bruno romance. Would honestly be great||

[blazing loom]

yeah at this point i'll just say it, they are fucking insane

Don't care about the movie anymore, just bring them down

there is SO MUCH

https://youtu.be/hzBPHSgOQwY

has timestamps btw, you can find where they discuss ezra
its the second one

[normal heron]

"They're an elevated being and they would be lucky to have someone like me to guide them"

What a fucking creep

How has this person NOT been fired

Like what the fuck WB DO SOMETHING

And they taunted the fucking police after they're trying to locate them dude

Just... oh my God

Yes Ezra. This is absolutely a hate crime

[blazing loom]

The way I look at it is
The film is finished
They might need to take some time to figure out what they want to do in this situation

Of course they can fire him but that's going to heavily impact how they can market this film

And they should fire him, i'm not denying that

Just the fact they have to let go of their Flash will heavily damage them

[blazing loom]

and that film was struggling for quite awhile behind the scenes
apparently went through multiple script rewrites and a bunch of other shit

this flash movie took so long to be made and now their lead actor speedruns getting cancelled

its an absolute tragedy

[blazing loom]

@normal heron

[normal heron]

Whoops I saw this earlier but forgot to respond

[normal heron]

Yeah WB is not in the best of situations

Really though if I'm them I scrap the movie

Under no circumstances would I let a movie starring Ezra Miller to hit the big screen

Not saying it's an easy decision but I think it's right

Recast Flash for future projects and don't release the movie

Those are my thoughts

[blazing loom]

At the same time though it ruins Michael Keaton's big return as Batman

[normal heron]

Not really. He's in Batgirl

[blazing loom]

oh

i dont remember hearing that

[normal heron]

Batgirl is being directed by the same people doing Ms. Marvel

[blazing loom]

oh very intersting

I'm just really happy we're finally getting a movie based on someone from the bat family

that isnt batman obv lol

[normal heron]

We still need a fucking Batman movie lmfao

[blazing loom]

they deserve solo films just as much as the dark knight himself imo

[blazing loom]

Tf

[normal heron]

The Batman is not DCEU canon

[blazing loom]

do i even have to say

Oh

well

ok

[normal heron]

Yeah it took me this whole time to figure that out too. It's so confusing with all these standalone things

[blazing loom]

ehh
it's OK I guess

We've still already had like 5 on screen versions of Batman

It doesn't really matter that much to me that they skipped a Batfleck movie

[normal heron]

I just don't see how they can connect anything anymore

You're making half decent movies and that's great but they all set up something and just abandon it

[blazing loom]

I understand that but batgirl opens the door for night wing getting a solo movie which I think is cool

and other characters

they kind of butchered him in the titans HBO Max series

[normal heron]

See what I mean

Like idk

They just have so much stuff happening

Like why is the CW still going

Their resources are spread so far out they can't give any one thing enough attention to make it good

[normal heron]

And yes they did

I haven't seen it and I can agree

Titans butchers everything

[blazing loom]

I couldn't even watch the finale of s2 because I hated almost everything leading up to it of

Like how do you fuck up deathstroke so bad that it makes the Arrowverse version look like the best portrayal of the character

cause thats basically what happened

[coral salmon]

Dceu deathstroke is good

Because he has had zero chance to be bad yet

[blazing loom]

yeah for being in one scene

yeah

[coral salmon]

Two*

Fake fan much?

[blazing loom]

wasnt the other one an alternate reality

[coral salmon]

Unconfirmed

[normal heron]

One scene and then they completely abandoned him

[coral salmon]

Two*

Fake fans!

[normal heron]

Where tf is Darkseid

I thought he was like uh

The villain and stuff

Guess not!

[coral salmon]

One scene in the extended cut

[blazing loom]

the vision sequence at the end looked like it might be set in the flashpoint timeline

[coral salmon]

Darkseid is like the big bad, and whatever the CGI mess is they fight is the bad guy of the movie

A henchman of darkseid

[blazing loom]

i watched the animated flashpoint movie and it reminded me of that

[coral salmon]

It's possibly going to end up that way in the DCEU, tho

That's the point

[normal heron]

Zack Snyder set Darkseid up as the main villain for the DCEU and we're gonna have fucking Amanda Waller and her squad of D list villains turned heroes take him down apparently

[coral salmon]

Mfw Idris Elba takes out Darkseid with a tiny bullet because that's how it works

Snyder made a mess of it and he wasn't even allowed to try and rectify it lol

[normal heron]

This thing lacks direction to the point where fans can't even speculate. We can just watch execs fuck around with a director's vision so much that the DCEU becomes even more of an incoherent clusterfuck of a universe with 0 direction, connections or substance.

[coral salmon]

It had very poor direction to begin with

Now it's just all over the place

[normal heron]

At least it was a clear direction. I can give Snyder that.

[coral salmon]

Yea I'll grudgingly admit it was clear what the plan was

How it was going to unfold, I have no clue

[normal heron]

Well yeah but at least there was a clear end goal

Like Thanos in the MCU

[blazing loom]

The problem is DC has like 3 different distributors making content based on their characters
Main DCEU, HBO max series, and the fuckin CW

its not that bad with marvel

Like yeah we have some disconnected stuff here and there but the majority of modern Marvel content is MCU

Then you've got DC where I can count as many CW shows as there are DCEU films

[normal heron]

And DCEU actors are doing end career speedrun any % or just leaving entirely

[blazing loom]

except maybe John Cena ig

[normal heron]

There are a few who stick around

John Cena, Gal Gadot etc

Margot Robbie

[blazing loom]

Peacemaker was a legitimately good comeback for a really forgotten character

[normal heron]

But Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck and (hopefully) Ezra Miller are all gone

[normal heron]

I can't speak for it but I did enjoy him in TSS

Good movie and good show (presumably) but still no connection to a greater picture

[blazing loom]

Peacemaker has a really big connection to the Justice League towards the end

it is set in the DCEU

[normal heron]

||Yeah and they're all silhouettes because they couldn't get any fucking actors to show up for it||

It looks goofy as hell

[blazing loom]

two of them did, ||Ezra and Jason Mamoa||

[normal heron]

Oh yeah Ray Fischer is out definitely

After Joss Whedon harassed him during reshoots

[normal heron]

||Damn they got 1/3 of the Justice League to show up that's actually a great turnout||

[blazing loom]

Yeah, had to make sure you knew the truth about that

They show Barry and Arthur's faces

[normal heron]

💀

[blazing loom]

It seems to me like Henry Cavill just enjoys playing Geralt of Rivia more now

Which is fine

People move on

It's been 9 years since the first time he played that character and they've barely done much with him

||zod, way too much from the comics in BvS, black suit, the lois lane romance||
thats about it

Actually that does sound like a lot but they didn't do it well

[normal heron]

I thought Man of Steel was one of the weaker movies in the DCEU

They did not do Superman justice

Admittedly he is very hard to write for. It can be very hard to make him grounded and relatable like Batman but it can be done and I think Man of Steel kind of failed at that

[blazing loom]

Yeah I prefer Superman being more light hearted and hopeful

The Christopher Nolan-esque dark and broody style didn't really work for him

I can tell that's probably one of the reasons why people say Superman and Lois was such a good show

It seems to embrace the more traditional optimistic and hopeful style of writing for superman

[normal heron]

Yeah

Grant Morrison nailed that feel in All Star Superman

[blazing loom]

I heard that man of steel was apparently inspired by a run of Superman that was really dark and gritty

Tbh I don't really care if it was based on something specific it's still really not how I usually envision that character

That also might be one of the reasons why Batman Superman fell flat

[normal heron]

Batman vs. Superman is not a super great movie by itself but in context of ZSJL I think it's great

[blazing loom]

Superman is usually portrayed as a hopeful and light hearted hero, standing for truth and justice
Batman is the dark one
so making both characters moody and grim is kinda boring

it clashes

wheres the differences between them if you don't seperate their tones

I think that was what made them fighting in the comics so interesting so taking that away you're just left with something a bit generic

[normal heron]

This exactly

The Batman Hush and Dark Knight Returns Batman vs Superman fights are classic for that very reason

[blazing loom]

I think the only instance I can think of where a darker Superman fighting Batman was compelling is in the injustice video games

but like that was because superman just legit went evil

He ||fuckin murders Shazam in Injustice 1 for disagreeing with him||

||he murdered a fucking child, basically||

[stiff shell]

Never liked Superman

[blazing loom]

Thanks that was not the point of this conversation

I've always preferred Batman more but we were not talking about who we liked more
I was analyzing the portrayal of the character

[stiff shell]

Yeah, not trying to be an asshole or anything. But I can see how it came off that way.

[blazing loom]

i get it

[normal heron]

Ok I would love to continue this convo but I'm super fucking tired. It's 1 AM and I need sleep so I'll see you all in the morning and hopefully we'll pick up where we left off

[stiff shell]

@coral salmon found this at my local library.

[coral salmon]

Steal it

Rn

[stiff shell]

Way ahead of you

[normal heron]

Dude I went looking for issues of this at a comic shop yesterday and they didn't have any :(

I'd like to own the whole set to fill my legacy run of West Coast Avengers

I've got the entire set from the 80s and 90s but I just need that volume

@blazing loom DC just pulled this variant cover from listings amid the ongoing Ezra Miller controversy. I can see why. (This is a comic book prelude to the Flash movie btw so that is literally Miller on the cover)

[blazing loom]

why tf he gotta be naked on the cover
tbh that makes it worse

so yeah i can see why they pulled it

[normal heron]

I guess the artist thought it would just be a goofy Flash cover but the art has not aged well

[coral salmon]

It's rly good art tho

The way the suit is displayed is similar to the flash suit that comes out of the ring, which is a nice reference

[stiff shell]

What’s the controversy? Typical comic book cover. It’s just a dude this time.

[normal heron]

Ezra Miller has 2 accusations of grooming kids against them

[normal heron]

It's a great cover. Just not what you want to release right now

[blazing loom]

and has just generally been acting insane

[normal heron]

That too

[blazing loom]

this may be kinda random but

it sucks that Grant Gustin will now have to always be compared to that creep

[stiff shell]

Oh, thought the controversy was over the art lol.

[blazing loom]

no

its because the drawing kinda resembles Miller

who is literally wanted by police atm

[stiff shell]

Hmm

[coral salmon]

It is miller

It doesn't resemble him, it literally is him

[coral salmon]

Out of their hands what Ezra does sadly

[normal heron]

Unfortunately

[blazing loom]

what i was trying to get at is i know its meant to look like him, but i dont think it looks exactly like him

[coral salmon]

Oh ok

[blazing loom]

Especially because the Batman in the background doesn't really look a lot like affleck batman

[coral salmon]

It kinda does but the colours are wrong

The ears, the six pack in the armour, they're accurate

[normal heron]

This pisses me the fuck off

[blazing loom]

this goes beyond just fans being idiots. people are hypocrites sometimes

its just like with star wars
you're ok with seeing a bunch of diverse alien species but you draw the line at a person of color?

which is an idea we have in the mcu too lol

because Guardians

and just the overall cosmic side of the universe

like you're ok watching a sentient raccoon who can talk
and his best friend, a tree

but not-
you get my point

and plus the mcu and star wars are both frachises that already have plenty of diversity

so anyone doing this racist shit is just flatout stupid

[normal heron]

Exactly dude

Marvel makes a show about a character and a family who isn't white and you all lose your shit

Why?

Why do you fucking care?

It's not "pushing an agenda" to make a TV show about a Pakistani person. In fact you're the people making it political by saying it's politics. It's just a TV show about a person who may not be exactly like you. And I bet you haven't even seen it anyways so FUCK YOU for review bombing it you cunt

[blazing loom]

i also dont get it when its based on something from the comics

[normal heron]

Exactly

Nobody bitched about it until they made it a show

[blazing loom]

i'd understand a little backlash if they created some random new character instead of pulling from the many diverse options in the comics
but kamala has already proven to be a hit with readers

[coral salmon]

This is not true

People been bitching about miles, Kamala and every other non-white-appearing hero since the early 2000s

It's stupid as fuck

They claim it's all badly written which uh, no. A few are, most aren't, and the ones that are tend to be put into comics limbo anyways

[normal heron]

Like the newest version of the New Warriors

That was piss poor lmfao

[coral salmon]

Haven't read it but yea

[normal heron]

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/introducing-the-new-new-warriors

Just read that article

[coral salmon]

The thumbnail does the job

You've got green lantern, aqualad, a link lantern, vampire zuko and whoever the last one is

[normal heron]

😂

[elfin gorge]

The fuck is that green knockoff cyclops bullshit

[normal heron]

Screentime

[blazing loom]

Miles has always been a well written character

[coral salmon]

No

Sorry, no

But he's been bitched about for being bad when he's been good

He's had some awful writing tho

https://twitter.com/ShoNuffKay37/status/1537874612205273089?t=jIimEJ4rdOsOJtMfKDb_8Q&s=19

This, for example, is awfully written miles

[normal heron]

No it's not. It's a What If comic lol

[coral salmon]

It's still bad writing

[normal heron]

Still not the worst I've ever seen

It's still better than Bendis Speech

This is Grant Morrison parodying Bendis Speech

[blazing loom]

OK you know I wasn't talking about alternate universe stuff

I was talking about miles as spider man

[normal heron]

Kamala Khan has always had good writing 😎

[blazing loom]

I read a little bit of what I think was the original run of Miles Morales and it was really good

[normal heron]

I need to read Ultimate Fallout

[blazing loom]

I wanted to give you this piece of fun Trivia
do you remember the scene in spider man homecoming where ned drops the completed lego death star and it shatters

That's incredibly reminiscent of the scene in the original miles Morales run where his best friend Genke destroys their lego battleship or something

In fact its weird, Ned himself in that film feels rather inspired by Genke actually

[normal heron]

Ned is literally Peter's Ganke. He makes all this tech stuff for him and he has the same personality

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/760342740776386580/989279336865624124/IMG_20220622_172144413_HDR.jpg

Also I copped the first appearance of God Emperor Doom but one of the 1:25 variants. I feel like this book is undervalued by a lot.

[blazing loom]

that was one of the aspects of homecoming that I found a really unique and surprising
that they took so much inspiration from the ultimate comics
Not just that but that it took from ultimate comics that weren't even about Peter Parker

[normal heron]

I was gonna say that Dr. Strange's incursion might connect the Ultimate Universe with the mainstream MCU but then I realized Miles is already confirmed in Peter's universe :(

[blazing loom]

yes because Aaron Davis
it's one of the many dangling threads from homecoming that have never been followed up on

[normal heron]

I really wish they would because they got Donald Glover to play him

[blazing loom]

Yeah, and I know Donald Glover is a busy man but he can easily do like one more scene
if they needed him to

I don't think him being a busy actor excuses the fact that we haven't seen him in 5 years

[normal heron]

Exactly

Wish Prowler and Miles would get more involved in the MCU

[blazing loom]

Just prowler

The mcu doesn't need miles right now

I really don't think they do at all

Trust me I'm the biggest fan of Miles Morales but I just don't think it's the right time

Especially when we just got no way home and there's renewed interest in seeing future projects with Andrew and/or Tobey

[normal heron]

Not yet

If/When Secret Wars happens though...

It's Miles time

[normal heron]

@coral salmon @blazing loom
Lmfao we were just talking about this yesterday

[blazing loom]

oh shit why are those shoes near IDENTICAL to the ones he wears in Into the Spider-verse

[coral salmon]

The cover is so cool

The actual story tho

Blegh, blegh, blegh

"by Odin's fade" makes me wanna die

[normal heron]

When I first saw it I kind of excused it because it was a What If story but I can definitely see what went wrong there

[normal heron]

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/ezra-miller-young-children-vermont-farm-1372295/

@blazing loom Lmao new Ezra Miller controversy

[blazing loom]

yeah ok

i mean at this point, we get it

they're horrible

no other thing i hear is going to change that

[normal heron]

At this point I'm almost laughing at the fact that these reports don't seem to be stopping

[blazing loom]

there's already enough crappy stuff thats come out
we get the picture

[normal heron]

DC needs to either completely reshoot or completely scrap the Flash movie at this point

I hope the police get ahold of them soon

[blazing loom]

at this point if it does come out it will be good publicity for Michael Keaton

and we can all just ignore the other guy

Also lets not forget
its not like the writers or the director are the ones fucking up their own life here

ezra is just an actor

[normal heron]

Yeah I think reshoots are in order

[blazing loom]

Honestly writers don't get enough credit

[normal heron]

Or completely scrap this current movie and start again with a new actor as Barry Allen

[blazing loom]

i just think this is completely unfair to the people who actually made this movie

the crew and creative team

[normal heron]

I agree but I think it needs to be done

[blazing loom]

Fuck Ezra

this is bullshit

[normal heron]

This movie cannot release with Ezra Miller as The Flash

I really wanted a Flash movie and this is unfair to the fans as well

We need some SERIOUS reshoots or a new movie with a new actor entirely

[blazing loom]

i mean
5 seasons of House of Cards are out with Kevin Spacey in the lead
and i think one of them came out after it became public knowledge that he was a pedophile

not justifying it just saying its been done before

[normal heron]

Nope. House of Cards season 5 came out May 2017 while the allegations against Spacey came out late October of 2017. Baby Driver also came out in June of 2017 so to my knowledge nothing released after people found out he was a pedo

[blazing loom]

ok then i'll go with this example

it seems they aren't replacing amber heard in aquaman 2

[normal heron]

It remains unclear

[blazing loom]

and based on this trial and her actions ahe appears to be a manipulator

[normal heron]

Also there is an argument to be made that that trial isn't enough to remove her from that role. Not saying she shouldn't be replaced because I think she should but still

I mean Ezra Miller was grooming kids dude

And threatening parents with guns

They're literally on the run from the police and apparently housing children with guns and drugs

[blazing loom]

yeah its alot different

you're right

[normal heron]

They also hold a major DCEU role while Amber Heard is Mera

[blazing loom]

true

[normal heron]

Did Amber Heard lie? Yes. Should she probably be replaced? Yes. But I think right now, DC has a much much bigger problem in Ezra Miller. And frankly as long as they take care of that problem, I'm happy. At least Amber Heard isn't a complete menace to society and a danger to everyone in her area

[blazing loom]

that i can agree with

i'll at least be excited to finally see The Rock as a comic book character this year

[normal heron]

Yeah. Black Adam looks good

[blazing loom]

do you think they were right to make an entire movie about that character?
rather than making him just the antagonist of shazam 2

[normal heron]

Dude I have no idea honestly. It seems like an effective way to bring in the JSA though so count me in

Ok skeet I have to take a timed reading test as homework for my tutor now

So I will be back after about an hour

[blazing loom]

it has to be good if it took this long

im excited for Pierce Brosnan's role

he's one of my favorite bonds

im not but thats your opinion

[normal heron]

The only reason people aren't burnt out with DC is because they haven't released anything

It'll happen to DC too

[blazing loom]

im not burnt out with star wars either

i hated the last jedi and rise of skywalker to an extent as well but i was already a fan before then and i stuck with it

[normal heron]

Thank fuck they fixed A New Hope on the Disney 4K

Why the fuck is there pink sand

George please explain

Because he put it there

Nope. He edited the movie for home video and slapped this disgusting magenta tint over the whole movie

It's visible in EVERY SCENE and the 4K HDR transfer finally removed it

No movie should look like the top pictures do

[blazing loom]

@normal heron yo thats tight

But anyways I just wanna let you know I'm about to watch the new Ms Marvel

[normal heron]

Yooo have fun

[blazing loom]

Is that the version that's on Disney plus? (bottom photo i mean)

[blazing loom]

@normal heron excellent episode

[normal heron]

It's the 4K UHD transfer so I guess so?

[blazing loom]

I think my only issue is that ||I thought the plot line with the people trying to take her power moved a little too fast||

||like she gets one scene meeting them and then we find out that they want to use her for their own benefit||

||feels like maybe they cut a scene before that||

But yeah otherwise this is a really good episode and I just thoroughly enjoyed it

[normal heron]

Yeah that's a bit of a pacing issue but I overall enjoyed the hell out of it

[blazing loom]

||are those characters from the comics?||

||the interdimensional people||

[normal heron]

||Not Ms. Marvel comics but yes. They are Clandestine||

[blazing loom]

||ok so they didn't debut in ms marvel but do they appear in ms Marvel comics||

?

[normal heron]

Yes

Well no

[blazing loom]

cool

[normal heron]

Actually

They've never been in Ms. Marvel books

[blazing loom]

Do they have a plot line with kamala

oh

interesting

||Well then is their story in the show at all similar to anything from miss Marvel Comics?||

[normal heron]

Not that I can remember offhand really

[blazing loom]

oh, gotcha, thats ok

||i really liked how the episode went to such great lengths to explain where the bangle came from||

||a full on historical flashback at the beginning||

||And based on the ending of this episode it seems they're going to continue to give us more surprising revelations about her family||

[normal heron]

Yeah I can't wait for the next episode

[blazing loom]

||Also I just want to say how amazing I thought the wedding scenes were||

||Were you smiling during all the dancing
because i sure was||

it was just such a joy

[normal heron]

||I definitely was. Such a great and happy scene. Kinda what I needed right now||

[blazing loom]

||I'm glad they got to finish their dance number before the villains attacked||

lol

[normal heron]

Yeah lol

[blazing loom]

||Speaking of stuff that makes us smile, Anything involving Kamala's dad|| lol

[normal heron]

YES

||He's so funny||

[blazing loom]

||I honestly was screaming at my TV today
in happiness
"THIS MAN IS A TREASURE"||

||PROTECT HIM||

||AT ALL COSTS||

[blazing loom]

||I think he might be my favorite father in the mcu||

There's a few other examples but he is top tier

||Honestly a lot of mcu dads are people who have done really bad things||

[normal heron]

||I really hope he sticks around too||

[blazing loom]

||yeah, one thing I've found really refreshing about this series
her parents aren't dead
or presumably won't die||

[normal heron]

||And it shows that they really love her and that they're great people||

||I love Kamala's parents sm||

[blazing loom]

||Yeah and I like that her mom is a bit flawed||

||It makes these characters feel very human||

[normal heron]

||Just a bit. She still holds up very well||

[blazing loom]

||yeah I didn't mean flawed from a writing perspective I meant like as a person||

||it humanizes her alot||

[normal heron]

Ah gotcha

[blazing loom]

||And yes I really like her mom too||

[normal heron]

Same

Skeet broski honestly you gotta get in the comic book game

Shits fun as hell

[blazing loom]

||Like in the first episode you're really mad at her for being so overprotective of Kamala
But we're learning more about the kind of person she is and her values||

||and we're starting to appreciate her alot more||

@normal heron Also you should know I'll be able to watch these episodes on Wednesdays now

Kenobi ended yesterday

So now Ms Marvel is back to being my only weekly show rn

[normal heron]

Ms. Marvel better than Kenobi 😎

[blazing loom]

They aren't comparable

I was just letting you know that time is over and I can finish the show quicker

And talk to you about it sooner

so thats cool

[normal heron]

Yea I was just messin

[blazing loom]

gotcha 🫂

I'm really glad this show is going so well

Plus the culture that it's representing
They have something to be proud of

[normal heron]

Absolutely

[normal heron]

Perfect

[normal heron]

https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-blade-reboot-cast-milan-ray-exclusive

@blazing loom New actress cast in Blade

[normal heron]

Ms. Marvel is the best Marvel project of phase 4 and quite possibly the Marvel project with the most style out of anything they have ever released

I do not exaggerate when I say that

The shots are beautiful, CGI is great, you will love every character and it is a visually stunning movie packed full of bright colors and style

Yes it is

@blazing loom Vouch for me

@marble mason Don't trust user reviews. It's getting review bombed by racists

Yeah

Same goes for IMDB and to a much lesser extent Rotten Tomatoes

[normal heron]

Nah it's getting review bombed there

[normal heron]

https://thedirect.com/article/ms-marvel-review-bombed-imdb-disney-premiere

I mean exactly what I said

It's getting review bombed

These dumbasses mostly

A lot of them try to just say "oh it's cringe" with no further explanation or "oh it's bad writing" (once again with no further explanation) to mask their racism

[blazing loom]

That has nothing to do with the actual substance of the show

That's what a review should be
looking at the show as a story

not saying simple minded shit like "fuck this woke crap"

[normal heron]

I don't get why people are mad about shows making political statements or commentaries on society

Movies have been doing that for generations

[coral salmon]

Stan Lee chose to make his comics political

Captain America fought Nazis, and that was twenty years before Stan Lee made his first comic

[normal heron]

12 Angry Men, Blazing Saddles and now movies like Get Out

Why are people so pissed now?

What changed?

[coral salmon]

X-Men is extremely political and that's one of the most popular comics ever

[coral salmon]

They find other similar viewpoints cos of the internet, then they feel empowered to whine more

[normal heron]

Since the very first issue

[coral salmon]

Yep

Black panther, named after a political party

And so on, so forth; marvel comics are political more than not

[normal heron]

I find it funny how these people view social commentary and see it no deeper than "Oh look mutants!"

[coral salmon]

It's so, so blatantly political

Magneto is Jewish, he survived the Holocaust and he's talking about superior races???? Come ON, how much more obvious can it be

[normal heron]

I know right

These people view things so surface level and the moment they see a person of color they lose their shit

[blazing loom]

@coral salmon @normal heron I think Marvel should issue an official statement about toxic stuff like that

[coral salmon]

Stan Lee has

Decades ago

[blazing loom]

True but this is big boy mainstream Marvel studios

Kevin Feige is the Stan Lee of marvel studios

He's a busy man so I understand if he doesn't but my respect for him would go even higher than it already is if i saw him issue a statement regarding these racist fuckwads

[normal heron]

Agreed

[blazing loom]

I don't know if you saw but when people were harassing and hating on Moses Ingram from Kenobi, Ewan Mcgregor himself posted a video condoning those toxic fans

IIRC i think even Lucasfilm themselves or higher ups at Star Wars said something about it

and btw this isn't about Star Wars I know you arent into the series
im just using a comparable example

[coral salmon]

The twitter account did

[blazing loom]

That's good

[blazing loom]

@coral salmon @normal heron Either of you guys around right now

[coral salmon]

Nah

Why?

[blazing loom]

Oh I just had a potential conversation topic

[coral salmon]

Oh

[blazing loom]

If you're not around to spend time on the conversation that's fine

Just figured I'd ask you guys first

[coral salmon]

What's the topic?

[blazing loom]

Last night I did my disney+ rewatch of multi verse of madness

had some new thoughts

[coral salmon]

@blazing loom tell me thoughts

I fell asleep sorry

[blazing loom]

||ok so about the illuminati part of the film||

[coral salmon]

Uh huh

[blazing loom]

||yeah, it was pretty jarring when they all died by wanda's violent magic
but tbh, im realizing there was a point to all their deaths
the fact they all die shows how truly arrogant they were
Raimi showed me that through the vast multiverse, there are good and bad, smart and dumb, versions of all these characters
Even Xavier comes off as a bit hypocritical and arrogant||

[coral salmon]

They're all extremely arrogant, such is the point

It's uh, incredibly dumb they all died though

[blazing loom]

||and he's often portrayed as the smartest character in marvel||

[blazing loom]

||I'm just saying i don't think i completely caught onto that in my initial theater viewing||

[coral salmon]

||https://twitter.com/thelongeststart/status/1539568217588473857?t=JbLD1O5OGxpgtHex9vv_zw&s=19||

[blazing loom]

||imma be honest, i kinda like how surprising it is||

[coral salmon]

It makes narrative sense

[blazing loom]

||i knew it was coming and it gave me anxiety
it was impactful||

[coral salmon]

It indicates Wanda is far stronger than you could ever predict

It's also incredibly anticlimacticn

[blazing loom]

yeah

[coral salmon]

So much hype and for like, ten minutes of screen time

[blazing loom]

||Captain Carter's death hit me the hardest||

[coral salmon]

This is a conversation on twitter I had ab it earlier this week

Explains my irritation with it more

[coral salmon]

None of them upset me tbh

[blazing loom]

i just honestly like it in some ways

||like how its a neat way to play with the concept of the multiverse||

[coral salmon]

Oh it's a fantastic way to show how batshit the multiverse is

It also is anticlimactic that in a movie called "multiverse of madness" our only meaningful interaction with any other universe lasts for twenty odd minutes

[blazing loom]

||like, we will most likely see those same characters again
just these versions were the egotistical and hypocritical variants||

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that i honestly do agree with

[coral salmon]

Every version of them is egotistical

[blazing loom]

wait

really?

what are you saying

[coral salmon]

That reed Richards is a cunt

As is professor X

And so on, so forth

[blazing loom]

||yeah but reed can be a very good level headed character, right?||

[coral salmon]

I loved the other two members, I think they were great additions and they're likeable, but reed is an asshat

[blazing loom]

like in the comics

[coral salmon]

Reed is often just an ass

[blazing loom]

oh

[coral salmon]

I don't read a lot of f4, mostly because I dislike reed

[blazing loom]

i speculate the main 616 version will be a more morally superior version

when the f4 film comes around

[coral salmon]

I don't know if he will

I'd assume he'd be like iron man, where he's just charismatic but evidently still a knob

https://www.cbr.com/mr-fantasdick-15-times-reed-richards-was-marvels-biggest-jerk/

[blazing loom]

yeah but if they go that angle they also have to do something fresh

[coral salmon]

Wdym

[blazing loom]

they cant make him tony stark

like hes just tony stark again

nah man

tony stark is a good template for the cocky type, but they have to do something more with it too

yknow, add something fresh

[coral salmon]

That's not what I'm saying

What I'm saying is he'll be likeable but also very clearly not a nice person

[blazing loom]

ah

yeah

[coral salmon]

I'm not saying he has to be cocky or confident or act like Tony

[blazing loom]

thats still a Tony archetype

[coral salmon]

Honestly, how he acts in MoM is how he should be in 616

It would work

[blazing loom]

yeah perhaps

[coral salmon]

Also an archetype of a lot of the MCU

[blazing loom]

but he still needs to be smarter than that reed, otherwise i don't think i'd be able to believe he could last longer than the 838 Reed lasted against scarlet witch

which was like 5 seconds

[coral salmon]

I'd not say smarter, I'd just say less egotistical

But then, that's a defining part of reed

[blazing loom]

yeah, at least a little less
clearly the ego still needs to be a part of MCU reed but balance it out a bit more with his intelligence

[coral salmon]

Maybe now that Wanda has not got ||the darkhold|| it would be believable for 838 reed to go against her without a plan

[coral salmon]

Mm yea

Maybe

We'll have to see how it pans out

[blazing loom]

oh yeah true

honestly the darkhold is basically just a video game cheat code for her in this movie

take that away and it makes the illuminati battle actually fair

[coral salmon]

It might make it fair

It definitely makes it fairer

[blazing loom]

not saying it makes it easy to beat her

fyi

[coral salmon]

No ik

She's still the strongest sorcerer with or without it

[blazing loom]

Strange calls her a really powerful being in the film
not taking into account the darkhold

[coral salmon]

So it might not make it fair, but it definitely makes it fairer

[blazing loom]

oh

i see

[coral salmon]

It's like if everyone had a pistol and she had two pistols and an AR and then one was taken away

[blazing loom]

yeah that

[coral salmon]

It'll be interesting to see where they go with Wanda

In terms of... everything

[blazing loom]

yeah i noticed a detail ||when the tower falls||

|||red beam of energy||

[coral salmon]

Ya

You know that scene in wandavision in the Agatha Vs Wanda fight

[blazing loom]

||she definitely stopped rubble from crushing her||

[coral salmon]

Where she teleports

[blazing loom]

in that moment

[coral salmon]

In a flash of red energy

[blazing loom]

ya just dont see it

[coral salmon]

Pretty sure she just did that again

It looks similar

[blazing loom]

yeah i dont think she's dead

same logic i use for Kingpin in Hawkeye

[coral salmon]

Well we don't see kingpins body

[blazing loom]

that dude just cant die that easily

yes exactly

[coral salmon]

So he feasibly ain't dead

You don't see the body, then they ain't dead. First rule of TV lol

[blazing loom]

but thats just a comparable example, back to mom

MoM

i really enjoyed the portrayal of what's essesntially wanda's villain arc from the comics

expecially how Olson played it

[coral salmon]

She was magnetic to watch tbh

[blazing loom]

i think they may expand on that

she does find a way to make her children real in the comics, iirc

[coral salmon]

I do not recall

[blazing loom]

like i was just really looking forward to Strange and Wanda finally interacting in a film, and this movie did ALOT more with that than i expected

[coral salmon]

Yea it was a rly good dynamic

[blazing loom]

yeah honestly

a tad weird that vision's only referenced a couple times in the film but tbh the weight of his absence is still felt throughout the film

besides white vision is still a thing

[coral salmon]

I'm still curious ab grey vision tho

Yea

[blazing loom]

its white vision lol

[coral salmon]

My bad

[blazing loom]

like from the comics

[coral salmon]

Anyways

[blazing loom]

yeah u good sorry

go on

[coral salmon]

Idk what he's doing rn

I'm curious

[blazing loom]

me too

he escaped the hex

iirc, with the memories of other vision

[coral salmon]

He had the memories of hex vision

We don't know exactly what those memories were

Like, Wanda may not have given him certain memories, like of his death

[blazing loom]

had to be most memories from vision's mcu joourney im assuming?

[blazing loom]

oh yeah, good point

because she essentially brainwashed everyone there

[coral salmon]

Yup

She may have omitted certain parts of his memories

[blazing loom]

damn im getting sidetracked in my head
god Darcy and Woo were a couple of my FAV parts of wandavision

so good together, and i just LOVED seeing Kat Dennings back in the mcu