Saviors Discussion

[lofty yacht]

I hate people saying this shit man

[obsidian harbor]

YES‼️

[pulsar egret]

Did anyone get the cassette?

[last glen]

Yeah

Was kinda shocked they had it at the store ngl

[brisk pumice]

I saw a reviewer take every song on the album and say “this sounds like x, this sounds like y” and then proceed to play those songs

Like Bobby Sox sounding like Teenage Dirtbag lmao

[barren plinth]

yeah

[ornate zenith]

That is not a good way to review music

[forest crag]

i prefer graffitia

[tired shale]

Was it Brad?

Because that shit was so damn annoying

There are billions of songs, one of them is gonna sound vaguely similar. It's not even that the songs sounded the same, only the same tempo

[indigo spruce]

To be fair, I think I can name a soundalike for almost every song on the album

[ornate zenith]

Regardless, it's really weak criticism for modern pop rock music

[last glen]

"It sounds like a truck commercial"

[ornate zenith]

That's what Fever sounds like to me

[celest hawk]

My favorite comments about Fantano’s review of Saviors..

[pulsar egret]

Tbf

Most songs are going to sound like other songs

You cant truly make something original

Anyhow

Fellas

The tape sounds like absolute dog shit

There’s no leader tape for some reasob

Leader tape is the clear tape that comes before the actual contents

What is this shit

I paid 21 bucks for this

[ornate zenith]

As for the booklet they're all like that

I think it's on purpose kind of like how chaotic the insomniac lyrics page is

[pulsar egret]

Man I have seen my history teachers printed packets

This is not intentional

Their printers were probably low on ink

[ornate zenith]

The smudges are on the same spots

In the CD booklet

[hearty solar]

yeah theres also those smudges on the back of the vinyl

its ugly af

[candid compass]

inshallah 🙏

im prolly gonna get flamed and lynched for this but i think corvette summer is the worst on the album

i just dont vibe with it

[ornate zenith]

Can't hear you over the cowbell

[candid compass]

fuck

[hearty solar]

haters speak to the cowbell

[plush warren]

It’s def in the bottom for me but I still really like the song

Just not as good as the rest

[keen pewter]

I promise that it is

[icy fossil]

Bro is playing too much corvette summer

[ornate zenith]

Josh promises

[keen pewter]

I swear

[hallow creek]

I don’t know why this image was attached to this document, but it made my day when I had to e-sign a legal doc that had this on it

[keen pewter]

congratulations, your middle name has been officially changed to “Bastard”!

[hallow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-fabulous-got-kit-harington-windy-gif-9515173

[ornate zenith]

Jason B Holmes

[candid compass]

one bastard eyed

[sacred bone]

Thats Mr. One Bastard Eyed

[candid compass]

hello zere

[hearty solar]

This is the document of all time

[oblique sky]

Any news on expected sales?

[ornate zenith]

CD arrived yesterday and I listened to it while driving on the highway with nothing to do but listen to the music distraction-free

Pretty safely sitting at fourth favorite

[obsidian harbor]

All I know is that it’s tremendously topping in the UK, idk how it’s doing in the US

[eager swan]

I just found out the Linda Linda's were in the Bobby sox video , lmao

[ornate zenith]

I think we will know sales on Saturday when the billboard 200 is updated

Or maybe it’s the following Tuesday after Saturday

I don’t remember ope I just know it will be the one dated the 27th

[ornate zenith]

I gotta learn to read charts better Jesus Christ disregard all that

The one dated February 3rd lol

[keen pewter]

my shit been pending acceptance for a minute

[hearty solar]

Only in Ohio

[obsidian harbor]

Just realized the verses for 1981 is similar to that of Church on Sunday

Which makes sense given their respective chord progression are practically the same

[keen pewter]

I’m certain it’s just never coming at this point

[ornate zenith]

Mine did that shit

Kept saying it was coming then ext day and then moving it over a day

[fierce trout]

My record got delivered but it got delivered to my parents house and im at college rn Sadge

[plush warren]

Yeah same

[worn gull]

Ive been surfin youtube looking at reviews and album rankings. Its interesting to see the different responses to the album

[eager swan]

To me Saviors is pretty top notch considering that music quality is getting worse each year.

[pulsar egret]

Fuck this tape

I re recorded the album onto a blank and transplanted the re recorded version

[keen pewter]

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU IN CINCINNATI

[strong valve]

Mine went from Cleveland to Buffalo to Rochester and then back to Buffalo

[brisk pumice]

Question

Do y’all think the setlist from the tour will be mixed or is it Dookie, AI, then Saviors?

[sacred bone]

The albums will be in order of the tracklist. I think there will be a few non saviors AI or dookie songs. (good riddance will def be one)
Not sure if they start the set with Dookie because burnout is sorta a deepcut.

[toxic prawn]

Question
I got one of the numbered baby pinks from 1234 go and I'm super new to vinyl, I thought the record sleeve was going to have the # not the plastic wrap on the outside. Is it worth it to leave this vinyl unopened and go buy a standard store one or am I putting too much value on the "limited edition" factor?

[ornate zenith]

I think it’s all but confirmed that they’ll be doing Dookie, then like 45 minutes of other songs, then American idiot

[brisk pumice]

I think all the variants are “limited edition”… I don’t collect vinyls like that necessarily as in, if I still wanna play them and open them, but if you’re not looking to resell it should be fine to open

[brisk pumice]

Ah I see. Thought it’d be cool to go like dookie song > ai song > saviors song > repeat

[acoustic canopy]

kind of just a personal thing, if you want to open rare/limited ones then go for it

[pine jasper]

Is VIP worth it?

For the concerts

[acoustic canopy]

🤷‍♂️

@wicked badger has vip i think

[pine jasper]

The VIP for Atlanta is like $600+ when I looked last

[toxic prawn]

Thanks for the feedback! I was kinda thinking on the same lines, but I always think about how much it would suck to have owned something that became rare or valuable and you either ruined it or got rid of it before knowing its worth. I think I'll slit the plastic and try to keep the numbered sticker

[wicked badger]

Yes

For my venue it would be

You get the Green Day backstage experience AND Wembley backstage experience out of mind

[pine jasper]

What do you think? Is $600+ worth it for Truist Park in Atlanta?

Considering going broke 🤣

[wicked badger]

If you wanna do it

Go for it

[pine jasper]

Shit, they went up to like $700+

Nvm, should have grabbed them the other day

I'm just waiting till I have enough money to buy 3 regular pit tickets

[pine jasper]

The things we do for these 3 ragtag musicians from the Bay area

[wicked badger]

I'm even flying to London instead of going down to Dublin

[fierce trout]

I have vip just so I can be in a shorter line for the pit

[pine jasper]

I was thinking of just getting there extra early

[keen pewter]

I don’t think the VIP actually gets you early entry if I’m being real

[fierce trout]

It doesn’t but it gets you in a shorter line which could get you in earlier I guess

If you’re not one of the first people in the regular line

[violet jay]

Some events have where you get into the venue early and see the bands setup and equipment before everyone else can get in

[fierce trout]

I didn’t pay for that though

Because too expensive also you forfeit your spot at the front of your pit basically if you do that

Would be worth if you were in seats though

[violet jay]

No this would be a limited amount of people and than they will most likely bring you back to a holding area before you go back they did that when I went to a Gorillaz concert

[fierce trout]

Idk I read stuff from other people who did it for Green Day concerts and they said they had to forfeit their front row pit spot basically

[keen pewter]

yeah they do the tour after doors open

so you don’t get a good spot in the pit

[lean wadi]

were any of the citi ticket master seats vip?

[slow crest]

Number 4 https://x.com/popcrave/status/1751698618354999615?s=61

Pop Crave (@PopCrave) on X

‘Saviors’ by Green Day debuts at #4 on the Billboard 200 with 49K units (39K pure sales).

It becomes their 12th top 10 album.

Twitter · Jan 28, 2024, 8:07 PM

[oblique sky]

None better than FOAM

But at this day and age idk if numbers are good or bad for a rock band?

[plush warren]

I really don’t care about charts and numbers but a number one would’ve been cool

[worn gull]

I’m not surprised but I don’t care.

Green Day isn’t particularly mainstream anymore. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Its almost like we need a new band to do what GD did in the 90’s and make pop-punk mainstream again haha

[fierce trout]

#4

it’s over

we lost

[slow crest]

Nah fam

It’s pretty high

We doin ok

[hearty solar]

we've got Machine Gun Kelly 🤓

(jk)

[sacred bone]

its mainstream its just a different pop punk... its artists like mgk and olivia rodrigo. I wouldnt use the word artist for mgk though. Theres alot of less mainstream pop punk thats great.

[worn gull]

Lets see how long it stays in the charts tho..

[jolly zealot]

The Making of Coma City just dropped

[plush warren]

We really need a documentary on the making of this album at this point

I feel like they have the footage too

[ornate zenith]

With what we've gotten to see so far I'm sure they do

[eager swan]

Number 4 at the US ?? But number 1 in the UK ..
The problem here is Billie. I don't care about his political views but he should stop protesting during their live performances.
Americans hates him now and it's affecting his band.
But who care cares about sales when you're a millionaire right? Not Billie for sure

[worn gull]

Yeah. Just play the guitar mate lmao

[ornate zenith]

L

L take, as they say

Acting like he hasn’t been doing that forever

If Americans hate him for saying shit like not a part of the MAGA agenda then that’s just filtering out the shit anyway, oh no gee wiz racist idiots aren’t buying the album

Anyway Bobby Sox is still so damn good every listen and I'm never getting over this one

[ornate zenith]

Total bomb they gotta stop being political /s

[worn gull]

#4 is pretty cool though

[ornate zenith]

#4 overall in the country and #1 on all the rock and alternative charts is awesome for a band that's been putting out major label albums for 30 years

Also Dilemma is finally charting now

In the US

In the top 30 for mainstream rock at least I mean

Debuted at #25 while american dream is still charting at #9 on that one

Only band with two songs in the top 30 right now

Charting on alternative too, late bloomer

Well deserved though

[plush warren]

That’s amazing

[fierce trout]

This is such an L take

Your take: “stop speaking about things you believe in so you can make more money”

[ornate zenith]

"Stop speaking the same things you've been saying since 2004 when it could have actually been career suicide to protest the Iraq War"

[eager swan]

Just my take.
What do I know about America since I don't live there anyways

Just hoping the boys don't attract haters more than they already have now.

[ornate zenith]

Great publicity, getting haters for spreading the right message

[keen pewter]

they’ve been political for 20+ years I don’t think that’s what’s hurting sales

their audience has never been comprised of mostly those who get mad at their politics

[knotty crow]

the people fuming about green day’s politics and saying they’re “never going to listen to green day AGAIN” after new year’s eve are a very loud but very, very small minority

[keen pewter]

their sales being “bad” is a combination of rock music not being mainstream, modern streaming sales rules and Green Day being like 20 years past their prime

but even then 50k first week sales is pretty damn good

the band itself has been on a downward spiral critically for the last 10 years

and after Father of All it’s just popular to hate on Green Day

[ornate zenith]

Funny that being one of the top 5 records in the country is bad sales

[keen pewter]

that’s the thing too lol it’s not even close to bad

sure when you compare it to their previous sales it looks bad

but the sale rules are so different now than 20 years ago

[strong valve]

Cringe take. L.

[ornate zenith]

Poor guy is getting destroyed in here

[strong valve]

Critically their most acclaimed work in years.

They’re all over headlines.

Tons of press and media attention.

[ornate zenith]

Josh is right, “album sales” is a totally different beast than it was even in 2016

Sales and marketing are different, it’s all different

[keen pewter]

American Idiot sold 267k first week. Those numbers are barely achievable by mainstream artists. Kendrick Lamar’s HEAVILY anticipated album in 2022 sold a little less than that I think.

[eager swan]

Nah I'm not a poor guy and I'm not getting destroyed

[keen pewter]

you do have a horrible take though

it’s pretty piss poor

[eager swan]

Not a horrible take

[keen pewter]

it’s pretty atrocious

[eager swan]

Just speaking reality

[keen pewter]

“this political pop punk band needs to stop being political!”

[eager swan]

Well i never said they should being political

[keen pewter]

my bad. “This political pop punk band needs to stop protesting during their live performances!”

[ornate zenith]

"I know nothing about this band"

[worn gull]

eh. I'm a fan of the music. Idc about Billie's views tbh

I don't agree with everything he says

but I if the track sounds good. I listen

[worn gull]

Pretty much

If you stop listening to something because you don't agree with the creator, then you're going to run out of things to listen to

[worn gull]

That’s an incredible rare opinion these days I feel.

[fierce trout]

idk reminds me of the conservatives who listen to RATM tbh lol

[knotty crow]

i wouldn’t say that’s true

i mean if you’re a conservative maybe because i feel conservative music is pretty hard to come by unless you’re actively looking for it

[knotty crow]

yeah this is what i think of too

[worn gull]

My issue with Billie these days is that he seems to be so extremely far left that anyone who’s either normally left or even kind in the middle on the political scale gets viewed as a right-winger lol

Also I can’t tell if he’s anti-america or not. The rants aren’t entirelyyyyyy consistent these days haha

I wonder how much shit he’ll talk when he comes to Aus. He always slags off USA at aussie concerts. 3/3 times for me anyway haha

[knotty crow]

billie is not extremely far left in any sense of the word

i’ll cut it off there

but uh

yeah that’s way off base

lol

[worn gull]

I did say seems to be

Lol

[fierce trout]

who cares

[worn gull]

Well not me. Im a fan of the music. Not the guy

I’m like the Adeline song I’ll tell ya what. Its grown on me!

[fierce trout]

im saying who cares if billie is far left politically he can say what he wants

[worn gull]

Eh. Just feels alienating sometimes. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Doesn’t stop me being a fan of the music

[ornate zenith]

No one knows what left means anymore ffs

[fierce trout]

billie isn’t even like far left he’s not saying he’s a communist he’s like a democratic socialist lol

[knotty crow]

probably not even that

actually definitely not that

obviously billie is pretty socially left, i can assume he’s not anti-capitalist though

[ornate zenith]

Anything Billie Joe says is barely left of center at best besides social issues

[knotty crow]

yeah

he voted for biden right

i think he had supported bernie at some point

but i don’t remember

[ornate zenith]

I don't even understand what there is to dislike about what he says, it's all incredibly vague anyway

[knotty crow]

yeah i was gonna say how are you feeling alienated by what green day says

that’s kinda sus in my opinion

[ornate zenith]

"no war" "protect human rights"

[ornate zenith]

Yep

[last glen]

You can criticise America without hating America

[ornate zenith]

If you feel alienated by the stuff he says, look inward because damn. He's not very nuanced

Alienated because music man said let women and lgbt people and brown people live their lives

[last glen]

I still find it funny how the maga crowd is mad over the live show, what were they expecting

[ornate zenith]

Grumpy snowflakes

[knotty crow]

if billie joe armstrong is “extremely far left” that must mean democratic socialists are off the political compass entirely

christ lol

[ornate zenith]

He really says the tamest shit ever that is either 1. angry because fucked up stuff is happening or 2. expressing support for people who need it

[last glen]

Billie can think and say whatever he wants. That's why it's called an opinion. I don't see why it's a problem for some people. Boo hoo.

[ornate zenith]

The person above was saying they don't have a problem with the music over it they just dislike him for saying it

I find disliking him for saying it pretty odd

[knotty crow]

also “middle of the political scale” is not a thing

just to add

everyone who claims to be a “centrist” is just a right winger that’s too afraid to admit it for some reason

not really related but that always rubs me the wrong way

[last glen]

I doubt anybody is TRULY a centrist. Residing around the middle is one thing, but being truly center is near impossible imo

Can't stand people who claim they're a centrist when it's damn clear they aren't

[worn gull]

I wasn’t really a fan of the whole renouncing citizenship thing.

I’m not american. But just seemed a bit OTT lol. And empty

[ornate zenith]

The renouncing citizenship thing was pretty dumb to say. I chalk it up to him being angry and saying something dumb off the cuff. Not really on par with his usual comments

Wrong thing to say while angry for the right reason

[worn gull]

Its just those type of comments that make me go “oh”. Is probably a better way of articulating it than what I said earlier

lol

[last glen]

Yeah I see it as an impulsive thing, happens to the best of us

[worn gull]

Gotta be careful when you have a platform I guess.

[ornate zenith]

“This song isn’t anti American it’s anti war” is the usual Holiday intro after all

[worn gull]

True. Its on the AaF album haha

[knotty crow]

plus it shouldn’t be controversial to denounce MAGA

like if that’s where it’s getting to

that’s pretty fucked

every rational person should be against that shit

[worn gull]

Man I ain’t no conspiracy theorist but I reckon that was on purpose and probably paid for lmao

The articles

And shit

[ornate zenith]

He says shit like that every single time they play live

[worn gull]

Cos he has said worse on more public stages

Yeah

Manufactured Promotion for Saviors

The label probably hyped it up tbh

I don’t imagine billie being a sellout

Also:
#2 in Aus

None of the singles charted here tho

[last glen]

Really hope they keep this energy up for album 15

To break the cycle of good album, bad album, good album, bad album streak

[worn gull]

Well they had Good Good in AI and 21CB

i reckon anyway

[last glen]

True

[worn gull]

Maybe in 2029 we’ll get a banger

[knotty crow]

started with 21cb really

[last glen]

Surprised to see so much 21CB hate lately

[worn gull]

Followed by garbage two years later

[knotty crow]

21cb good, trilogy bad, revrad good, foam bad, saviors good

trilogy isn’t even that bad in my opinion but just to make the point

like in comparison it’s pretty bad

[worn gull]

Trilogy is too much of a mess

[last glen]

Well its definitely not like they won't have stuff to work with for album 15 lmao, world is fucked still

[worn gull]

Couple bangers hidden under a load of shitty overproduced songs

[worn gull]

I wonder if billies voice will hold up another 5-6 years tho

That seems to be their schedule

[last glen]

2028 more likely, ever since 2000 they've been on a 4 year ish cycle, except for 21CB-Trilogy

[knotty crow]

4 years in between albums really

yeah

[worn gull]

Ah. I thought it went 2000, 2004, 2009

Whoops

[knotty crow]

trilogy (2012), revrad (2016), foam (2020), saviors (2024)

well yeah it did

but

in the more “modern” era

[last glen]

Maybe earlier though now that they have a better contract seemingly

[worn gull]

Cos then we’d have 2020, 2024, 2029 surely haha.

Foam = 2020’s warning, Saviours = 2020’s AI

[last glen]

It did

[worn gull]

😂

[last glen]

21CB was the outlier

But 21CB was also a massive album so it probably just needed more time to cook up

[worn gull]

I read that Billie was superstitious about people stealing his shit and didnt reveal the lyrics to anyone including tre n mike for AGES

[knotty crow]

green day was one of the biggest acts in the mainstream after american idiot’s release, it would make sense if most of those 4/5 years in between albums were mostly touring

[worn gull]

Also alot of pressure to follow up AI with a banger

[knotty crow]

not that i was old enough to remember the era after american idiot

but that’s what i would assume

[worn gull]

Green Day were huge back then

Like huge

Absolutely everywhere

Especially Billie

Ofc

[knotty crow]

to be honest i always thought mike was cooler than billie

but tre was funnier than all of them

[last glen]

Kinda sad with all the 21CB hate lately

[knotty crow]

21cb is one of my top albums of all time

i don’t get the hate for it

[ornate zenith]

It's insane to see people talk about 21CB like it was some disappointment

[knotty crow]

masterpiece start to finish

[ornate zenith]

That shit was so big

[last glen]

My top 5 is

[ornate zenith]

It was everywhere

[knotty crow]

except 21 guns but other than that yk

nearly perfect

[last glen]

I love 21 guns idc if the other songs are better, 21 guns still bangs

[ornate zenith]

Like regardless of whether you like it, it's so weird to see people who clearly either weren't paying attention or just weren't there talk about 21CB like it was a failure

[last glen]

I wasn't even really a rock fan at 6 years old but damn did I love 21 Guns

[knotty crow]

by the time i was actually able to start remembering what came on the radio i think green day had kinda fallen out of favor with the popular stations up here

i don’t remember hearing any green day on the radio

at any point

of course my mom didn’t listen to rock or alt stations

which is why

but yeah

[last glen]

GD had always been around in the background my entire life, but I truly became a hardcore fan back in 2015, and with RevRad coming out the following year it was a great time

Didn't find out Trilogy existed until after RevRad dropped though, never heard about it. I was confused on where that song in NFS came from and then it made sense

[knotty crow]

the first album cycle i was around for was father of all

so

not the greatest lol

[last glen]

Stop When The Red Lights Flash being in a NFS game is so funny to me

[knotty crow]

vibes in here were great for saviors release though

[last glen]

I wasn't in the community in 2016 but I was definitely keeping track of RevRad during its cycle

[knotty crow]

i was the only green day fan i knew at the time father of all came out so i had no one else to talk about it with

[last glen]

I was painting my kitchen when FOA single dropped, completely out of nowhere

[knotty crow]

kinda fits i guess?

[last glen]

Yeah

Have a very similar story with GD that I have with Muse, they were always on in the background and became a big fan around the same time

[knotty crow]

i didn’t get into music until i was 13

before then i never went out of my way to listen to music

my mom wouldn’t play music in the house

she’s not really the type of person to get invested in particular artists

her music taste consists of whatever comes on the top 40 stations at any given time

not saying that’s a bad thing but because of that i never really heard more than a couple songs from artists

then when i was in eighth grade i got the music video for clint eastwood by gorillaz randomly recommended to me, was in a big “cartoon” phase at the time so i watched it because it looked cool and i was hooked

immediately went out and listened to all of their albums

then my music taste just kinda went out from there and i found green day in ninth grade

[worn gull]

No dookie? Wow! Interesting

[knotty crow]

mine is probably

nimrod -> 21cb -> american idiot -> revrad -> insomniac

[last glen]

It's no 6 for me

[worn gull]

Mine changes too much

As I’ve said a million times.
Awesome as fuck sums up my favourites

Lol

[last glen]

I do love dookie, but I don't have any nostalgia for it because I didn't even exist in the 90s. I get why people love it so much, but in my eyes I see it as a bit overrated. I have no special memories connecting me to it

And despite dookie being one of their most popular, I wasn't exposed to its hits anywhere near as much as I heard good riddance.

[knotty crow]

dookie sounds very “same-y” to me

i know insomniac is the same thing but i also like the direction they went in with insomniac more than with dookie

i can connect with insomniac’s songs a lot more

[last glen]

Warning and all the albums before it I wasn't even born lmao

[last glen]

Yeah they blend together a bit too much, at least with AI and 21CB having a clear theme, I can differentiate which songs are which. With dookie and insomniac the only ones that don't sound "same-y" are their biggest hits

To me at least

[knotty crow]

green day’s most popular songs sound like they were specifically written to be radio hits

in a way they sound inauthentic

to me

like boulevard of broken dreams doesn’t sound like green day at all in my opinion

[last glen]

now that we have Saviors TADIKM sounds like it's a clear standout and I can't seem to come back to it

Not saying it's a bad song but it's clear that they intended it to be the main single

[worn gull]

They wrote it last

[last glen]

Yeah

[tired shale]

No, that's actually stupid. So sick of this "Overton window" scapegoat that leftists have used to demonize everyone who doesn't agree with them

[knotty crow]

i'm guessing you call yourself a centrist

based on that comment

[fierce trout]

Wrong

If you call yourself a centrist you’re most likely center right / right on a lot of issues

[last glen]

There's just too many people claiming to be centrists when they aren't

[knotty crow]

i've never seen an example of a centrist that actually supports any stances held by the democratic party (or any other equivalent)

but they sure do seem to love the republicans (and similar parties in other countries)

"the far left and the far right are equally bad" is another statement that makes me wanna rip my hair out

hmm yes one side is actively calling for genocide of minorities and the other side wants everyone to have a good standard of living

i wonder which side is in the wrong here

universal healthcare? oh the humanity! we can't have that now can we

[tired shale]

My god, this is actually unbearable

No I'm a leftist

Egalitarian, open to socialism, believes in free healthcare, education, taxing the 1% more, whatever

[tired shale]

According to what exactly?

[knotty crow]

the best description of centrism i've seen is with queer people standing on one side of a field, nazis on the other, and a liberal in the middle going "wait guys why don't you COMPROMISE??" when the nazis obviously want to eradicate queer people without remorse

[tired shale]

That's literal chronically online brainrot

[knotty crow]

that or the person in the middle being like "i think both sides are equally bad"

it makes no sense

[tired shale]

No, no, that's not what a centrist js

That's a fence sitter

[knotty crow]

that's what most people mean when they call themselves centrists 🤷

[last glen]

They are definitely not the same, but if there were a goal they did share, it's keeping people divided clearly

[knotty crow]

do you think anarchists support people being divided

or that communists hold that view

[tired shale]

A centrist is someone who, for example, believes in LGBTQ rights but also guns or believe in the death penalty but are against the large incarceration of minorities

[last glen]

Personally I don't like either of the parties themselves, but when it comes to ideology itself I find myself to be more liberal, and only conservative with unimportant things (like wanting preservation of physical media over just streaming or dumb stuff like that)

[tired shale]

This idea that centrists are "trying to compromise with activist groups and Nazis simultaneously" is insanely dull

The only reason people say shit like this is because they exist in a perpetual feedback chamber that teaches them that anyone who disagrees with them, even slightly, is some terrible fascist

[knotty crow]

clearly we're talking about different definitions of centrist

i think there was just a misunderstanding

[knotty crow]

i don't really care about this

like more or less this is fine

[last glen]

Likely yeah

[tired shale]

It's okay, it's not you I just hate the whole political climate

No hard feelings

[last glen]

Not sure if this should be in the Saviors discussion channel though tbh

[knotty crow]

but i know a lot of self-proclaimed "centrists" who think that the left and right are equally bad

which yk

not the case

[knotty crow]

you're right

i'm really bad at looking at what channel i'm in

[tired shale]

I think Americans are more easily propagandized by Republican media because our politics are largely center right and bought out by lobbyists like Koch, Shell, the pricks on Wall Street, etc

[knotty crow]

but yeah my point was it's not really possible to be (quite literally) in the middle for a lot of things

if one side supports the death penalty and the other opposes it what's the middle stance

[tired shale]

Most Muricans are grifters

[knotty crow]

also it's interesting looking at gun control in particular

because it's really only the moderate left that is in favor of strict gun control

or rather, wants to get rid of guns

and moderate left is being used in the loosest possible sense here

but you would be hard pressed to find an anarchist/communist that opposes gun ownership

[tired shale]

Getting rid of guns won't work, did the "War On Drugs" pan out?

So I totally agree with that

[knotty crow]

yeah exactly

i know a lot of people like to broadly state that the left is opposed to gun ownership

but that's not true

so i think a lot of people have a very warped idea of what leftists actually stand for

which is by design

[tired shale]

I think we have a very warped sense of politics

[ornate zenith]

Y'all are gonna hate this but at least keep it Green Day adjacent with the politics talk in this channel

[knotty crow]

i was typing a message in #975445187998388376 but decided i didn't wanna keep talking anyway so

i'm done i think lol

sorry about that

[last glen]

I'm just glad there are still people who are willing to talk about these things without being at each others throats, that's rare to see these days. But yeah I agree. This ain't the channel for it lol.

[ornate zenith]

I get how it happened since the conversation started out as green day related, just saying once it stops being green day related then it's not the place

[tired shale]

Sorry about that

[ornate zenith]

No apologies necessary

[knotty crow]

it just slips my mind as to what channel i'm in

idk why

i just gotta remember to move

[last glen]

It happens

[worn gull]

Surprised the Making of Coma City video didnt start with them listening to the Static Age

[last glen]

I have listened to Fancy Sauce over 1000 times

[north temple]

Saviors is the first new album I’ve been obsessed with in decades, probably since Dookie. I can’t get the songs out of my head, I listen to it at least once a day.

[indigo spruce]

I'm really happy to see so many people who like it, I wish I would feel the same. But I'm glad for everyone else

[worn gull]

I feel that.

[fierce trout]

I think it’s alright but not in my top 5

[knotty crow]

saviors is very refreshing after father of all

but pitting it against the rest of green day's discography it just doesn't really stack up

i was a lot higher on the album at release than i am now

[keen pewter]

I don’t think it’s top 5 for me either

I love it don’t get me wrong

but it’s probably like

7th

lemme think here

probably something like this

[knotty crow]

insomniac that low is criminal

[keen pewter]

I love Insomniac but it’s about tied with Warning

[knotty crow]

nimrod
21cb
american idiot
revrad
insomniac
warning
kerplunk
dookie
saviors
uno
tre
39/smooth
dos
father of all

[torn lily]

Take back that dos placement

[keen pewter]

I like dos but easily the worst of the trilogy

[devout brook]

[ornate zenith]

I'm gonna listen to Dos right now and think of you, Josh

[torn lily]

I don’t like dos but it is the album of all time so I like it

[keen pewter]

mmmphpmmmphhhff

[ornate zenith]

Excuse me

[violet jay]

[celest hawk]

Saviors over 21st… bold pick

[violet jay]

Indeed bold

[fierce trout]

It’s so over

[echo eagle]

Really? 21st over Dookie and Saviors? Kerplunk i guess i can live with. Nimrod is too low. Insomniac too low. W otherwise

[knotty crow]

i have 21cb above dookie and saviors in my list too

[echo eagle]

what about Nimrod?

[icy fossil]

[knotty crow]

nimrod is my #1 green day album

i have the little american idiot logo flair but that’s just because i think it’s better than the nimrod one

nimrod is my favorite album of all time though

[echo eagle]

ohh good

my man

ok good list then

[echo eagle]

fair enough

[icy fossil]

Imagine accidentally using as a saviors emoji instead of

[jolly zealot]

wrong Tre is worse

[jolly zealot]

cool take, never seen this one before

[violet jay]

Yes 21st century over dookie, saviors & Kerplunk and nimrod is lucky to get that high insomniac probably wont be any higher besides being above uno and thats it

[north temple]

I’m curious about how old y’all are & what album/age you discovered favorite idiots. I’m also born in ‘72 like them, Dookie was my intro at 22, which is why Saviors just hits the sweet spot for me. Mostly I prefer their work through AI, & just like stuff here & there until UDT (I like em better when they’re less serious). But FOA is definitely last for me too.

I’ve pretty much grown up with them and their lyrics have stayed consistently relevant and often hit home in a very timely manner (especially the more personal songs). I relate to almost every single song on Dookie, which is what sustained me during some of the shittiest years of my life. Then songs like X-Kid come along right when I’m start to feel the passage of time and how I used to be, like, more alive.

[violet jay]

2009 when I went to go watch Transformers Revenge of the Fallen I was around 3 or 4 heading to the movies to get ready to watch it with my dad we got there I was so excited when we go into the movie and started watching their was scene that started playing 21 Guns and I fell in love with the song when I went home searched up transformers movie 2 songs and got 21 guns when 21st century breakdown was a brand new album I slowly started liking it but it would take me another 4 years when I turned 8 years old and in the car with my mom and Wake Me Up When September started to play at first I wasn’t all that interested since I was only 8 and didn’t care for slow songs now it’s my favorite Green Day song ever because I can relate with it on a whole deep feeling fast forward to 2023 summer heard Green Day was releasing a album so decided to re listen to some of their albums joined this server in December listened to their whole discography and that how I was introduced into the band so I’ve been a somewhat fan since 21st Century Breakdown

[north temple]

Gd does that make me feel old 😆. Kudos for your google-fu at the tender age of 4, I couldn’t even tie my shoelaces at that age.

[worn gull]

I got introduced to Green Day through my mom's old Pandora account, and then their weird promo with Angry Birds Friends

My older brother covered Good Riddance a lot so that was probably the first song I heard from them, aside from maybe Basket Case and American Idiot??

[north temple]

Maybe not coincidentally, I had undiagnosed (until 2y ago) add & anxiety and I always wondered how come none of my other friends liked Basket Case as much. Like Billie I’ve had drinking issues too, until 8 years ago).

I even went through a ‘I drank so much I became a little plump’ phase like Billie right around age 30 as well.

[north temple]

I missed the Angry Birds promo, imma have to look it up.

[worn gull]

It's a trip

I thought it was the coolest shit back when it first came out, but it's pretty laughable now

They also did something with Slash but I had no idea who he was at the time lol

Apparently, they did a crossover with Shakira?

[violet jay]

Yeah I remember I searched it up on YouTube and wow is it a whole different site from when I searched up that song lmao making me feel old and only about to turn 19

[north temple]

I just found the angry birds trailer and I’m immediately curious about playing the game again 😆. I’m guessing their kids were into the game (all of mine were, plus me & my wife) so it was prolly a fun idea. And they prolly take the Rollins approach of saying ‘yes’ to opportunities.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pIyesS5mrdc

[worn gull]

I swear I remember the trailer having Troublemaker instead

[ornate zenith]

Damn right below t swizzle

[torn lily]

no

[violet jay]

Booooooo Fuck Taylor Swift

[knotty crow]

boring take

[obsidian harbor]

She’s good wdym

[violet jay]

She’s awful and annoying

[fierce trout]

She’s fine

I think the extreme hate from some people against her is unwarranted

[knotty crow]

yeah

[plush warren]

She is extremely talented and successful

[icy fossil]

Fuck Taylor Swift, fuck Swifties, Green Day deserves to be number 1

[keen pewter]

I mean

I’m not gonna sit here and act like a rock band 20 years past their prime deserves number 1

[obsidian harbor]

you can dislike her but jesus you guys are acting like she killed your families

[fierce trout]

exactly

[fierce trout]

it’s not that serious

[obsidian harbor]

i was trying to find the way to say this, green day isn't extremely relevant to pop culture so i cant tell whether the hate is out of jealousy or not

[keen pewter]

there are valid reasons to dislike her but nobody is stating them lol

[obsidian harbor]

literally

[keen pewter]

I’m not gonna defend the swifties because yes they’re annoying and they suck

but it’s mainly just

“waaaaah pop star bad punk rock good 😡😡😡😡”

is there better pop music out there? YES! is Taylor the worst pop star out there? NO!

[worn gull]

Some people say the same about Billie

[celest hawk]

But Billie says “IT’S GETTIN’ SERIOUS!!” 😉

[violet jay]

She killed my dog terry I won’t forgive her

[violet jay]

Every time I’ve heard her music it seems to almost be the same thing every time about heartbreak or relationships and stuff like that I know her audience is little girls and such but I can’t like her music cause it isn’t the right melody or rhythm I like and another thing it sounds stupid but I remember back in 2021 or 2022 I was reading that Damon Albarn said Taylor Swift Doesn’t write all her music herself that writing with another person is called co writing and it’s entirely different from writing your own material and Taylor swift took great offense to it which idk why but erk me like okay if you co write with someone than you didn’t write that song yourself but she wants to say she is a independent woman and can do it all on her own and takes credit as a solo writer which great for you but you sound like another entitled woman like independent woman rise up kinda BS and plus her fan base Swifties are mostly annoying girls who think she’s the holy grail of music and everyone has to respect her and if you don’t we cancel your entire life and you can just cry about it and think about what you thought was wrong and that just doesn’t give me a good impression about Taylor swift herself if most not all but most of her fans act like that

[violet jay]

I like pop music and like punk I don’t like some pop and I don’t like some punk Taylor swift just happens to be one of the pop stars I just dislike

[violet jay]

I can definitely see why I enjoy Billie only for his music and story’s he tells but sometimes wow does he need to chill with some things he says

[worn gull]

Honestly Green Day fans are more annoying than Swifties

Swifties are mainly children.

Green Day fans are adults who act like children

On a stupidity level it’s probably equal tbh

[violet jay]

I’m a Gorillaz fan I’m in the middle worst than Green Day fan but not as much as a swiftie

[violet jay]

Lmao

[worn gull]

Blur > Gorillaz 😈😂

[violet jay]

I won’t disagree I love Blur so much as well they both have their own takes on music I Prefer Gorillaz but Blur is a legendary band Damon Albarn is just a Music legend wherever he takes his music same with Graham Coxon

[fierce trout]

it’s literally not this serious

chill out

[ornate zenith]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation

That shit's impossible to read

[celest hawk]

Would that make us sweet children?

[violet jay]

You said give some reasons I did now you say it ain’t serious lmao

[violet jay]

Nah I’m good unless this is a English test grade I don’t care

[fierce trout]

just reminds me of when I was 15 and got angry at everyone who listened to rap and pop music because it wasn’t “real music” to me
now I realize it doesn’t matter and people can enjoy different things and we don’t have to hate on them for it

[ornate zenith]

Offering as a way to make your messages readable rather than a wall of run on sentence

[violet jay]

I don’t care what you listen to do what you like I just don’t like her music

[violet jay]

I like running though

[worn gull]

There's a fat joke somewhere in here

[violet jay]

Lmao

[keen pewter]

I can’t even process what half of this is fucking saying

use punctuation or something bro holy shit

I’m also not going to accept “her music is the same thing everytime” as a valid argument when we’re all Green Day fans

they’ve released the same album like 8 times and we eat that shit up

[violet jay]

Too bad

[ornate zenith]

Can you take your Taylor swift hate somewhere else, zero point in filling this channel up with it. And don’t be a dick.

[violet jay]

How am I being a dick lmao

[ornate zenith]

Overall clogging this channel up with immature “fuck Taylor swift” run ons

[last glen]

It's one thing to not like her, her music, or her extreme obsessive and annoying fanbase, but that's some extreme hating right there. Why is anybody surprised she's #1

[violet jay]

Well I’m sorry I will stop 👍

[violet jay]

I was joking early when I said she’s fucking awful and annoying I don’t hate her that much but I do dislike her music since it isn’t a rhythm or melody I like my apologies either way I will stop and chill

[obsidian harbor]

Saviors at number 1 album sales rn

[worn gull]

Josh just won the discord. Someone transfer ownership

😂

[tiny plover]

The fangirls thread on GDC is funny. Some ppl got warnings from the mods, because they were obsessing over Billie's ass

I think the people are in like their 30s probably who say that

But it's fine, watch king for a day, he is hot

[ornate zenith]

Oof Saviors dropped to #87 on the billboard 200 for its second week. Oh well they've always struggled with however the fuck "album sales" are calculated now in the streaming era

Also I found out like 10k album sales were left out since they were from independent record stores. So the charts really don't matter at all for this one, that's crazy

Dilemma also still on the rise on the rock and alternative charts, #22 and #14 respectively. Up from being at #27 on both last week.

[keen pewter]

surprising that Dilemma rose on the charts despite Saviors dropped tremendously

also sucks that 10k album sales were left out, but I'd rather support local record shops than purchase from somewhere else so it "counts"

[ornate zenith]

Charts are ultimately whatever, just fun to look at for me

[ornate zenith]

I think it makes sense, album sales being people buying or listening to the entire thing, versus streaming songs and radio airplay

Probably not a huge number of people listening to the whole album on streaming regularly or however the fuck album sales are calculated now

Lots more people listening to the singles

Makes sense with how music promo works now, I think so at least

[torn lily]

What?

That’s bullshit

[ornate zenith]

Yeah it's weird, goes to show how dumb the music industry is

"Under the updated album equivalent ratios, 1,250 premium audio streams, 3,750 ad-supported streams, or 3,750 video streams are equal to one album unit."

So if you listen to songs from the album on streaming a total of 1,250 times without ads that's one album sale

Yeah no wonder they dropped to #87

By that logic if I hadn't bought the vinyl and CD, I wouldn't be counted as even one album sale despite listening to it like 150 times beginning to end

Well

150 would be enough but that was an exaggerated number

Real number is like 50 times just on streaming or something which wouldn't be an album sale according to Billboard

I understand it's not really meant to be on an individual person basis, but damn

Album sales is probably just an obsolete metric at this point

[knotty crow]

very few artists can pull in huge sales numbers now

i think midnights by taylor swift still sold about 3 million? so artists at that level can bring in sales like that

green day in 2024, not so much

[keen pewter]

the only artists that can pull 1m first week these days are Taylor and Adele

and maybe Drake

and maybe Eminem

[hallow creek]

I've heard that somewhere but i'm not sure what the source is because I read an article stating that as of 2024 there is more accurate independent record sales data. It used to be estimated but now they are using actual sales data from 95% of all independent stores

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/luminate-changing-record-store-sales-count-billboard-charts-1235555332/

[ornate zenith]

Hm

This is pretty vague about it https://m.hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=339248&title=GREEN-DAY-ROCKS-THE-RACKS-AT-INDIE-RETAIL

And that luminate change took effect December 29th

Honestly yeah sounds like they probably mostly were counted then yeah

Assuming that with the start of the year and it being a major change the indie stores actually reported it to them or something, I dunno how it works though

The 10k claim is probably based on assuming the old method and being unaware of the change

[hallow creek]

My guess is the Billboard thing said 95% of indie stores that sell 1000 records a week and HitsDailyDouble is saying there are smaller shops where sales aren't reported but those smaller shops also sell much less so I don't think the number would be huge

[ornate zenith]

Yeah it's hard to imagine stores selling under 1,000 collectively adding up to that many

[hallow creek]

The HDD chart also isn't making clear if those charts are just sales from stores that don't report or a mix of all indie stores some of which report and some that are too small to count

[ornate zenith]

I'm gonna chalk it up to bad vague journalism

Again not something I'm informed on at all but that feels like something that shouldn't be that hard to track in 2024

Like come on people don't speculate

[hallow creek]

Yeah the whole thing is a pain in the ass to track now, I try and source numbers for sales for the album sales page on the website but it's hard getting anything other than streaming numbers with any accuracy

[ornate zenith]

Perhaps the opposite of what I said then, but maybe it will get better with luminate changing its data tracking

But bad journalism either way I'd say, since that billboard article you linked directly contradicts what the hits daily double article says

[worn gull]

Ooft

[brisk pumice]

Nooooo

I’m doing my bestttt I haven’t even listened to songs other than Saviors since it dropped🥲

Maybe I need to buy more vinylvariants

[lofty yacht]

Its behind a drake album that came out like 6 years ago

[worn gull]

Yep

[eager swan]

I wana ask a noob question.

Do all members of Green day receive royalty for a particular song or is it only Billie?

[keen pewter]

they should all receive royalties

although Billie might receive a little extra if hes the only songwriter I think

[fierce trout]

It’s fucking over

[eager swan]

I think Billie receives most of the share since he's the primary songwriter

Say 60% - 20 %- 20%

[ornate zenith]

Most songs are credited as “Lyrics by Billie Joe Armstrong, all music composed by Green Day”

Unless they have some other arrangement we don’t really have a way of knowing about, I’d assume it’s divided equally on account of it being credited to the band

The standard for royalties is dividing it equally between credited writers. Unless otherwise noted, the credited songwriters are Billie Joe, Mike, and Tre

According to ASCAP they can have a different allocation to each writer rather than split equally, and I can’t find a totally verifiable source on it but everything points to them splitting credits/royalties equally which is what I’d expect

[tiny plover]

I guess Mike writes his parts

Tre has to have some writing input the same way

Maybe they sometimes figure out the structure of a song together or something

But Billie seems to write most of it

Like The Longshot, but if that had the other two, I think the bass and drums would have had more "personality"

Like mike's writing

Tre may have added a thing or two here and there

I would give credit to mike dirnt as think of something like Castaway and the bass riff

Gives the song more personality

Adds strenght

[ornate zenith]

Billie definitely does most of the writing when it comes to lyrics, melody and chord changes and he's said so, but yeah I imagine they all come up with the actual parts they're playing. Either way all of them get officially credited as songwriter on pretty much every song besides a few exceptions

[tiny plover]

Makes sense

[keen pewter]

I think after all this time, I can confidently say my least favorites on the album are Saviors and One Eyed Bastard

the only songs I skip on the album are OEB, Saviors and also Father to a Son

[fierce trout]

Me too

i got big news for you

[devout meteor]

so real

[ornate zenith]

I skip zero songs because I’m cool

[icy fossil]

Same

[eager swan]

Billie's vocal effect in Saviors reminds me of 21stcbd and AI. and I kind of like it.
Goodnight Adeline has got be my least favourite one , I just can't get into it

I listen to father to a son till the 2nd chorus ,then I skip next

[tired shale]

People really love mopey butt rock Green Day

[jolly zealot]

I disagree the Saviors filter (and melody) reminds me of Rev Rad

[indigo spruce]

This is unbelievably cute, but the song makes it feel like a tragic love story

[icy fossil]

Squirrel do be eating deez nuts

[static flint]

cuz i’m still breathing

[last glen]

Making my way to 10K slowly but surely. 6K more to go!

[fierce trout]

When is #Album15-Discussion

[lean wadi]

my exact thoughts

[icy fossil]

Why so many plays?

[ornate zenith]

Why have you listened to a song a lot

[last glen]

why not

[eager swan]

Yeah why not

[ornate zenith]

Dilemma still rising on the charts, nice

[keen pewter]

love it

[ornate zenith]

Yeah I'm sure you do

[keen pewter]

Why are y’all struggling so much to play one instrument? I can play bass, drums and guitar easily

[pseudo copper]

I'd say im an intermediate guitarist
Is that like amazing or average for someone who's only been playing for like a year and a half?

[bronze swan]

I’m a pretty good guitarist

I can play basically whatever (just not shreddy metal solos)

And I can sortve play drums, I can hold my way through a jam sesh on them

[eager swan]

I started learning guitar by playing Metallicas interludes

[jolly zealot]

this place is dead

[tiny plover]

I started with playing green day songs with one string, then chords with sloppy playing and after that got better, I got guitar lessons and learnt techniques, so now I could be a metal rhythm guitarist pretty easily and maybe do some easier solos

I just gotta learn more songs

I've played for like 6 years

[eager swan]

Album 15 discussion when?

[keen pewter]

Fuck it

[icy fossil]

Sometime never idk

[ornate zenith]

Album 20 discussion

[violet jay]

Album 25 discussion

[icy fossil]

Album 30 discussion

[eager swan]

Funny that I've never actually considered the triology as 3 separate albums but as 1..

So Technically album 14 is number 12

[ornate zenith]

I think that would be the opposite

You consider it 12 but technically it's 14

[eager swan]

and Mechanically it's a vinly

[ornate zenith]

Dilemma still rising on the charts

#12 on rock airplay and #8 on alternative

[tiny plover]

Deserves to be high and even bigger

[keen pewter]

Saviors

[eager swan]

Album 15 when ?

[subtle ravine]

Fr bro we've waited long enough where's the next album!1!!1!1!1!1!

[violet jay]

Album 15 coming out 2027 or 2028

[bold relic]

Bet on 2028

Green day is election band now

[heady flume]

We’ve waited a month

[heady flume]

2027 most likely

[tiny plover]

Album 15 is garage rock

Fans wouldn't like it

I want something new

Not garage rock, not classic GD

[acoustic canopy]

we already got garage rock

[tiny plover]

Something unexptected

[tiny plover]

That is why it would be funny

[heady flume]

How about ska

Or heavy metal

[tiny plover]

Everyother album has been that

[heady flume]

Or pop rock

[tiny plover]

Idk if they would do that

Maybe pop rock

Maybe ska

[heady flume]

I’m pretty sure for ska they can get a horn section

[tiny plover]

Idk, but I think they can do something cool

Clearly they are still interested in doing cool shit

Not just a legacy act

[heady flume]

An album that’s there like normal music but they have trombone loudly playing in the background would be good

[tiny plover]

That would be very GD already

[heady flume]

Ok

[tiny plover]

Just because of King For A Day and Jackass

[heady flume]

Maybe they make a streetlight manifesto style album

[heady flume]

King for a day is cornet and trumpet

[tiny plover]

I think GD will keep on sounding like GD

Well who knows

[heady flume]

Like an album in the style of somewhere in the between that would be fucking perfect they need to do that

[tiny plover]

I expect another the network album tho possibly

[heady flume]

And on jackass that’s alto and tenor sax

[heady flume]

Have it be dookie the sequel

And name it piss

[tiny plover]

Maybe liquid dookie

Finally own it

Sequel to dookie

As angsty as the original

No grumpiness, just angsy

Angst

[heady flume]

Yes but piss would be funnier since piss means pee and dookie is shit

Like literally

Not trying to say it sucks

[ornate zenith]

Oh also Dilemma went up on the charts some more

Crazy how it's been slowly creeping up

Sitting at #8 on both rock and alternative

Wonder if it'll hit #1 slow burn

[eager swan]

Idk man, blinks One more time is dominating whatever chart it's in and I don't see green day in that list.

Anyways , my guess for Green day's next Album would be another FOAMF as Billie did mentioned that he wants to do another album like it. But idk man because it's hard to believe Whatever Billie says

[keen pewter]

tbf blink-182 has a whole reunion to back up their album

[ornate zenith]

I’m talking singles and One more time isn’t even in the rock airplay top 40 anymore, also dilemma is at #5 last week I misread. One more time is at #2 on alternative last week too while Dilemma went up to #7, the two songs have pretty much opposite momentum as far as airplay goes right now

Sources: http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/fmqb/charts.asp?format=6 http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/fmqb/charts.asp?format=5

For context, Billboard uses Mediabase for airplay data

[tired shale]

Saviors is clearly better than One More Time cause GD was always better than Blink. No dissing to Blink but it's true

People always rag on Green Day now, I don't get it

[keen pewter]

Saviors is better than OMT imo but I’m not gonna discredit the quality of OMT

that album is great but Saviors just does it better

[plush warren]

I agree ^

[weak lily]

I think both their music is too different to say one is better than the other

Totally different vibe between omt and saviors

[weak lily]

I mean you can look at charts to see which is more popular but it’s all a matter of just what you like better. They are both spectacular albums in their own way

[keen pewter]

yeah OMT is basically just “omg guys lookie we’re back together and better than ever 🥺🥺🥺here’s another anthem song!!”

and Green Day is basically “no guys wait I promise we’re still good here get a taste of this sick political song 🤬🤬🤬🤬”

[weak lily]

Yea fr

Lol

[weak lily]

Not in a bad way though on Green Day

[jagged wing]

when is it coming out?

[ornate zenith]

When are you coming out

[pseudo copper]

2028 maybe

[tired shale]

Album 15 is gonna be a Drill album and is releasing 2025 as a celebration of Saviors success

[half verge]

a what album

[keen pewter]

a drill album

[half verge]

i have no clue what that means

[keen pewter]

drill is a type of rap music

https://youtu.be/mnYttEgWNfA?si=OauG-AV1ga60T6xH

example

[half verge]

oh

[eager swan]

Instead of Billie it features Tre on the lead vocals.

[weak lily]

And axl rose in the background

[echo eagle]

Yooo W Green Day. They deserve to be there obviously...just hoping ppl have finally come to their senses lol

shi theyd be number one rn too if Taylor hadnt completely exploded again

[obsidian harbor]

Bro ur a month late lmao

Also they fell off the week later

[echo eagle]

wow thats an old ah message 😭

[obsidian harbor]

Rock just isn’t as popular

[echo eagle]

ye i woulda figured

[echo eagle]

however, its is just as good. in fact better 😎

tbf its still big just nowhere near the whole 90s alt and grunge movement

[meager finch]

rock got way too popular in the 90s

[formal plank]

Yeah, it did, though the 2000's were a great decade for rock (especially 2004, and not just because of American Idiot).

[last glen]

I did it

[plush warren]

That’s crazy 💀

[icy fossil]

Saviors with the original picture

[heady flume]

Looks the same to me

[fierce trout]

Look at the face

[fallen saddle]

I will Post this Text here too:

Will "Saviors“ be the First title Track That will Not be played on Tour? What do you think?

[fierce trout]

I mean FOA wasn’t really played regularly

[ornate zenith]

I doubt Saviors will be a mainstay on the stadium tour setlist, but I also doubt they'll never play it

[keen pewter]

I can see them never playing it tbh

[ornate zenith]

I could see them not playing something like Suzie Chapstick live but never ever playing the title track is crazy, they use the lyrics in promo stuff even

[keen pewter]

Green Day rarely makes rational setlist decisions

this is the same band that chose to play a KISS cover every night of tour instead of one of their own songs

and honestly Suzie Chapstick could work as an acoustic encore thing that Billie likes to do

[ornate zenith]

Like I said I don't think they'll do it on the main tour, I think they'll do it for a smaller show

Like this house of blues show tomorrow, that sort of thing

[keen pewter]

here’s my official predictions of saviors songs being played live

TADIKM - staple
Brains - staple
Bobby Sox - played occasionally
Dilemma - staple
OEB - played occasionally
1981 - staple for this tour then ignored
Goodnight Adeline - never played
Coma City - small shows only
Suzie Chapstick - never played but maybe acoustically?
Strange Days - small shows only
Living in the 20s - never played
Father to a Son - never played
Saviors - never played
Fancy Sauce - never played

[ornate zenith]

Hmmm

If they weren't saying "calling all saviors" every time they announce something I'd agree with all of that except maybe swapping bobby sox and look ma no brains. Honestly I figure if any songs are staples it's the singles, and 1981 since they'd already done that one a few times now

But also mixing my own hopes in there because I really want all the bada bings and "do you wanna be my boyfriend" I can get

[keen pewter]

I can see Bobby Sox staying too. I’m leaning towards occasionally since it seems like a song that’s vocally taxing

1981 could stay too. I’m just assuming based on the band’s past setlist activities

I can totally see 1981 staying and Brains being ignored

[fallen saddle]

Do you think strange days will be played? I think it would work Great live

[ornate zenith]

I'm with josh on that one, probably for club shows but not bigger ones

[keen pewter]

@ornate zenith I was wrong!

[ornate zenith]

Hah

Suck my fucking dick

[ornate zenith]

This fucking awesome though

I never would have expected it

Wasn't gonna watch a shitty phone stream before but now I am

[keen pewter]

I was probably gonna watch one but now I’m making it a point to watch one

please don’t butcher Suzie Chapstick my beloved

[ornate zenith]

I like how our entire conversation is invalidated by this

[keen pewter]

they butchered her

after last night’s show here’s my updated Saviors Tour Setlist prediction:

Dookie (in full)
Saviors
TADIKM
Look Ma, No Brains!
One Eyed Bastard
Dilemma
Brain Stew
Bang Bang
Hitchin a Ride
Minority
American Idiot (in full)
Good Riddance

there’s probably knowledge somewhere in there if they still do the guitar thing

[ornate zenith]

Playing Saviors first instead of in its place in the track listing definitely leads me to believe they plan on playing that one more

[keen pewter]

Agreed. It also supports this theory I saw that Saviors was supposed to be the original opening track

[ornate zenith]

Only early track listing I saw had Dilemma as the opener

[violet jay]

I want them to play Blood, Sex & Booze

[fierce trout]

It’s not happening bro

[ornate zenith]

Have they even done that before

@keen pewter setlist boy

[keen pewter]

have they done what

played BSB?

Last time they played it was 2009 yeah?

DNA Lounge?

someone fact check me

other than that they haven’t played it since the warning era

fine I’ll fact check myself

I’m correct

the other 2009 performances were just acoustic before Good Riddance but the only full band performance was the DNA Lounge

in conclusion, no they won’t play it on tour

[keen pewter]

this also makes sense

[ornate zenith]

Yeah that's why I asked you buddy

[keen pewter]

I barely even need fact checking

I’m just that guy

[ornate zenith]

When's the last time they played Westbound Sign

[keen pewter]

i don’t think they ever played it if I’m being honest

[ornate zenith]

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME

[keen pewter]

I JUST TOLD YOU THEY’VE NEVER PLAYED IT LIVE

🐐

[ornate zenith]

Will they play it for the Saviors tour

[keen pewter]

less than 0% chance

if they bust out Westbound Sign at any point on the Saviors tour I’ll post a picture of my ass

[ornate zenith]

If they play Westbound Sign on the Saviors tour, I'll jack off on my vinyl copy of Insomniac and post a pic here

[bold relic]

absolute W for westbound sign fan

[fierce trout]

they’ve NEVER played westbound sign?

That’s surprising

Well

It was soundchecked in New York 1994

[last glen]

Considering how much fan service has been done so far lately I wouldn't be too surprised if they did play it

[eager swan]

Anyone got the video for fancy sauce live?? Can't find it on YouTube

[last glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRFIqGmsHkk

[jolly zealot]

guitar is off a lil

[subtle ravine]

Dilemma would've been one of the best Green Day album openers if they went with that

[swift flare]

this is out dated

get on it setlist boy

[keen pewter]

i already sent me updates prediction

[keen pewter]

cmon man

[ornate zenith]

Couldn't be more wrong, embarassing

[keen pewter]

I guess technically you could have “never played” replaced by “only played once” and I’d still be correct

but I’m more confident in my latest setlist prediction

[tired shale]

Friendly reminder, Fever sucks

[fierce trout]

yikes bro…get with the program..

[keen pewter]

[swift flare]

I'm predicting Fuck Time 10 times in a row

[half verge]

im surprised they've played fuck time at all

[ornate zenith]

Dilemma still making its slow burn chart climb, is #4 on rock and alternative airplay now. Up from 5.

[keen pewter]

#1 would be sick

[plush warren]

^^

[ornate zenith]

Hot take

[fierce trout]

Actually i think it would be lame

[tulip stratus]

it's a good song but it really doesn't need #1

[keen pewter]

no it doesn’t need it but it’d be cool

[tulip stratus]

its like some of my favorite green day songs like oh love and st jimmy, I literally love those songs so much but they wouldn't do good at #1

[tulip stratus]

honestly yea

[ornate zenith]

Not sure what not doing well at #1 means because charting high means it's popular, but Oh Love is one of their most successful singles ever and topped hot rock and alternative for almost two months, along with reaching the hot 100

[keen pewter]

it’s really crazy how well Oh Love did commercially considering it’s widely forgotten these days

[ornate zenith]

Yeah people forget that right up to iheart/rehab they were still on top of the world, oh love probably would have charted higher too

[weak lily]

Charting does not determine how good a song is

[ornate zenith]

It’s just popularity

[keen pewter]

agreed

Still think it’s be neat

[ornate zenith]

I’ve got 10 grand of my mom’s money down on dilemma charting on the billboard hot 100 by may

[keen pewter]

that would be fucking insane to hit the Hot 100

even crazier since it’s happening way after the single dropped

[plush warren]

Dilemma hit #1

[bold relic]

im all in

[fierce trout]

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/green-day-dilemma-tops-rock-alternative-airplay-chart-1235645180/

[fierce trout]

It’s #2 on mainstream rock

[violet jay]

LETS GOOOOOOO

[eager swan]

Suzie chapstick didn't chart? I know it's not a single but i should've chart

[fierce trout]

No…I wouldn’t have expected it to lmao

[ornate zenith]

Do people know what charts are

A non-single isn’t gonna chart. Sometimes singles don’t even chart because they might not get enough airplay

[keen pewter]

why on earth would Suzie Chapstick chart? 😭

the only time non-singles chart is when a massive artist drops an album (Taylor Swift, Drake, The Weeknd, etc)

[hearty solar]

Ermmm, what do you mean massive artist? Green Day is a massive artist and way better than that Taylor Swift and Drake! 🤓

[fierce trout]

green day...isnt...massive? its joever bros pack it up

we had a good run

[keen pewter]

I mean technically yes and no, obviously massive but not “new album charting the entire hot 100” massive

just current mainstream shit

[fierce trout]

Yeah ik i was being sarcastic

[ornate zenith]

Green Day is mainstream rock, and still about as big as it gets for mainstram rock these days. Hence why a single released in December tops the rock charts in April. But that's as far as mainstream rock goes these days

Also the two main singles so far from the album both being chart toppers is pretty big, almost revrad level. Interested to see how it gets when the tour is ongoing because there's gonna be plenty of publicity and promo with that I'm sure

[hollow mason]

I unironically agree with this tbh

[ornate zenith]

Cold take alert

[grave trench]

hot take alert

[keen pewter]

how are you talking while muted what

@ornate zenith bro how is that possible

[ornate zenith]

Yeah I noticed

[grave trench]

i have no idea

but im happy i can atleast talk in this

[ornate zenith]

Something wrong with perms

Trying to address it

[grave trench]

oh

if i get a permanent ban can i still join back

[ornate zenith]

You're not supposed to have access to any channel while muted, please don't use this channel for this topic

You can ask in #create-ticket

[violet jay]

Bypassed the system lmao

[ornate zenith]

Wrong channel nick

[weak lily]

Sorry my bad

[ornate zenith]

@restive widget this server isn’t for selling stuff

[brazen palm]

skill issue

[slow crest]

What happened with this?

Green Day biopic?

[ornate zenith]

Nothing officially as far as I'm aware

[slow crest]

Damn

[ornate zenith]

Could even just be something didn't end up using

[pseudo copper]

Is it weird that when LMNB came out as a single i listened to it like non stop now it's the song i listen to the least compared to every other songs from the album?

[ornate zenith]

No

[tired shale]

Has it ever been confirmed what that song is about?

[bold relic]

about him tell his mom he got no brain

[tired shale]

Well duh

I thought it might've been about if he had stuck in that pessimistic, couch bound attitude he had on albums like Dookie to the point where it drove him insane but he doesn't care because he's "special" and "doesn't need help"

[errant oak]

Can someone PLEASE convince my brother that Saviors isn't the best album? His list is messed up.

So far its

[half verge]

Yeah he's wrong 21cb should be higher than insomniac

and maybe dookie is a bit low

honestly i can see how saviors might be someone's favorite

[violet jay]

Saviors is like the 5th best album not 1st smh

[errant oak]

Same w/ me

[brazen palm]

dos tre 1039 and nimrod really said goodbye

[fallen saddle]

Well, in the end of the day It’s his opinion

[weak lily]

Fr he can like wtf he likes

[pseudo copper]

i noticed a few days ago that the album sounds pretty overproduced tbh

[ornate zenith]

How's that? I think the mixing is superb, great EQing great leveling nothing feels harsh or jarring but the instrumentation is generally pretty sparse outside a few songs I'd say. Vocals guitar bass drums. Seems like everyone means something different when they say overproduced though, curiosu what you're thinking. When I think overproduced I think like FOAM with the vocal filters and stuff.

[pseudo copper]

Like, i'd say Saviors sounds kinda "cloudy" and not as dry as Dookie to RevRad (especially Insomniac)
It's kinda like Help by the Beatles

[hollow mason]

Hey guys, now that Saviors is out, what do you think the next album (most likely coming out in 2028) is gonna be called?

[ornate zenith]

Saviors 2

[barren plinth]

American Idiot 3

The sequel to dookie, Flush (2028)

[torn lily]

Piss

Sequel to dookie

Or prequel I guess

[violet jay]

It’s gonna be piss the prequel to dookie than Pee Pee Poo Poo the Sequel to Dookie

[weak lily]

Dls the sequel to kerplunk

[hollow mason]

That sounds like a legit album name tbh

[bold relic]

Green Day

[errant oak]

He hasn't listened to them yet

[keen pewter]

Dumb album fucking sucks

[errant oak]

Hot take but ok

[hollow mason]

Yes, they're finally gonna do a self-titled album

[plush warren]

I thought saviors was gonna be self titled tbh

[high cave]

wdym

[weak lily]

Not as good as 39/smooth

[brazen palm]

lmao

green day - an album by green day

[weak lily]

Its not far fetched