Saviors Discussion

[ornate zenith]

Yeah you have a few seconds of that and then it immediately goes into something totally different, the riff returns a couple times but everything else is entirely its own song. Which is why "OEB just sounds like So What" feels like really lazy criticism to me

Riffs that sound kinda like other songs are a dime a dozen

Kinda refreshing to have some songs that aren't just power chords

[deft violet]

I can't wait for the new version this week. I wonder if we'll have a music video and all that

[rancid arch]

The whole MAGA thing was perfect timing.

Free marketing.

[jolly zealot]

then just leave it and dont rip on it

[fierce trout]

Am i not allowed to say my opinion about one song that I don’t really like

Do I always have to unequivocally like everything Green Day puts out

it’s not like im telling people that they’re wrong for liking it

I just wanted to say what I thought and that was it

I even said im open to changing my mind when the official version is released

[keen pewter]

I’m also not huge on OEB

I thought it was great when I first heard it but it grew off of me

[deft violet]

IT'S NOT OUT YET GUYS JUST WAIT A FEW DAYS

[keen pewter]

and now after hearing the last 3 singles, there’s a huge dip in quality between them

[keen pewter]

?

I mean I’m sure the production will be better but I’m not banking on the song being insanely different

although I’m excited bc, as far as I’m aware, this is the first time I’m the history of the band that we had a demo leak and then that song appeared on an upcoming album

[abstract grove]

it happened on 21st century breakdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB1eeL0uLIw&ab_channel=CerealKiller

[tired shale]

What dip in quality? The dip in the quality of your hearing?

I'm just playing lol but these songs are incredible back to back, I got a good feeling about this album.

[keen pewter]

I mean between One Eyed Bastard and the 3 for Saviors released so far

[keen pewter]

aaah, was always under the impression that this leaked after the album for some reason

oh wow

I was way off

can you imagine a song like 21CB leaking before the album

or like being there and hearing the leak for the first time

[ornate zenith]

Post-album leak of a song on the album

[jolly zealot]

L opinion

jk

[ornate zenith]

About as allowed as people are to say it doesn’t sound like so what, so yeah. Opinions encouraged and counter-opinions too

If you weren’t allowed to share your opinion we wouldn’t have even discussed it

[fierce trout]

I was responding to this person telling me not to say anything

[keen pewter]

I meant specifically a demo

man

[subtle ravine]

Holy shit he sounds way closer to his style of singing in American Idiot

Interesting

[ornate zenith]

Oh I missed that part my bad

Nothing wrong with people saying they don’t like a song. But if you’re gonna respond at least be constructive

[ornate zenith]

Don’t do this please

[ornate zenith]

Oh so we’re moving the goalposts

[keen pewter]

no man no I’m just bad at speaking

[ornate zenith]

I’m just trying to get you to send enough messages to get NF back

[keen pewter]

what a supportive moderator

[ornate zenith]

No better way to send a lot of messages than to get in a pointless argument on discord

[keen pewter]

looks like I need to spend more time in #greenday-chat

argue with more 1981 believers

[subtle ravine]

That's were all the arguments are

[subtle ravine]

Hello I am a 1981 believer I love that song

[keen pewter]

you’re wrong

song sucks

worse than troublemaker

[subtle ravine]

C'mon it's not as bad as troublemaker LMAO

Troublemaker is alright

[keen pewter]

it’s not as bad as troublemaker it’s worse

[fierce trout]

1981 is GREAT

[subtle ravine]

For me there's no worse GD song than Here Comes the Shock

[ornate zenith]

Here I’ll start one

[keen pewter]

great is insane

it’s fine at best

Dilemma is great

[fierce trout]

I guess you’re not banging your head like 1981

[ornate zenith]

Dilemma isn’t great it’s GREAT

[keen pewter]

1981 is not on the same level as Dilemma

[subtle ravine]

Dilemma is TRASH!!!!!!!!

Worst Green Day song WVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[keen pewter]

I will track down your location and kill you with my bare hands

[subtle ravine]

LMAOOOO

I'm kidding I love Dilemma so damn much

Look Ma is the only song so far I'm meh about

I loved it at first but repeat listens haven't been kind to it for me lol

[keen pewter]

literally all 3 singles wipe their asses with 1981

[fierce trout]

😦

[jolly zealot]

my bad dude

yo the amount of people hating on Green Day rn is insane

[deft violet]

Bang Bang is incredible, Revolution Radio is generic but good, Still Breathing is meh and Youngblood is bad. As of now, I feel way more positive about Saviors

My bad bro

[fierce trout]

I like bang bang and revrad. I don’t like still breathing

Dilemma is like still breathing but 100x better

[keen pewter]

Bang Bang > TADIKM
RevRad < LMNB
Still Breathing < Dilemma

[eager swan]

You didn't say that

I really tried to get into Dilemma but I just can't.
Only thing I like about the song is the riff and the bridge.
TADIKM is just bland imo.

[worn gull]

The world when OEB finally drops

https://tenor.com/view/earth-globe-explode-gif-14366757

[obsidian harbor]

On god

I just feel likes there’s more power behind revrad

[fierce trout]

i like RevRad more than LMNB

i like chromatic stuff

[tired shale]

Bang Bang = TADIKM

Rev Rad < LMNB

Still Breathing < Dilemma

[deft violet]

BangBang^2 = (√π.LMNB)+(RevRad/Dilemma-TADIKM)+SB

[deft violet]

Rolling Stones review !

[ornate zenith]

I feel like you could move the move coefficient over to the other side

Be a bit cleaner

BangBang = ((√π.LMNB)+(RevRad/Dilemma-TADIKM)+SB)/2

[deft violet]

Like this then : BangBang = √((√π.LMNB)+(RevRad/Dilemma-TADIKM)+SB)

[ornate zenith]

Well hold up

You just got rid of the 2

[deft violet]

I added the square root

[ornate zenith]

Oh was that supposed to be bang bang squared

[deft violet]

Yeah

[ornate zenith]

Use a ^ for those

[deft violet]

You're right my bad

[ornate zenith]

I thought you were multiplying by 2

[deft violet]

Nothing like an useless conversation to earn NF next month

[ornate zenith]

Gonna need a few more of those probably

[deft violet]

Sounds exciting ! It seems like this album really is Green Day doing what they do best. Big rock, punk anthem and snarky lyrics, couldn't ask for more !

It is the first mention of Fancy Sauce channeling Nirvana isn't it ? Plus we got confirmation that the chorus of One Eyed Bastard didn't change, ah !

[ornate zenith]

I figured the OEB lyrics would be about the same. I’m more interested on if the overall arrangement is different at all

[deft violet]

Shall we start another OEB production controversy today ?

[keen pewter]

“the bisexuality of Bobby Sox” oh my god PLEASE I need another bi Green Day anthem

[deft violet]

We'll know this week, maybe we'll get a snippet today to tease the release tomorrow or friday.

[eager swan]

Since the leaked OEB and the new version have the same length, i am almost completely sure the songs structure will remain the same.
I believe Covallo did some magic

[bronze swan]

Why aren’t we talking about this

This is so awesome

[eager swan]

Yeah they mentioned Fancy sauce too.

[deft violet]

And no mention of the title track lol
I can't wait to hear that "unremarkable piece"

I imagine something similar to RevRad title track

Good but so GD there's not much to say about it

[rancid arch]

Sounds like we have a banger on our hands.

Americans Idiot is #48 on Itunes right now, looks like the NYE show was great marketing.

Back on the radar just in time.

[obsidian harbor]

Literally

I’m so glad coma city is getting good rep

[ornate zenith]

Green Gay more like Green Bi

[obsidian harbor]

The bi flag but tinted green

[worn gull]

I hope this is foreshadowing Green Day comeback #2

[worn gull]

Ah shit

[knotty crow]

dude i really hate that piano in the verses

sad they didn’t take it out

every time i listen to OEB it just takes me out of the song

[ornate zenith]

They just posted it where

[knotty crow]

not the full song

[ornate zenith]

Oh

[knotty crow]

it’s a 19 second snippet in their newest tiktok/instagram reel

yeah

[ornate zenith]

I like the piano

[knotty crow]

i feel like the vocals should have been made a bit louder

during the pre-chorus (“vendetta is a friend of mine”) in the leak it seems like the guitar especially is too loud compared to the vocals

[wispy flicker]

Vendetta is a friend of mine. Revenge is sweeter than wine.

[knotty crow]

i thought the same thing

all we got was the “keep one eye open” post

and then this teaser here

i mean i guess it sort of makes sense to have a bit of the new single in the latest album promo

probably later today or tomorrow they’ll post something about OEB

[worn gull]

It's probably coming out tomorrow

I kind of want to go to one of the listening parties, it would be cool since it's the day after my birthday

[knotty crow]

right

[worn gull]

The bass sounded a bit louder

[knotty crow]

i thought the same thing, haven’t all of the other saviors singles come out on a thursday

or maybe look ma no brains didn’t

[worn gull]

I think TADIKM came out on a Tuesday

[knotty crow]

ah yes right

[obsidian harbor]

I think OEB sounds good

[knotty crow]

i like the song

[plush warren]

Damn I was at least hoping for a production update 😭

[knotty crow]

just a little disappointed that the song more or less seems to be the same

yeah exactly

[plush warren]

It’s all good though

[rancid arch]

I like the bass though!

[ornate zenith]

That teaser is super low quality

Kinda hard to tell if it’s had some production changes honestly

I’ll reserve judgement for when it’s out

[rancid arch]

I do think the instrumentation is very slightly different.

The drums are less Holy Toledo.

[ornate zenith]

I think it’s the same recording but there’s ridiculous clipping and stuff yeah

So I can’t tell if the mix is different

Well it definitely is the same recording

[obsidian harbor]

There’s small changes

The piano is a bit quieter too

[ornate zenith]

I think it’s gonna have more oomph to it with the official release still

[rancid arch]

Less reverb on the piano.

That’s for sure with the teaser.

[obsidian harbor]

Not much of a big difference but I love it

[ornate zenith]

If the tone of guitar is gonna match the other songs and stuff

Then it’s gotta

I like the leak anyway so I’m excited

[obsidian harbor]

Yeah guitar is probably just redone

I loved the song already

[rancid arch]

I’m listening to both, and the instrumentation is definitely very slightly different.

[ornate zenith]

I expect the drums to be mixed a little differently too because the leak drums don’t sound quite like the other saviors songs either

[rancid arch]

The guitars are definitely more in line with Dilemma.

I LOVE the bassline.

[subtle ravine]

The bass is way more noticeable in the mix now I realize

[subtle ravine]

I personally like it a lot, it adds to the song more than it detracts for me

But I get where ur coming from

[rancid arch]

I'm just very happy that it seems like a FOAMF era reverb isn't there.

[plush warren]

Is there gonna be another single after OEB?

[slow crest]

Maybe a single once the album drops

But we’re so close to the release date we probably won’t get another single after this

[obsidian harbor]

I doubt we’ll get another single before the album drops

[rancid arch]

Ok, this definitely isn’t the exact same as the demo OEB.

[obsidian harbor]

Yeah it’s not but it’s very similar

A lot of the extra effects are gone which helps the song really sound good

[rancid arch]

OEB really gives me Say Goodbye vibes.

[obsidian harbor]

Idk about that but it’s a unique sound which is always appreciated

[subtle ravine]

I'm so tempted to drive for an hour and a half to the nearest record store there is over where I live that's gonna do the Saviors listening party thing

[obsidian harbor]

Me too

[subtle ravine]

I might actually do it fr

[obsidian harbor]

But also I would I have to drive to the Bay Area and that’s a bit of a drive

[subtle ravine]

OH NVM THERE'S ONE THAT'S LIKE 10 MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE LMAO

I'll definitely go then

[obsidian harbor]

Zamn

[last glen]

The record store near me NEVER gets these listening party events

[indigo spruce]

My nearest record store (~2h drive) has literally no information about it on their website despite being listed by green day so I messaged them through instagram

[brisk pumice]

I’m going to the London one

How early is it good to go to these things, anyway?

[brisk pumice]

It’s a lot base-ier and I like that

[sacred bone]

what are the others

[keen pewter]

Coming Clean is really the only one

[indigo spruce]

"Just wait till all the guys get a load of me" -> King for a day is also definitely a bi anthem

Although the main theme is gender nonconforming I'd say

But didn't billie say he doesn't really consider himself bi anymore because he's been in a monogamous relationship with a woman for decades?

[ornate zenith]

I guess we’ll see

It’s up to him after all

[azure helm]

no suzie chapstick its actually so fucking over

[rose halo]

Someone said the new album leaked

[azure vigil]

what

[knotty crow]

it was a troll post

[deft violet]

I wish

[tired shale]

Lmao

OEB is just the demo with a different mix

[worn gull]

Fun fact: Dilemma released on my birthday

[tired shale]

Nice

[obsidian harbor]

Why are there literally NO listening parties through the entire central valley

It’s crazy to do this in California and not have a single one near Sacramento

[hearty solar]

how far is the closest one to you?

[sacred bone]

Its crazy theres more in CT than in some continents. The layout is weird.

[sacred bone]

From a 2010 article... the link to the article doesnt work and this excerpt is quoted from the article being quoted on reddit....

After almost 16 years of monogamous marriage to the same woman — a minor rock ‘n roll miracle itself — he says he’s not sure if he’d still call himself bisexual. “But I’d never say that I’m not,” he quickly adds. “I dont really classify myself as anything. And when it comes to sex, there are parts of me that are very shy and conservative. I want to respect my wife.”

[jolly zealot]

Yo I'm not sure OEB is coming out tmr

[sacred bone]

Hoping tmr but fridays ok.

Thoughts on the album cover? I feel like its on the low end of green day covers for me. Hoping some song adds context that improves it

[hearty solar]

It’s definitely lazy

[knotty crow]

i don’t have any strong feelings about it

[eager swan]

Yo The new OEB teaser . Seems like they did some proper mixing. The bass seems kinda loud

Do you think they're releasing the song as a single because the song was leaked and they're aware of it?

[sacred bone]

Theyre defintly aware of it but i dont know if thats the reason

[eager swan]

At this point i can't be optimistic anymore.
The rolling stone article stated Dilemma as one of the Best songs on the album, which i thought was mediocre.
American dream was an Okayish radio friendly song.
LMNB was the only one I could feel the adrenaline although I knew it wasn't gona be a hit.
And now we have OEB which I feel is an okay song but not a single material

[knotty crow]

form your own opinion once the album comes out

just listen for yourself

don't base your entire opinion of an album by some other source

[deft violet]

Yeah it's probably the same recording. The loud bass is great, I hope the chorus is louder that's all I ask.

[jade basalt]

The wait for this new single drop, and hopefully new video, is killing me!

[deft violet]

Same man, I hope it's today or tomorrow

[subtle ravine]

Maybe the One Eyed Bastard was the friends we made along the way

[brisk pumice]

It’s a midnight release, comes out midnight January 5th

At least, on spotify

[jolly zealot]

Meaning tonight when it hits 12, correct?

[brisk pumice]

Yup

so, wherever it’s already midnight the song’s available then

[tired shale]

Or you could visit the subreddit and get it there

[jolly zealot]

thx

[rancid arch]

The mix is so much better now.

No more handclaps, no more reverb, more bass.

[worn gull]

I clicked on it, it says "video not available"

[abstract grove]

what is the video aspect? is it a music video? a lyric video? just the music?

[rancid arch]

Just music.

Song is the same as the demo, but it’s different enough to feel so much nicer.

[ornate zenith]

Video not available

[worn gull]

This actually slaps

[ornate zenith]

How are you listening to this

[subtle ravine]

VPN lol

[worn gull]

Its available on spotify in my country lol

[ornate zenith]

Oh

Well I will be waiting until tomorrow then

[subtle ravine]

It's a midnight release

[ornate zenith]

Nice

[worn gull]

xD

[subtle ravine]

THEY DID YEAH

[ornate zenith]

I will be listening at midnight

Claps all over the place must have been a bitch walker thing or something

Bitch walker lol

[lofty yacht]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I can not wait!

[subtle ravine]

No doubt

I have no doubt that Rob listened to the demo and knew exactly what to remove LMAO

[ornate zenith]

All over foam and then in OEB

It works sometimes but not everywhere

I like them in graffitia

But I’m glad they’re gone

[subtle ravine]

Yup

OEB sounds better without them

Some reverb was added to Billie's voice at certain parts of the song and i think it sounds great

[worn gull]

I'm probably going to be up at midnight anyway, so I'll just wait

[plush warren]

Yeah same I’ll wait

[obsidian harbor]

I don’t really trust the rolling stone article

Ever since they called horseshoes and handgrenades “four chord garage slop” and called last of the American girls a love song

[ornate zenith]

How many chords do they want

Three aren’t enough

Neither are four apparently

What do they want, five chords? Ludicrous

[indigo spruce]

Random thought, but imagine if the band wore zombie makeup and prosthetics for their record release show, how awesome would that be?

[rancid arch]

OEB actually slaps.

That bass adds so much to the song.

A lot more punchy now, especially with the added backing vocals.

[brisk pumice]

This ^

[last glen]

It's mostly the same just improved. It wasn't a bad song before, just needed some fine tuning. Which it got. I'm happy with it 😄

The backing vocals help it so much

[rancid arch]

That final “you son of a b#### you’re gonna beg and cower” 🤌🤌🤌

[knotty crow]

oh i'm glad that line is more powerful in the album version

listening to the leak i was disappointed it wasn't aggressive enough

[rancid arch]

Wonderful episode.

[subtle ravine]

What did he say about it?

I haven't been able to listen to it fully

[obsidian harbor]

Listening rn

“I was looking at your nonalcoholic beer” is such a funnier opener for Billie to say

[quiet berry]

the documentary?

yeah i heard about it

that era is kind of interesting ngl

thats cool

i started listening to it and i already knew this before but billie has such a good music taste

he likes everything

[obsidian harbor]

He just talked about how he basically wrote the whole song by singing into his voice memos app

[indigo spruce]

Finally I know where his lyrical obsession with bottle rockets comes from

He shot 80 with them when they first met

How cute

[deft violet]

Why nobody ever ask about C&V 😦

[bronze swan]

The Longshot is a Replacements tribute band and Billie won’t admit it

I’m not saying that like dissingn the longshot lmao

Just a lot of influence from the Replacements there

[brisk pumice]

Wait when he met Adrienne?

[obsidian harbor]

Yeah he said their first interaction was him shorting bottle rockets at her and her boyfriend

Before he even met her lmao

[indigo spruce]

Now I know what I always did wrong when I was flirting

Gotta try this new strategy

[tired shale]

Bottle rocket rizz

New OEB is such an improvement over the demo, much crisper sound, Mike adds a lot with his bass and no handclaps, which I honestly didn't mind.

[deft violet]

Even the backing vocals add a lot. Mike is the MVP here

[jolly zealot]

Guitar Technician: Andrew Hans Buscher
Coordinator: Bill Schneider
Backline Technician: Bill Schneider
Guitar: Billie Joe Armstrong
Lead Vocals: Billie Joe Armstrong
Assistant Mixer: Brian Judd
Unknown: Butch Walker
Unknown: Chris Dugan
Mixer: Chris Lord-Alge
Unknown: Duncan Fuller
Producer: Green Day
Unknown: Greyson Smith
Unknown: Jacob Spitzer
Unknown: Mark Aguilar
Bass: Mike Dirnt
Backing Vocals: Mike Dirnt
Drum Technician: Nathaniel Mela
Producer: Rob Cavallo
Unknown: Scott Moore
Masterer: Ted Jensen
Drums, Percussion: Tré Cool
Lyricist, Writer: Billie Joe Armstrong
Writer: Mike Dirnt
Writer: Tré Cool

Unknown Butch

[deft violet]

What's it from ?

[worn gull]

how have some people got access to one eyed bastard on spotify?

[tired shale]

VPNs

[worn gull]

i just tried a vpn it didnt show up, when's it supposed to release?

[tired shale]

Midnight

[brisk pumice]

My one eyed bastard isnt showing up

And its midnight 01 here

:c

[tired shale]

I have the leak of it from the subreddit

[brisk pumice]

I’ll screen record and send you a video if you want

[deft violet]

Got it 1 minute ago here :p

[worn gull]

na it's cool i appreciate the offer tho

[brisk pumice]

How are you two minutes ahead

[deft violet]

It's 00:02

[worn gull]

i'll see if its on my spotify in an hour

it better be

[deft violet]

It's midnight local yeah

[brisk pumice]

Then shouldnt it be out

[deft violet]

It is

[brisk pumice]

Oh

It’s not showing up in spotify for me yet

[deft violet]

What time is it for you ?

[brisk pumice]

00:04

Lmao

[worn gull]

it might be as simple as refreshing the app or restarting your device

[brisk pumice]

I did that

[jolly zealot]

Youtube Description

[worn gull]

hmm

[brisk pumice]

😭😭

[worn gull]

istg it better be on my spotify in an hour

waiting fr

[brisk pumice]

Oh bruh 💀

Spotify is dumb as fuck

Because I’m subscribed to Spotify UK

[worn gull]

ahh

that might be it

[brisk pumice]

I’m guessing it only cares about the UK timezone, i could be in Katmandu for all it cares

And i cant change my location

Meaning

I have to wait another hour

[worn gull]

well i guess we're in this wait together friend

[brisk pumice]

Ngl I may just sleep

I’ve heard it before, I can hear it tomorrow without staying up till 1am

Spotify, you suck

[deft violet]

open.spotify.com/album/3u8itVPtqaNeve1Ufw5dvd?si=E6RNkRYUTaK-ewHWUjnGvg&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A3u8itVPtqaNeve1Ufw5dvd

[indigo spruce]

I fucking love this song, it somehow feels like destruction and chaos and power, midnight black and blood red

Like I could slay my enemies to it and look hot while doing so

[keen pewter]

it’s my least favorite of the singles so far but it’s still pretty good

Dilemma
TADIKM
LMNB
OEB

[indigo spruce]

I think I also just really like it because it reminds me of say goodbye and east jesus a bit, and because I've listened to it since the summer when it leaked

[last glen]

For me it's Dilemma > LMNB > OEB > TADIKM

[indigo spruce]

And they removed the tambourine, that reminded me of fbht way too much

[knotty crow]

dilemma > lmnb > tadikm > oeb

is my ranking

[keen pewter]

actually I changed mine

Dilemma
LMNB
TADIKM
OEB

1981

[deft violet]

The studio version of 1981 will be awesome I'm sure

[plush warren]

Excited to hear it tonight 🥹

[deft violet]

It's fun I don't mind it

[plush warren]

I agree

[subtle ravine]

1981 is such a fun song man

[deft violet]

The singles remind me a lot of 21CB

TADIKM = 21CB
LMNB = Know Your Enemy
Dilemma = 21 Guns
One Eyed Bastard = East Jesus Nowhere

Same vibes

[obsidian harbor]

I don’t think dilemma and 21 guns are similar really

Nor look ma

I can see the other two though

[subtle ravine]

Look Ma is miles better than KYE lol

[deft violet]

🤷

[obsidian harbor]

Eh, not miles better but it’s better

I think 1981 studio will be super good, in the same way everyone liked to act like they dreaded OEB until today

Yeah it has a much stronger layout

And I think the execution will be similar

[subtle ravine]

I prefer OEB to 1981 but I know for a fact the studio version will kick ass

[deft violet]

The second verse is awesome too

[obsidian harbor]

Bridge is really good

I wanna hear it studio

[deft violet]

So simple but effective

[subtle ravine]

Exactly

1981 is a real simple song

But it works in its favor

It reminds me a lot of Scattered

And I adore Scattered

Oh I can totally see the comparison to Favorite Son

Man I miss 90s/early 2000s Billie singing

I do prefer the cleaner singing he does now but his voice had more of a punch to it before I feel lol

[deft violet]

So a C&V song 😁

[obsidian harbor]

OEB is phenomenal

[forest crag]

Did they play oeb on the green day radio?

[jolly zealot]

Dude, that's sick! Nice Job!

[bronze swan]

What are they again

Like do they have the official ones out

[slow crest]

Butch Walker

Father of all producer

I love this lol

[jolly zealot]

Yeah I wonder which other songs he might have been a part of in the early phases (if any)

[oblique sky]

😂😂

Dilemma>LMNB>TADIKM>OEB>1981

[fierce trout]

I can’t listen to it

[ornate zenith]

It's not out yet

[worn gull]

7 more minutes dude

[ornate zenith]

Ooh

The mix is quite different

I like the vocals mix

[rancid arch]

https://youtu.be/aN8rJiwK_3U?feature=shared

[fierce trout]

Why are there four songs on the one eyed bastard single lol

Is that a mistake or

[ornate zenith]

All of them are like that

[fierce trout]

Oh

Alright I like it better than before. Still my least favorite of the singles (including 1981) but I like it much better

Than before

[knotty crow]

hearing all of these songs i definitely see what they were saying with saviors combining almost all of the band's previous sounds

you get a little snippet of each era

which is super cool

like oeb definitely represents the father of all era which i think is fun

way different vibe from tadikm or look ma

[plush warren]

Yeah OEB slaps

The background vocals add a lot I think

And the mix is just better as a whole

[ornate zenith]

I fucking love the vocals

[plush warren]

Also I preordered the signed cd literally as soon as they sent me an email 💀💀

[knotty crow]

hoping they play this one live just because i wanna hear an entire stadium chant "bada bing bada bing bada boom"

the vocals are awesome

they add that extra little punch that the song needed i think

the last "you son of a bitch you're gonna beg and cower" is so sick honestly

[ornate zenith]

I can't believe the quality of singles

Rivaling any other single lineup

From their other albums

[plush warren]

Honestly you might be right

[knotty crow]

these singles blow foam's out of the water

[ornate zenith]

These dudes are putting their whole coochie and dick into it

[knotty crow]

pretty handily

i do not dislike any of these songs

oeb would probably be the lowest in my ranking but that just goes to show how awesome these singles really are

[ornate zenith]

Easily tops the 21CB singles

[late hull]

Man missed out on the signed CD those things went FAST

[ornate zenith]

My expectations are 21CB level for this album

[knotty crow]

i have a feeling they'll do one more single after the album comes out

considering 1981 was played live a few times i would be surprised if it wasn't a post album single

[worn gull]

They said they have one more single coming out on TikTok

[ornate zenith]

I'm sure they'll have a couple more promoted a la TADIKM singles after the album drops

[worn gull]

Wait no, I misinterpreted their tiktok nvm

[knotty crow]

i don't know how to feel about the video

[worn gull]

Brainrot moment

[ornate zenith]

One of the others they've talked up a bunch like Bobby Sox or Coma City or something

Especially if Bobby Sox really is the bisexual anthem

[knotty crow]

oh yeah true

[ornate zenith]

I can't wait to hear those two

[knotty crow]

i feel like almost every song has been talked up a bit

save for a few

which is exciting

the band seem so pumped about this album especially compared to the marketing for father of all

[ornate zenith]

They are hyping the shit out of it

After the rolling stone review yeah same

[jolly zealot]

What do you think the giveaways at the listening parties are?

[knotty crow]

merch

[coral relic]

based on singles alone i’d say it’s on par or right below revrad for me. nothing to sneeze at though because i love revrad.

[jolly zealot]

lets go

[jolly zealot]

So far id say its better, imo

[eager swan]

OEB is just basically the leaked version with added reverbs to Billies vocals. Nothings changed.. they were just lazy

[coral relic]

maybe overall, but none of the singles top bang bang for me tbh

[knotty crow]

i think someone in here contacted a store that's doing the listening party and they said the giveaways will be merch of some sort

[ornate zenith]

Lazy? That was a leak not a demo, it just means they've worked on the song for years

[tired shale]

They didn't need to add much to OEB cause it was already good

It just needed polish

[ornate zenith]

They've made production differences since they originally recorded

[coral relic]

i actually have one near me which is super exciting bc events like this are usually an hour+ away from me.

[ornate zenith]

We weren't supposed to hear the leak

[eager swan]

I never said the leaked version was a demo. Yeah I can hear the bass more clearly but that doesn't do justice why the song sucks

[tired shale]

Why does it suck?

[eager swan]

Worst choice for a single imo

[plush warren]

Bruh can you stop being a negative Nancy

[coral relic]

i think the opening riff basically being p!nk is meh

[ornate zenith]

You don't have to like the song, the lazy bit was just confusing

[tired shale]

Could be but I like it

[coral relic]

other than that it slays

[plush warren]

Why did they release it on its own on Apple Music 💀

[tired shale]

Is it cause of the riff?

[worn gull]

Why not

[ornate zenith]

Try listening to So What again and see if you still think they're so similar

[sacred bone]

singles are released as singles.......

[plush warren]

Yeah but all the other ones have been from the album except this one

[coral relic]

actually haven’t done that, lemme do that

[ornate zenith]

It's all together on spotify

[eager swan]

Yeah I have issue with OEB because it's a single. Really.
It's an okay song but a single ?? Really??

[ornate zenith]

Yes really

Bands are releasing a lot of songs before albums come out now

[eager swan]

I feel like it's a half baked song

[ornate zenith]

Some are given more promo than others

[rancid arch]

Drums were changed and backing vocals were 100% added.

[ornate zenith]

Hence why TADIKM is the only one on cahrts

[plush warren]

And claps were removed

[coral relic]

not as egregious, but still a bit too similar for my liking. again though, rest of the song is good.

[rancid arch]

Bass is more prominent as well.

[ornate zenith]

The other songs besides Dilemma are just extra promo pretty much

[coral relic]

i love that the bass has a fat tone on it

[tired shale]

Green Day has a history of saving surprises for the album, I'm sure OEB isn't one of the best songs but it still works

[rancid arch]

You can actually hear Mike on this as well.

[ornate zenith]

Reminder that Know Your Enemy was the lead single for 21CB

[coral relic]

LMFAO

[jolly zealot]

Yay

[eager swan]

KYE was pretty rad actually. Atleast the production and mixing was

[coral relic]

was east jesus nowhere a single? i thought it was but i can’t remember 💀

[rancid arch]

And funnily enough, the only song that was released prior to the album.

[coral relic]

DAMN

[ornate zenith]

2009 was way different

When it came to album promo

One lead single months before

[coral relic]

^^^^

[tired shale]

For sure! I have a lot of hope for the album, the way the guys have been hyping it

[ornate zenith]

Ride that one until the album dropped

[eager swan]

Can someone record the full album on the 13th ??

[knotty crow]

it comes out less than a week after the listening party

[ornate zenith]

I'm sure plenty of people will

[coral relic]

remembering how foamf leaked a week early

and I burnt myself out on the album before it even came out LMFAO

[jolly zealot]

L opinion (don't get mad at me, it's my opinion that I think this is an L opinion)

[ornate zenith]

R opinion

[tired shale]

Gonna do the same with this

[knotty crow]

L + R + start + select opinion

[eager swan]

Dafaq is an L opinion

[ornate zenith]

Opinion wars

[sacred bone]

My issue with the riff being similar is mainly with butch walker not the band. I dont know how much Pink they listen to but Walker was in the music video for the song.

i love the song though

[eager swan]

Why does the riff have to do anything with a producer?

[ornate zenith]

Producers have creative influence on the music

[eager swan]

Well the riff is the same with Covallo too

[ornate zenith]

Indeed it is

You just asked what a riff has to do with a producer

[tired shale]

Genuinely disliking a song over a riff is a little silly imho

[ornate zenith]

I mean

It's valid to not lik a song because you don't like the main guitar riffe

[eager swan]

That guy was saying the riff sound like the pink song because of Walker

[ornate zenith]

I understand that

[tired shale]

It is, I just don't get it

[ornate zenith]

You asked what a riff has to do with a producer

[plush warren]

Could be, who knows 😭

[rancid arch]

I love how the prechorus explodes on headphones.

[jolly zealot]

Monkey

[tired shale]

Bada bing bada bing bada boom

[jolly zealot]

🐒

[plush warren]

Yeah it sounds so much fuller with the background vocals

[bronze swan]

MIKE AND TRE

FUCK ON OEB

LEGIT SOOOO HARD

ITS SO GOOD

[tired shale]

I need to listen to this on a good pair of headphones

This whole album

[rancid arch]

That final "You son of a b you're gonna beg and cower".

So much nicer.

[jolly zealot]

How do listening parties even work

[knotty crow]

a group of people gather in one place, the album is played over a speaker or sound system of some sort

and you get a live crowd reaction

depending on size of the venue

[ornate zenith]

Yeah I'm so used to OEB being the leaked song it's weird to see it on my spotify

And not because it's in a local files playlist

🥸

[plush warren]

Fr

[tired shale]

The visuals in this era are amazing! Love the animation in OEB

[knotty crow]

i love the use of mickey mouse in the video

really funny that they did that

[sacred bone]

its the best use of the character ive seen so far.

[knotty crow]

can't believe michael theodore mouse was in a green day music video

[jolly zealot]

Ok thanks man

[tired shale]

Mike is the MVP in this song

[knotty crow]

i didn't remember until you mentioned it earlier

[ornate zenith]

I do not remember

[plush warren]

I don’t remember either 💀

He posted a story doing that right

[ornate zenith]

Maybe you made it up

It's in your head

Wake up

[plush warren]

DAYUM

That’s exact

[manic stratus]

It do be the one eye bastard

[knotty crow]

one of the one eyed bastards of all time

[ornate zenith]

Who up one eye on their bastard

[plush warren]

My Halloween costume this year is gonna be the one eyed bastard

Moi

[ornate zenith]

She bada on my bing til I boom

[worn gull]

True, the character has never been used well in all of history, this is the first time the true potential of Mickey Mouse has ever been unleashed

[worn gull]

Wow, someone who also knows his full name!

[sacred bone]

post public domain

[worn gull]

His true potential was never realized before the public domain, constantly being held back by child-friendly ideals

Horror movies are only the first step, soon we shall have a flood of Mickey Mouse content that would make Longview sound like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

[keen pewter]

especially excited for Bobby Sox

I need a new bi song to cry to

[obsidian harbor]

I’m excited for coma city

[eager swan]

One eyed gay

[deft violet]

Man I can't wait for this album to drop. The singles are fantastic and from what I read, those will not even be the best songs.

Reminder

[reef oasis]

Why’d they straight up ripoff Pink tho

Like its not bad but it feels a little lacking from the last 3

[deft violet]

The American Dream is Killing Me
We already know this song. In fact, the song was released at the end of October as the album's lead single, and is also the opening track. It's the typical Green Day-esque triplet (see Longview or Minority, for example), complete with a short, melodic guitar solo.

Look Ma, No Brains!
Also in order, the second single released is also the second song on the tracklist. It's a much more adrenaline-pumping song than the previous one, in which the great influence that a group like the Ramones has always exerted on Green Day emerges. Short, and lightning-fast.

Bobby Sox
||The song starts with slow and somewhat "sloppy" vocals and guitar chords. After a couple of laps, the whole band attacks with a very aggressive sound. Billie Joe gives an almost metal vocal performance in the chorus, very scratchy, à la Chester Bennington (RIP), something rarely heard before by him in the past. The song itself is fun and catchy; there's even something reminiscent of Weezer in the poise and arrangement.||

One Eyed Bastard
Again the triplet rhythm makes an appearance, here more aggressive and "heavy", with a real riff that sounds almost like the Deep Purple of Black Night.

Dilemma
We all know about Billie Joe's problems with alcohol and substance abuse. A little less obvious that he decides to get naked and talk about it in a frank and direct way in a song with an unequivocal meaning. Chapeau.

1981
||Again the influence of the Ramones is very evident, for another direct and energetic song, perfect for live performances.||

Goodnight Adeline
||Here's the good old I-V-VI-V harmonic turn on the chorus (the one of U2's With or Without You, to be specific - a true passe-partout of pop and rock songwriting). It's the typical Green Day song with slow power chord accompaniment in eighths, very melodic and also passionate, since it also deals with the theme of addictions.||

Coma City
||The song tells the dystopian vision of a lawless city in chaos and disarray. It starts with an epic intro with guitar ostinato and drum and bass cuts. It closes with a very intense coda, with a nice drum performance by Tré Cool.||

Corvette Summer
||A beautiful declaration of love for rock music in its essence. The song itself is quite simple, almost garage rock, as befits a song with this intent.||

Suzie Chapstick
||It would seem to be another song dedicated to the theme of addiction, and probably to a person who is no longer with us. The very melodic guitar chords (complete with acoustic guitar, which peeps out for the first time on the record) have something vaguely Springsteen-esque about them. Of note: the song closes with a major seventh chord, a truly unexpected harmonic finesse for a band that bases almost everything on power chords.||

Strange Days Are Here to Stay
||It's the demented-apocalyptic piece that again draws from the spirit of American Idiot. The intro has something reminiscent of Billy Bragg's style: just vocals and power chord in slightly distorted guitar downstrokes.||

Living in the '20s
||A song that basically continues in the thematic wake of the previous one. The style is akin to the alternative rock of The Hives and here there is a first, real guitar solo (all on a pentatonic scale).||

Father to a Son
||The most moving track on the record. It is based on a very acoustic accompaniment (acoustic guitar, piano, strings) and non-trivial harmonic turns. The almost Beatles-esque string section repeats a beautiful ostinato.||

Saviors
||Bizarrely, there is nothing particular to say about the title track. An unremarkable piece.||

Fancy Sauce
||The last song on 'Saviors' opens with an arpeggiated vocal and guitar intro that sounds almost like a lullaby. Again we hear the unmistakable I-V-VI-V ride. It closes with a rather long instrumental coda, excellent to hear live.||

[deft violet]

Yeah a little, I'm not sure if it's because I've been listening to it since july.

[keen pewter]

can you edit this and put spoiler tags

like hide the message behind the ||spoiler tag||

I know the mods have said something before about trying to hide spoilers from those who don’t wanna see

[deft violet]

Done thanks mate

[reef oasis]

Where’s this from?

They haven’t all been leaked yet have they?

Also I find it weird the album name song is unremarkable

[deft violet]

It's from a listening party for journalists before their show in Milan

The article was taken down a few hours after it was posted

Some person didn't understand their NDA I guess 😄

Strange Days are Here to Stay with the ||Billy Bragg|| intro has me excited. You know Billie Joe is gonna nail it.

[eager swan]

I know for a fact that fancy sauce will be my favourite after Look ma

[forest crag]

Maybe it's because the version that leaked was in mono and maybe mastered differently

[deft violet]

It's very ||Nirvana-like|| apparently

[worn gull]

OEB IS SO FUCKING CATCHY

I CANT STOP LISTENING TO IT, I CANT BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO DISLIKE THIS

GREEN DAY DONT MISS. THEY DONT MIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSS

Jokes aside I really like this. Sounds like Green Day going early 2000s nu metal which is such a completely unexpected direction for them to go lmao

[indigo spruce]

Nu metal? I mean that final riff is pretty bouncy but it's still very far from sounding anything like linkin park or korn

[worn gull]

Maybe its the final riff that sounds nu metal-ish to me yeah, although yeah the guitars also sound Metallica-esque

[ornate zenith]

Maybe metal-ish

Nu metal would be like if Billie Joe were rapping over it lol

[quiet berry]

this is not metal but it's not bad

thank god for the leak because i wouldve bashed this song at first

[jolly zealot]

“One Eyed Bastard” is the last song Green Day will share before the release of their 14th studio album, Saviors, arriving Jan. 19. The LP —

Last Single

[deft violet]

Now we want for the album leak next week

It will be one loooong week

[ornate zenith]

Reminder that if it does, don’t share it or ask for it here

Personally I will be waiting for the official release

Not gonna go to a listening party either, I wanna be able to focus on the music

[obsidian harbor]

I think I could last a. Week

[wraith pine]

Does that count as the listing party

[pine jasper]

The 19th isn't that far away. I should probably pre-order Saviors so I can add that to my slow growing collection of every Green Day studio album on vinyl and CD

[pine jasper]

I'm pretty sure there is a listening party for the leak that could potentially release

And of course, there will be multiple when it officially releases

[ornate zenith]

The listening parties aren't for a leak, they're just playing it early

[pine jasper]

Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting 🤔

[ornate zenith]

Yeah they're just playing the album at those stores

They're official events and everything

[pine jasper]

Imma go wearing my Nimrod Trump shirt and a MAGA hat that has been mutilated with puff paint writing that says "I'm not a part of the (hat lettering of MAGA) agenda" 🤣

I don't want anything special for my funeral. Just some flowers and rock music lol

[deft violet]

I am very lame then. As long as I buy official merch I don't see the problem.

[subtle ravine]

I've seen a lot of comments saying that Green Day "stole" the riff of So What lmao

I just find funny that they're using the word stole lol

[ornate zenith]

If that riff is stolen from So What then so many other rock riffs throughout history are also stolen from other songs

Same rhythm, and they both do this sorta ascending and descending thing, but other than that they're pretty different if you compare them

TADIKM's intro would be closer to So What than OEB if it were in a minor key

It's about as "stolen" as BOBD is from Wonderwall

They're very similar, but still unique enough from each other to not be a ripoff

[subtle ravine]

LMAO this is a banger comment

[subtle ravine]

Yeah that's what I'm saying lmao

And like even if it was similar I don't see what's so bad about that

[fierce trout]

Did Green Dad write this comment

[ornate zenith]

I think someone else already mentioned that Black Night predates either song by decades and all three songs share similarities in the riff while all still being different. I think people that are saying it's a ripoff or that it just sounds like So What aren't really used to Green Day songs being based around a riff that isn't just chords, unless your name is JS Bach you're not gonna come up with a melody that is totally unique and still in key

That sort of triplet rhythm is pretty common in music because it's simple yet energetic

[ornate zenith]

Man I'm so excited for all of these songs

It feels like they've been working on it since revrad and did foam in between

So we're gettin almost a decade of effort into an album

Two weeks to go and it’s gonna be so long

I feel like I'm 11 waiting for 21CB to come out again

[plush warren]

Is anyone going to a listening party?

[deft violet]

None in my country 😦

[subtle ravine]

I am yeah

[obsidian harbor]

Hard maybe depending if my friend will drive with me

[plush warren]

Nice have fun

I wonder what merch they’re gonna have at them

[subtle ravine]

I hope they have the zombie shirt bc that looks so good but I don't wanna buy it from the GD store lol

[sacred bone]

Technically from the 80s. At least be wrong correctly.

[slow crest]

One eyed bastard is produced way better than the leak

Rob Cavallo always cooks 😌

He’s Green Day’s best producer

I love that steamboat Willie’s in the video also lol

[jolly zealot]

I Am

[wraith pine]

i am

[plush warren]

Omg have fun 🥳

[rancid arch]

https://youtu.be/4CP5ohENL2o?feature=shared

[rancid arch]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/green-day-new-saviors-song-one-eyed-bastard-1234940718/

[eager swan]

So basically the riff inspiration came from Black Sabbath and not a riff off from Pink.
Case closed

[indigo spruce]

How is oeb about nostalgia? I thought it was just about mafia stuff

[deft violet]

I understand it as being about bitter/negative nostalgia ? Like the bastard in question is your past self

[eager swan]

OEB is pretty good after a few listen.

Can't wait to hear Fever. Hopefully it's saviors version

[worn gull]

Yeah same

[deft violet]

Probably the same as OEB, same recording but different mixing.

[tired shale]

It's a pretty common riff, don't know what all the commotion was about

[ornate zenith]

Might have better luck asking in #greenday-chat

[jolly zealot]

Alright my bad

[deft violet]

👁️

[last glen]

IHeartRadio white exclusive, limited to 1000

[rancid nimbus]

is there a way to go to the listening parties through on the 13th online?

[jolly zealot]

my guess is no

[rancid nimbus]

[jolly zealot]

yea

[tired shale]

Looking forward to hearing side B

[simple oxide]

I agree. leaked clip sounded like FOA. kinda lame

[deft violet]

Well it's most likely a FOAM outtake

[worn gull]

IHeartRadio
ONE FUCKING MINUTE

[celest hawk]

The 1 minute variant 😂

[sacred bone]

can anyone read lips?

[keen pewter]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[ornate zenith]

100k let’s do it

[dense pumice]

Yeah im pretty sure it is. but nice to have a lil bonus song with (at this point) 11 other new songs

seriously cant wait for the album at this point. I love all 4 singles and the album could be their best since 21cb in my opinion so far

[eager swan]

I can already tell that production and mixing will be better than AI.

[worn gull]

11 MORE DAYS LESGOOOOOOOO

[keen pewter]

wtf do we even do at 100k

huge milestone but how do we celebrate

[knotty crow]

shitpost sunday for a week

actually no

[eager swan]

Let's buy our own booze and drink it at the same time

[sacred bone]

nightlife 12 hour loop challenge

[knotty crow]

at 100k it's fuck time

or i guess the censored version to keep it appropriate for the 12 year olds that browse the subreddit

so "WOO" time

[sacred bone]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[worn gull]

Yes please

[eager swan]

OEB sounds similar to songs by Deep purple and Pink.
All these bands are named after a colour.

I think I'm seeing a pattern here

[deft violet]

It also reminds me of a song by Blue Waffle, check it out

[ornate zenith]

Staff pizza party

[jolly zealot]

Easy I love that songs

[jolly zealot]

lol

[slow crest]

I just noticed how similar look ma no brains sounds to let yourself go lol

Let yourself go mixed with Maria

[keen pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-25704263

[knotty crow]

don't forget the two tiddlywinks of off brand cola

and the one kid that inevitably brings in sugar cookies for some reason

[indigo spruce]

Does anyone have a screenshot of billie's one eyed bastard grafitto that he posted on his ig story?

[rancid arch]

Praying that there will be a high quality leak because I won’t be able to listen to the album for days after releaser otherwise 😭😭😭

[deft violet]

Man, I couldn't wait 1h, I'm combing this place and the subreddit all day

[subtle ravine]

LMAO SAME

[ornate zenith]

If you find leaks here or on the subreddit you gotta report them, we don’t allow it

[deft violet]

I know dude you keep reminding me

[ornate zenith]

The reminders will continue, we take it pretty seriously

[jolly zealot]

new Descriptions and lyrics

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/green-day-saviors-review-1234942020/

[deft violet]

Yeah makes sense. Discussing them is free for all thought ?

[ornate zenith]

You can discuss them as long as you don't share them, say how to get them, or ask for people to share them or where to get them

If the album leaks or anything also pleae spoiler tag stuff about unreleased songs

[deft violet]

👍

[ornate zenith]

Oh yeah

Leaks or album parties

I'm being unofficial right now but I'm sure we'll have some official policy or announcement about how people should handle that stuff as the parties approach

[deft violet]

Even if it's not the parties themselves, the album is bound to leak anyday now. You also moderate the subreddit ?

[ornate zenith]

Yes

Among others

I mean among others also moderating it

While making dinner

[pulsar egret]

how many people mod for the subreddit

[ornate zenith]

Four

They're in the sidebar

[worn gull]

I'd say definitely >1

[ornate zenith]

Hey good job

4 > 1

[tired shale]

"But what’s impressive about Saviors is how they’ve gotten (mostly) better with age."

🤞

[knotty crow]

from what we've heard of saviors so far it's definitely a(nother) return to form

you could argue revrad was sort of a return to form but there's a bit of difference between revrad and the older green day sound

yeah true enough

i was just honestly quickly scrolling through the album in my head while typing that

like "eh it's not really all that similar"

but yeah i see it

[deft violet]

Damn I can't see it tbh

I have a hard time getting into RevRad.

[worn gull]

It's Cigarettes and Valentines all over again

[deft violet]

[subtle ravine]

Most likely

They probably recorded a lot of stuff that won't be on the album

[deft violet]

Isn't it the case for all albums ? Billie Joe always has a bunch of songs in his backlog.

[keen pewter]

yeah i'd imagine every album has songs cut from it

21CB had Lights Out, Hearts Collide and probably more

[subtle ravine]

There was one called "Wonderful" that was cut from 21stcb too

[deft violet]

Those two are from Cigarettes and Valentines

[keen pewter]

yeah but they were rerecorded and produced to be on 21CB too so i'm counting it lol

[deft violet]

I thought that the recording were from 200z

2002

[keen pewter]

hm, didn't know that

[subtle ravine]

Idk about Lights Out but Hearts Collide wasn't re recorded

I can tell because Billie's voice doesn't sound like it does on 21stCB

[sacred bone]

Whats the meaning behind the album cover

[deft violet]

It looks cool and feel rebelious

[rose halo]

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OLHA QUEM JÁ TÁ DANDO AS CARAS POR AÍ!

As versões físicas do novo álbum do Green Day já estão sendo entregues para algumas lojas em preparação para o lançamento oficial no dia 19 de janeiro.

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[deft violet]

I CAN SMELL THE LEAKS COMING

[subtle ravine]

Oh boy

It's starting huh

[deft violet]

If some store in brazil has them someone is leaking that fucker in the next 24 hours

And I will not post anything here I swear

Don't hurt me johnny boy

[subtle ravine]

Yeah we won't be posting anything guys

[ornate zenith]

Just remember to also not ask for it or to tell people how to get it

[subtle ravine]

Right

[obsidian harbor]

I think I can hold off 9 days

[deft violet]

I admire you guys

[worn gull]

lol facts

[ornate zenith]

Ruh roh

Mod team gonna have to sleep in shifts

[keen pewter]

John has to moderate for 23 hours straight taking only an hour nap a day

during that hour is when the saviors leak gets spread

[ornate zenith]

Hey man this ain’t my server I’m just the janitor

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-mordor-the-eye-gif-5619682

Subreddit and server mod teams until the 19th

[deft violet]

[ornate zenith]

I can’t wait for my black ice vinyl even though I gave away my record player last year

[subtle ravine]

It basically says that stores already have physical versions of the album

It says Brazil specifically but if the album is in stores there then it definitely is in stores in the US lol

[rancid arch]

Do we know if this will be a midnight release?

[subtle ravine]

Guys I come from the future and I'm sorry to say that the band have trolled us. All these singles were not what it seemed because the whole album ended up being Here Comes the Shock for 45 minutes

[knotty crow]

yeah with albums usually it's midnight release i think

[subtle ravine]

Yup, it was like that with FOAM and I'm pretty sure it was like that for RevRad too

[deft violet]

Difficult question, I'd say yes. Now they are at the point in their career where they just want to have fun and play what they like. Buuuut they also might want to create one last legacy album down the line.

Everything is possible

I think that if he wants to and put in the work, he can outdo American Idiot.

But he wouldn't want to put himself through so much stress I guess

[plush warren]

Honestly this album is looking like it’s gonna be amazing so who knows, maybe their best song exists on this album

[knotty crow]

looking at some other artists it’s possible to put out your best work near the end of your career

using rush as an example, a lot of their best work comes from clockwork angels which came out in 2012

and that was after having made music since 1974

[ornate zenith]

You can’t ever tell for sure where the peak was until it’s totally over

Pretty amusing how many times they’ve put out a “by the way we’re still good as hell” album

AI Revrad and hopefully Saviors

Yep

People thought they were practically done after Warning, people thought they were practically done after Trilogy, people thought/still think they’re practically done after FOAM

Yeah in retrospect they were in better shape post-Warning when it comes to quality of work but a similar situation with commercial success

With the album and single releases I mean. Obviously they’re doing fine commercially when it comes to playing giant stadiums and headlining festivals

[keen pewter]

in my eyes there’s a 0.01% chance that they top Jesus of Suburbia

Forever Now is the closest they’ve gotten

it’s entirely possible that they do it but idk if it’ll happen on Saviors

but if it doesn’t happen on Saviors then I don’t think it’ll ever happen

oh I know

but I’m saying that I can’t see them doing it ever if they don’t do it on this album

this band is always surprising me so it’s possible

but to me Saviors feels like the last time we’re gonna get an album of this level of importance

I dont even know how to explain it. I know they’re still going to make music, but they’re getting to that age where usually artists don’t make any music that’s anything of substance

I’m probably wrong

but this album feels like the last special Green Day album we’re gonna get

[knotty crow]

i kinda feel the same way josh does

idk

[keen pewter]

I can totally see them release new albums, probably in the same vein of Father of All where it’s just some songs that mean fuck all and are groovy

[knotty crow]

just something about this album makes it seem like this is kind of it for a green day album of actual relevance

[keen pewter]

I agree

[knotty crow]

i guess there’s really no way of knowing how the band feels

because on the other hand billie seems like the kind of guy that would want to keep writing music of importance

while also maybe having a couple goofy songs on the album

[keen pewter]

the way I’m seeing it, they’re slowly starting to transition into what a rock band is when they’re on their last leg

last leg might not be the right term

but the end game

they’re doing the special deluxe albums with unreleased content, theyre playing almost exclusively stadiums with a greatest hits setlist

[ornate zenith]

After foam it definitely at least feels like a crossroads

Either put out a critical and commercial hit and continue being active respected legends

Or put out something okay or not good and fade away

Then do a vegas residency eventually

[knotty crow]

i feel like the random singles thing is more indicative of the state of music in general now

[keen pewter]

definitely feels like Saviors is the tell-all for their future

[ornate zenith]

Music is less about albums and more about songs now

[knotty crow]

as an avid hockey fan the NHL promotion was so cringe

ugh

i forgot about that

[keen pewter]

which is cool, as long as they’re alive and semi active that’s okay with me

but something about this era just feels special and different

like some sort of finale

it’s bittersweet for me

[knotty crow]

i don’t think saviors will be the last green day album or anything

[ornate zenith]

It is certainly a climax of their career

[keen pewter]

I don’t think it’s their last album but I think it’s the last special album we’re gonna get

[knotty crow]

but it does feel like the “end of an era” of sorts

[keen pewter]

like how Revolution Rasio was a special album

[ornate zenith]

RevRad coming out after what the trilogy era turned out to be was definitely also a career climax

Kinda repeating myself

With what I said earlier

Crucial moment

Yep that too

It was very timely

Late 2016

[keen pewter]

and TADIKM kinda does the same thing

[ornate zenith]

And then they had very successful singles off it, as far as rock singles usually go these days at least

[keen pewter]

with the current social climate where nobody can afford to live

[ornate zenith]

And then yeah TADIKM is tapping into that and still topping rock charts

[keen pewter]

topping the rock charts is really all we can ask for

[ornate zenith]

8 weeks #1 on mainstream rock

Yep

[knotty crow]

hearing the opening riff of TADIKM gave me the feeling of “holy shit we’re so back”

[keen pewter]

same

[ornate zenith]

Dilemma hasn't charted

[keen pewter]

and the lyrical content hit home too

[keen pewter]

I get why they didn’t do it, but I would’ve loved if Dilemma was the lead single

[ornate zenith]

Busting out TADIKM at when we were young was totally a "we're so fuckin back" moment

Dilemma is charting in New Zealand lol

[keen pewter]

LMNB getting a Taco Bell ad was a shocker to me

[knotty crow]

it’s sad in a way that saviors likely won’t be as popular in the mainstream as it could be

[keen pewter]

it’ll chart the Billboard Top 200 most likely but who knows

blink-182 was able to chart #1 but that was a combination of releasing the album during a week where there was nothing else big dropping and also Tom’s first album back

[ornate zenith]

Revrad topped the 200, even foam came close

I think it'll be there at least a week

If not more

[knotty crow]

saviors certainly won’t be everywhere like american idiot was

not that i can speak to that because i wasn’t alive then

[knotty crow]

part of me wishes it will be but also the other part of me doesn’t want that to happen

it’s weird

[ornate zenith]

If Dilemma were released in like 2008 or even 2013 instead I think it would be cracking the hot 100

Well

[keen pewter]

American Idiot was fucking massive when it released. they will never reach that high again

[ornate zenith]

If Dilemma dropped in 2008 it'd be toward the top of the hot 100 with the way things were then

But yeah

[knotty crow]

yeah exactly

[ornate zenith]

Lightning in a bottle

[knotty crow]

even with rock albums that have been doing well recently like blink’s new album it’s not exactly “mainstream”

the metric i use is if my mom has heard of it

she had no idea a new blink album came out

and she listens to a lot of music

[ornate zenith]

My mom told me she heard green day in a taco bell commercial so

She listens to them though

Doesnt really count

[knotty crow]

the only way my mom knows that a new green day album is coming out at all is because i told her about it

saviors has received basically no promotion where i am

i remember when foam came out i would hear the title track and oh yeah on the radio pretty frequently

i haven’t heard any of the saviors songs on the radio

that’s just one thing ofc but still

[ornate zenith]

I have no idea how to tell if Green Day is getting promo for what because obviously google is gonna give me ads for it, and then I don't listen to radio or watch tv

It was all over rock radio

Still Breathing almost made it onto the hot 100

It was on the bubbling under chart

[keen pewter]

I’ve heard I Think We’re Alone Now and Dreaming multiple times on the radio

[ornate zenith]

That song was huge as far as rock songs go

[keen pewter]

also weirdly whenever I go into a Dick’s Sporting Goods they always play those two

yeah it has a surprising amount of attention

I wanna say Bang Bang was decently popular

[ornate zenith]

Normalize playing Dilemma at sporting events full of drunk people

Bang also did very well

And also Bang Bang

[knotty crow]

i’m looking at playlists for local radio stations and it looks like one rock station played TADIKM 4 times today

[ornate zenith]

I think both of the first two singles from RevRad got close to the hot 100, Still Breathing did the best though

[knotty crow]

i just haven’t heard it i guess

[subtle ravine]

Damn this is an interesting conversation lol

[ornate zenith]

Bobby Sox gonna top the hot 100 in 2024 watch

Bisexual anthem

[keen pewter]

I remember a little bit after Bang Bang came out, I was in the school bathroom taking a shit and this dude comes in and sits in another stall to shit. out of nowhere he says to me “bro we need some fuckin tunes in here” and starts playing Bang Bang on his phone

[subtle ravine]

I have high hopes for Bobby Sox lol

[keen pewter]

so that tells me all I need to know about its popularity

[ornate zenith]

This is copypasta material

Holy fuck

[keen pewter]

I swear it’s a real story 😭

[knotty crow]

yeah it seems like all of the local rock stations play TADIKM 3 or 4 times a day

nothing else from saviors though

[keen pewter]

makes sense

[subtle ravine]

That reminds me of this one time I saw a trailer for a game I don't even remember, the only thing that stuck out to me was that the song on the trailer was Fire, Ready, Aim lol

[knotty crow]

i thought dilemma would receive some radio play but it doesn’t look like it

[keen pewter]

TADIKM is the lead single they’re gonna play that the most

[subtle ravine]

I love TADIKM but man I wish Dilemma got that much love

Dilemma would've been fucking sick as a lead single

[keen pewter]

this album is gonna kill me

I’m bout to be sitting at the listening party sobbing

[subtle ravine]

I'm expecting that to happen to me LMAO

[ornate zenith]

I remember a little bit after it came out, I was in the school bathroom taking a shit and this dude comes in and sits in another stall to shit. out of nowhere he says to me “bro we need some fuckin tunes in here” and starts playing Shotta Flow by NLE Choppa on his phone

[subtle ravine]

I cried when TADIKM came out LOL

[keen pewter]

I got emotional listening to it but I SOBBED when dilemma dropped

I’d be so down for that

[ornate zenith]

I was tearing up at my desk at work

[subtle ravine]

That reminds me of this one time Billie posted a cover of I Get Around by the Beach Boys on insta and then never released that

[keen pewter]

whenever they release C&V in some capacity is when I know they’re over as a band

[subtle ravine]

Yeah

That was really weird lol

[ornate zenith]

This perfectly encapsulates how I feel about that song at this point

Part of me wants to finally hear a studio version

Most of me knows that'll happen when they're out of gas

[keen pewter]

I agree

it feels like the perfect goodbye gift

[ornate zenith]

No I do not

[subtle ravine]

C&V could be the perfect way for them to leave

[ornate zenith]

Why would we get it this year

[keen pewter]

we’ll get it at the 25th or 30th

[ornate zenith]

Ah yeah fair

[keen pewter]

from a marketing perspective, doing it at the same time as Saviors and their big tour is commercial suicide

[ornate zenith]

Seems pretty reasonable to me that C&V would be released as a goodbye kind of thing though since it's the whole "we did American Idiot instead of this" song

[keen pewter]

C&V as an album releasing would be the perfect “goodbye” gift

[ornate zenith]

They would be tanking their own new music

[keen pewter]

like “we’re not releasing anymore albums but here’s the holy grail thanks for being here”

[ornate zenith]

I hope they release C&V when they're all 70 or some shit and after all this time, it turns out C&V was hot garbage

Perfect goodbye gift

[keen pewter]

😭😭😭