#2024 US Elections

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timber lava
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you should rickroll him

drifting marten
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We have a mutual connection

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Which is kinda funny

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So i am one degree of separation from the VP

dense rover
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Narya? The fuck?

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Nerd

jolly kestrel
timber lava
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"Ga/Za"

drifting marten
dense rover
# timber lava "Ga/Za"

Probably to avoid suppression by algorithms on places like twitter TikTok and instagram

jolly kestrel
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Yup it’s intentional

tranquil zephyr
drifting marten
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Holy shit they had neocon BILL KRISTOL telling her to shift to left wing populism

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drifting marten
drifting marten
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The elusive AOC/Trump voter

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dense rover
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People are fucking stupid

timber lava
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"I feel like Trump and you are both real"

woeful pagoda
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Reddit seems convinced that the election was rigged

timber lava
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why yes, yes they are

woeful pagoda
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There looks like there could be some evidence of the GOP messing with the results but at the same time I remain skeptical

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And by messing with results I am including things like their bomb threats and destroying early mail-in ballots by burning mail boxes

drifting marten
dense rover
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Yeah, gotta adjust to the fact that people are fucking stupid

drifting marten
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The median voter is a very dumb individual

drifting marten
dense rover
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Can’t control the House if there is no House

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Just sayin

timber lava
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it's very unlikely but still a possibility if they get at least 15 of the remaining 17 seats

drifting marten
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They look at all the remaining votes

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And see where they’re coming from

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And determined that majority of remaining votes are from Republican areas

drifting marten
woeful pagoda
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with such a wild outcome, a recount and skepticism about republicans cheating is not some wild inconceivable conspiracy theory

azure sage
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the whole point of the branches is to keep each part in check

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if its all one party they arent gonna do that

dense rover
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Theoretically the supreme court would be the check on the legistlative and executive branches all being under one party's control, but of course that isn't the case anymore

azure sage
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yeah i guess we're gonna have to rely on them

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which is pretty scary

dense rover
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My point was that you can't rely on them

drifting marten
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There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud and it would be insanely difficult to do

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The outcome really isn’t even wild it’s pretty clear that people just either chose not to vote for either or wanted a change and thought Trump would be better

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We can’t be saying this same thing the republicans say when they lose elections

dense rover
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To be fair, the Republicans are usually projecting when they make accusations in order to normalize something before they get caught themselves. So I don't think that's a good disqualifier on its own

drifting marten
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Or even sizable election fraud at all

dense rover
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I'm not saying I think there was, I'm saying that "you sound like republicans in 2020" isn't a good disqualifier

drifting marten
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It’s just one thing I said out of the other points and yes these BlueAnon people are sounding like the average republican in 2020 from what I’m seeing on Twitter

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Like it’s worse than I thought

dense rover
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I don't think it flipped the election but unlike 2020 there's genuine evidence of interference and it's necessary to investigate the impact that had. It's probably a good idea to get off of twitter at this point anyway, even more than before since it will be becoming a state run disinformation hub pretty soon

drifting marten
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I mean it’s the best place to get news fast I follow a lot of independent journalists

dense rover
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I think come January, the responsible journalists will move somewhere else

drifting marten
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You can investigate specific cases but people are saying it was a coordinated effort to change votes from kamala to trump

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Like this one insane woman posted a 9 minute video saying that some election machines (which turns out to be an extremely small amount)were connected to starlink which meant that Elon could change the votes which is just a fundamental misunderstanding of how starlink works and how everything goes over encrypted packets

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And there is no evidence for this anyway

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Like the machines aren’t connected to the internet

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Only during one step of the process they are I think?

dense rover
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People are gonna be doing weird shit to cope right now, reasonable people will move on from the unreasonable stuff eventually

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jolly kestrel
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jolly kestrel
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you definitely should, musk is a piece of trash that shouldn’t get any more of our money or use us for his rage bait algorithm bullshit

drifting marten
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I only use it because it’s so good to get breaking news and stuff from independent journalists like I always hear of stuff before anyone else

dense rover
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There is zero chance of twitter being some sort of last bastion for free press come january

drifting marten
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It’s basically an aggregator for me

dense rover
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Makes way more sense to leave now than it did when Musk first bought it even

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It will definitely not reflect reality

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Your independent journalists will probably be heavily censored

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Hopefully they leave

jolly kestrel
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^

drifting marten
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Well I get updates from everyone I follow so until they’re banned or something I’m staying on just because it’s super efficient for me

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Not that this is an IJ

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But just an example of why it’s easy to use

dense rover
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Pressure the people you follow to go to Bluesky or something

drifting marten
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I’m not a Bluesky fan it’s just really boring

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Idk man I’m a twitter dead ender

dense rover
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Gonna be dead ending it once it basically becomes truth social

drifting marten
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Well most of the stuff I see now is still left-wing and also mainstream stuff and I block people that come up who I don’t want to see so I’m chill with it for now

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I’ll change if it becomes unusable for me but I think even Musk realizes there is a limit to the point where if he does too much people will actually start leaving

versed cipher
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yeah my feed isn't full of right wing nonsense yet, but i am being filled with blueanon posts and other election doom posts which just aren't healthy

dense rover
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Yeah and then his propaganda megaphone keeps getting clicks

drifting marten
dense rover
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Not even talking about what you personally see on twitter

jolly kestrel
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I mean sure you not seeing it yet bc you follow certain people and they want to maintain that they are “neutral”

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however his algorithm and what he is doing to the app is creating an echo chamber and also a breeding ground for hate speech

dense rover
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With the amount of nazi shit that gets spread around thanks to twitter still getting widespread support, I don't see a valid excuse to still use it now that we know Trump with Elon at his side will be running the show come January

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I think it takes some lack of object permanence to just ignore the fact that using twitter is harmful

drifting marten
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I like getting my news fast and efficiently and I feel more knowledgeable about everything happening in the world when I’m able to get all the latest updates so quickly
Also a lot of people are just funny on Twitter

dense rover
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Like oh my feed looks nice so I think it's okay

jolly kestrel
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It’s still not a good excuse bc it’s useable you’re still supporting the right wing and Musk directly by using it

dense rover
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Twitter has alternatives that need support to take off

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We could use a little media activism on that front

jolly kestrel
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Brazil has straight up banned X

dense rover
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Ethical journalists will stop using it by January 20th

drifting marten
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All these social media platforms suck like Facebook directly provided cover for the Myanmar genocide

versed cipher
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i tried using bluesky but it's just so boring right now. i can't put my finger on it but scrolling through this feed is just bleh

dense rover
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Yeah it needs more users

drifting marten
dense rover
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Because everyone wants to stick to twitter because they're too lazy to drop fascist media

versed cipher
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and for some reason it thinks I fucking love video games because it was one of the many interests I suggested

dense rover
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That's really all it is

drifting marten
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I’m not dropping twitter

dense rover
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Yeah I know

drifting marten
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All our media sucks

versed cipher
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and my entire feed is 90% boring video games posts and 10% election dooming

dense rover
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Whataboutism

drifting marten
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Half of our shit is owned by the Murdochs

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Like

dense rover
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God forbid we try and change something

drifting marten
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At least I can get independent journalists who are actually reporting on Palestine on Twitter

versed cipher
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i would love to see Bluesky take off

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will not be using it until it's not boring

dense rover
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Well it won't if people don't use it and stick to twitter because they're selfish

versed cipher
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it feels like i'm scrolling through Threads

drifting marten
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That’s honestly a great comparison

dense rover
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Do people expect websites and apps to just start functioning as if they've existed for over a decade

jolly kestrel
dense rover
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On day one

jolly kestrel
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dense rover
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Missed the point

drifting marten
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I’m not gonna use a social media platform that I think is boring like if other people want to use it then fine but

dense rover
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I'm talking about content too

drifting marten
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Until it becomes interesting then

dense rover
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I'll start doing something once other people have done the work for me

versed cipher
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for something like social media yeah

jolly kestrel
dense rover
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People could at least be honest about it

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Like just say you care about easy content more than you care about supporting fascist state run media

drifting marten
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So like all our media?

versed cipher
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i scroll through social media because i'm a dopamine deprived phone addict. Bluesky don't make brain go brrr so i don't use Bluesky

dense rover
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Here we go again

versed cipher
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instagram make brain go brrrr

drifting marten
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Read manufacturing consent

dense rover
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I'm talking about alternatives to that stuff

drifting marten
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I’d love to switch platforms none of the other ones are interesting enough right now though

jolly kestrel
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reduce your dependence on social media maybe if you feel like you cannot get rid of x? i just don’t see the logic in supporting musk and his censorship and control of the app.

dense rover
drifting marten
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This is social media man

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dense rover
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Okay, same logic

drifting marten
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I mostly just use it for news

dense rover
versed cipher
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i've already realized I need to cut back on social media but the amount of stress I put on myself this past week made me realize i need to actually try and cut it otu a bit lol

dense rover
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Cognitive dissonance I guess

drifting marten
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Yeah call me a fascist supporter for using Twitter

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I love fascism

dense rover
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That sucks

drifting marten
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I see so much news that isn’t covered in the mainstream on there and until a huge amount of journalists switch ill be using Twitter

dense rover
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Ethical journalists will switch

drifting marten
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They have much bigger reach on Twitter

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Who outside of liberal circles is going to sign up to blue sky

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jolly kestrel
versed cipher
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realistically, it's still going to be a huge social media platform unfortunately

jolly kestrel
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the shoe fits bud

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you’re literally supporting a fascist lmfao

versed cipher
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i'm thinking in the realm of: there's so much right wing slop on this website, it doesn't sound like a bad thing to try and post good content in the flood of that

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it'll reach somebody

drifting marten
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I have seen more news about Palestine, leftism, and other censored shit on Twitter from independent journalists posting than on any other platform and I’m not just going to abandon these stories

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Like from the people I follow it has been great

jolly kestrel
drifting marten
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And journalists get so much reach on Twitter (as of now)

jolly kestrel
drifting marten
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I think it’s good to try to counter the right-wing disinformation on these platforms

jolly kestrel
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He has BEEN censoring the app

dense rover
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It's not just a website infested by the right

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Losing battle

drifting marten
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I will continue to use it

jolly kestrel
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Well you’re supporting a fascist and Trump then (wait which one is which idk)

dense rover
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Can people take responsibility instead of trying to justify it pretty please. I'd really just stop having anything to say about it if people would do that

drifting marten
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I know musk sucks but all these CEOs suck and are terrible like Zuckerberg is also promoting disinformation and Trump shit and Bezos is well Bezos like they all fucking suck

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I don’t think I’m uniquely bad for using Twitter

jolly kestrel
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how about end it there

dense rover
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I'm not even talking about you or who is good or bad I'm only talking about people as a whole stubbornly continuing to use it

jolly kestrel
drifting marten
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Pretty much all the Palestinian journalists I follow exclusively post their messages on twitter

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Because it had the best reach

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*has

jolly kestrel
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I just wished people would maybe stand on the right side and realize that easy choices are usually easy for a reason it’s HARD to make change. Musk knows this and uses you for his benefit.

jolly kestrel
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You can fact check that yourself but it’s one of the lowest active apps rn

dense rover
# dense rover Can people take responsibility instead of trying to justify it pretty please. I'...

This is really my final point, it's pretty cut and dry that Trump and the fascist right in general directly benefit from people using twitter, it is a direct tool to spread their propaganda on a level that really isn't comparable to the new york times or something. We can argue over justifications day and night but if people just care about easy access more than all the rest we've been over, there's no argument to be had and the honesty would be appreciated

drifting marten
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I think it’s better that the left continues to use it and counters the right-wing and also I just don’t really tie morality to all of this like the majority of non political people I talk to just see Twitter as a funny app with funny tweets

jolly kestrel
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Just because YOU follow a few accounts doesn’t mean it’s a good strategy to use it

drifting marten
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I never denied that there is a lot of censorship (as pretty much all these platforms do, just look at what Facebook was doing during the Myanmar genocide) but it’s nice to have some sort of counter to that

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We disagree and we’re never going to come to an agreement so

dense rover
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You can't counter the platform by using it

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This is all mental gymnastics

drifting marten
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All the CEOs suck all these platforms suppress the left in one way or another. Twitter is uniquely bad with it but I’m not gonna act like my morality is tied to what social media platform I use

dense rover
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A lot of my mom's lab's funding is from NIH grants

regal comet
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Elon Musk banned Stephen King for calling him Trump's first lady

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and I am sorry, but that is hilarious to me

dense rover
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Musk is Trump's Goebbels and and Twitter is his Das Reich

drifting marten
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Yeah no

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For the latter

regal comet
dense rover
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People do have a right to make that choice

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For now

drifting marten
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Do you use Amazon

regal comet
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No

drifting marten
dense rover
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Whatabout

drifting marten
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It’s legitimate

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Why moral grandstand over twitter

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When other companies are participating in horrific actions as well

regal comet
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I thought you meant do I use Amazon the social media platform

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But I am on your side, Lucas

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I believe in moral cherrypicking for the greater good

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I do think that we need to do what is necessary to move things in the right direction, even if it isn't morally perfect

drifting marten
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If we’re talking about social media we can talk about Facebook and Zuckerberg’s subtle endorsement of Trump and his promotion of pro-genocide posts during the Rohingya genocide and also suppression of other left-wing stuff

regal comet
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Yeah, I also don't have facebook

drifting marten
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Like all these platforms and their CEOs fucking suck

dense rover
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I don't think people should use facebook

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Or instagram

drifting marten
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I don’t think that using one of these platforms says anything about their morality

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Same with how I am not going to say buying from Amazon is something bad

dense rover
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I wasn't ever talking about people's morality

regal comet
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Amazon isn't a social media platform

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Is it?

drifting marten
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You called me a fascist supporter for using Twitter which I think would say something about my morality

dense rover
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Did I

regal comet
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I never even mentioned you

drifting marten
drifting marten
dense rover
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I talked about supporting fascist propaganda machines I didn't call anyone a fascist unless I'm misremembering

drifting marten
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Maybe it was the other person

dense rover
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Probably

drifting marten
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But I felt bad

regal comet
drifting marten
regal comet
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People aren't being radicalized by next day delivery on blazin buffalo doritos

drifting marten
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Amazon is still profiting off the prison industrial complex

regal comet
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You are splitting some intense hairs there

drifting marten
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Their data servers are used in prisons and ICE facilities

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But if we are going back to social media do you think nobody should have any social media then because they all suck

dense rover
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X/Twitter is a media company that Elon Musk uses to radicalize conservative-leaning people and especially young dudes

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Twitter is definitely a step above like... discord I guess

regal comet
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Also, I have a major issue with Washington Post's endorsement of Kamala Harris being suppressed by Jeff Bezos and it is something I have considered making a personal move on to stop supporting everything he owns

drifting marten
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You guys are better people than me then when it comes to this

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Not sarcasm

regal comet
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And whether or not I feel that is egregious enough is my own comfort level

dense rover
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I don't think supporting one exceedingly bad platform should be shrugged off with "well they're all bad"

regal comet
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You were literally discussing how we should have transparency and fake financials should be illegal

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Why do you think he took twitter private

drifting marten
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I was like half asleep

regal comet
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alright

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well, enjoy your mental gymnastics

drifting marten
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I hate musk I think he is a horrible person I’m still going to use twitter

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The left needs to counter the right on Twitter so it doesn’t completely turn into something like Gab and we have been doing so

dense rover
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Well the odds are stacked against you in a way you can't overcome until Musk sells it

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Maybe before it got converted into an overt propaganda platform that would be a viable strategy but those days are long gone

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I think the left side of twitter is allowed to exist to keep people complacent

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With that exact mindset

jolly kestrel
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# woeful pagoda Reddit seems convinced that the election was rigged

There was definitely a lot of voter suppression going on. When I had requested my mail and ballot and didn't receive it not only once but TWICE, I knew there was going to be issues.

I made the decision early to go in to vote because after waiting weeks to not get my ballot I wasn't going to risk it. But it made me think about how others are probably going to wait too long for theirs or are not able to go in person (overseas) and it ended up being true for a lot of people.

Had a friend who was getting turned away when he went in too because his address somehow got changed to something random. He stood his ground until he let them change it but other people may not know this. Others may be too lazy to put in more effort to vote when there are issues

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then there is the purging of voter registrations right before election day

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Also I still never recieved either mail in ballot I requested. why is it the people who are registered as democrat having all of the issues but none of the republicans I know? it starts to become suspicious

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I dont want to become Trump and whine about it for 4 years but hopefully someone is looking into those issues and figuring things out

drifting marten
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There was voter suppression but it definitely wouldn’t be enough to flip the election

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The voter purges occurred in Virginia which was a solidly blue state anyway

cosmic arrow
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it didn't happen anywhere else?

dense rover
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The latest "purge" happened in Virginia yeah but that's not the only state that removed voter registration over the last year

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Virginia is the one that did it last minute

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drifting marten
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This is more of a problem with voter suppression in general which has always been a problem than a coordinated effort to rig the results IMO

cosmic arrow
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Yeah. and the whole requiring 2 witnesses to sign too for mail in ballots. for bf's I was able to sign it but no way we were going to ask any of our maga family members to sign so we had to make plans to meet up with a friend

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(it kept getting put off and I can see how that would lead to some people not making more of the effort to do it)

dense rover
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Voting should be the easiest thing

cosmic arrow
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and it should be required

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bf also couldn't ask anyone at work because most of the people there tend to be maga and he tries to stay away from politics when he's there. A lot of our friends have moved away or been very busy so we didn't want to bother them. I know people who dont have in person friends and just have online friends who would have trouble getting it signed

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and the alternative was standing in line for 2-3 hours in person lol

drifting marten
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I didn’t have to have a second signature

cosmic arrow
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I guess its not every state

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im in NC

drifting marten
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Arizona

jolly kestrel
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straight to my email

dense rover
drifting marten
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Holy shit @dense rover

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Matt gaetz for Attorney general

dense rover
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This is a fucking nightmare

drifting marten
acoustic delta
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these are the harris ads we needed

dense rover
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Same thing goes for a slim house margin

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Not that they have anything to do with appointments, just in general

drifting marten
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I don’t think she’ll be confirmed

dense rover
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I think there's a decent chance that Gabbard, Gaetz, and Hegseth don't get confirmed. The Hegseth pick is getting significant backlash already, from republican senators

drifting marten
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yeah

acoustic delta
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do these republicans know what doge is

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boomers

dense rover
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They've got Musk and Thiel whispering in their ears about crypto so

acoustic delta
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my mom who works in stocks but not on wall street asked me during covid how to invest in 'dog-ee coin'

drifting marten
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idk trump could threaten them or something and be like if you dont vote for my confirmations im not gonna support your reelection and im gonna attack you

dense rover
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Yeah, too chaotic to predict

drifting marten
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Republican Senator Tillis on Gaetz: “It’s gonna take a lot of work to get to 50” yes votes — Punchbowl reporter

dense rover
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And they'll have 53 seats

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While struggling to get 50 votes

versed cipher
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I’m starting to warm up to Bluesky

woeful pagoda
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Picking a known pedophile to be AG is a move

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One of the most decisions of all time

dense rover
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I am cautiously optimistic that Gaetz won’t get confirmed

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Wouldn’t be the first time though if republicans were opposed at first but ended up kissing the ring in the end

drifting marten
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I feel like trump will try some shenanigans

dense rover
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It's gonna be shenanigans all day every day for four years

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Everyone's gonna be missing boring old man biden

regal comet
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Many senators still have to get reelected in the mid terms

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And won’t be willing to be complete sycophants to Trump

dense rover
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I think 2026 is mostly republican senate seats up

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And a lot of not safe seats

regal comet
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Yeah but I’m not even talking about flipping the senate

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They still have to win reelection

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The expectations on Trump will be incredibly high

dense rover
regal comet
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If he can’t just turn back the dial on gas prices, his base will be pissed

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Yeah, I saw the map

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Could conceivably flip Maine and NC

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maybe Nebraska

dense rover
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Iowa

regal comet
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But I’m not even talking about senate control

dense rover
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I just mean that map is extra pressure

regal comet
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People will be pissed if he doesn’t deliver on anything and they don’t have democrats to blame

dense rover
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I don't have faith in them to blame the right people but hopefully

azure sage
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theyll find a way to blame it on immigrants or something

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the immigrants will probably be driving too much

tranquil zephyr
azure sage
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hes such a nice guy

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he threw a whole welcoming party for biden

acoustic delta
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so, there are 8 cars that would be 'american' under trumps policies

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4 hondas

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1 tesla

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1 toyota

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1 volkswagen

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1 jeep

drifting marten
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What

dense rover
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If Trump wants my subaru he'll have to kill me for it

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Won't be hard

acoustic delta
# drifting marten What

trump wants to tax cars that arent 'american' by defintion of them having 70% us sourced parts

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honda Odyssey, pilot, Ridgeline and passport
tesla model y
VW ID.4
jeep gladiator
toyota Camry

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the complete list of american cars under his rules

dense rover
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This would all be great if it were 1940

acoustic delta
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japan and germany invaded the US from the 70s onward

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with millions of safer, fuel efficient and more reliable cars

azure sage
acoustic delta
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threads, but he has already passed a similar policy

tranquil zephyr
acoustic delta
drifting marten
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Yeah no that’s not how democracy should work..

versed cipher
acoustic delta
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I was allowed to get them in school

dense rover
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Well killing the kids who won't get them isn't purging the voter base

drifting marten
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Wait I think I completely read the message wrong

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Ur saying they will die out

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I read it as saying that people who don’t get vaccines shouldn’t be allowed to vote

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I misread

regal comet
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Also, kids getting free vaccines in school is TOTALLY something project 2025 would be cool with, right?

jolly kestrel
drifting marten
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https://gazette.com/news/wex/bucks-county-commissioners-vote-to-count-illegal-ballots-in-pennsylvania-recount/article_191297f2-1d37-55fc-b608-327925441b30.html Holy shit did you see this @dense rover

Colorado Springs Gazette
Bucks County commissioners vote to count illegal ballots in Pennsyl...

Bucks County commissioners voted to count ballots lacking proper signatures, violating a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling earlier this year. The three-member board voted two to one to count these illegal

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We’re actually doing the steal

dense rover
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“I think we all know that precedent by a court doesn’t matter anymore in this country” goes hard as fuck

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Valid point though, I think. If the right wants to throw precedent out the window whenever it’s convenient for them, that applies to everyone now