when playing pve if i want to try a wall charge more than one time i either have to wait 2 more rounds or exit and re-enter the map.
the entire gun rack should respawn after each victory or failure and there should be an endless number of rounds
#PvE level should reset after each round
craggy linden
young vapor
the reason for it not resetting is to teach new players about how the game works
craggy linden
I feel more annoyed than enlightened by the fact that I have to exit the level just to retry a wall charge, torch or sabr strategy
Plus, there’s like 13 bots that don’t use barbs, mollies, or extinguishers who also aren’t affected by smokes most of the time and are affected too much by flashes
It doesn’t seem to me like it’s supposed to prepare you for unranked
There being 3 rounds and ending seems more like a coincidence or something forgotten than intentional to teach new players there are 3 rounds in a half
The truck respawns every round in lobby mode and that’s what new players are subjected to the most
young vapor
ok but new players do not understand the basic economy of the game
craggy linden
So why cause so much hassle in pve when you’re doing in in casual?
craggy linden
The truck respawns every round in lobby mode and that’s what new players are sub...
This
young vapor
ok great fix for this, remove lobby mode
problem solved
or rework lobby mode instead of it being a 2v2 copy paste
craggy linden
True however it’s still there and I’m still annoyed by the mechanics in pve
young vapor
only way I'd agree with you is if we got an actual fleshed out tutorial
craggy linden
I like to speed run pve maps and I know I’m not the only one, but needing to restart for utility to do so or the game kicking you after 3 rounds makes that frustrating
young vapor
pve isnt there for speedruns tho its there for new players
craggy linden
Then there should be more instruction and until they have that, it should reset so you can let it be the sandbox it is currently
In fact, dare I say that the reworked tutorial should be a pve map with words in it that takes you through killing bots without ai in buildings
Or, let there be a box you check before you start a pve match that says “reset truck every round?”
Perhaps a short list of modifiers under a drop down that is labeled “cheats” or “game modifiers” and included is the ability to do so
That way it is very clear to these new players that what they get when they alter these settings is not representative of what happens in a live game
fiery tree
all of this is just delaying development time for pve speedruns
young vapor
yea game modifiers would be great Im sure it would only take about 6 months of dev time
craggy linden
I literally don’t care about them
young vapor
it is a good idea tho
craggy linden
You just are saying that only having trucks set to reset after each round isn’t good for new players
Whatever it takes to let me reset the truck every round is what I want
It doesn’t take but 5 minutes to set it that way, they already do it with lobby mode and when maps change, it’s not hard and won’t cost them weeks
As long as lobby mode stands as it does, including it’s mechanics in pve is not unreasonable
fiery tree
i think that pve should be the new player mode until a tutorial comes out
that is my take
it is best for the game as a whole
craggy linden
I guess?
If the takeaway here is the modifiers list, some quick and easy settings in that menu to create would be
Add a timer
Reset truck every round
Kill all bots to win (this one could actually take time to implement though)
Give defender weapons in the truck
Player starting health to 100
All enemies have 150 health
Bots have disabled ai
Map is in nighttime mode
Shotguns only (for bots)
Pistols only (for bots)
Grenades only (for bots)
Snipers only (for bots)
Infinite health
fiery tree
i mean yea a private match thing like that would be cool but there are very much more pressing issues (and ozy is basically the only person working on this kind of stuff anyway so he should focus on more important things)
craggy linden
I’m not trying to suggest each of these features, I just want the truck to reset, but if one way to make it reset is a cheat menu before you load into a map, it makes sense to have more than one option and these look like they might be incredibly easy to implement
It’s not difficult to add a drop down to the map selection screen, I’ve literally seen them do it
It’s not going to be this huge time investment and cost the team the ability to fix other issues, and if it does end up being on of those the they won’t work on it, it’s that simple
fiery tree
ok
craggy linden
I guess?
If the takeaway here is the modifiers list, some quick and easy settin...
All of this just alters values that are already in the game. The defender bots probably have a text file of weapons they can use, so you can restrict them to specific guns like pistols only.
Infinite hp is already a cheat in offline mode
Bots start at 150 hp the first time they spawn in the shooting range, so defenders can obviously be over 100 hp, and it would be sensible to believe attackers can start at 100 too
Defender weapons already have placements in the truck when you drop them there
Timers exist already and the one in pve is like 9999 minutes
craggy linden
ok
Nice one
Anyways, unless you have something to say other than “it wastes their time” it isn’t relevant
fiery tree
ok thats why im not saying anything else
craggy linden
It’s a suggestion to the devs and they choose if they dedicate the time or not and it hasn’t been argued if it’s a good or bad idea
fiery tree
i made my argument tho