Few gunplay related things I think would be great changes for the game

[acoustic marsh]

Noticed some things that would help accelerate peoples skill level in weapon manipulation:

1. Have an option in training mode to enable infinite ammo for weapons this is a common feature now of most competitive FPS games it should be in this game because the recoil is fairly high for a TTK this low (not usual)

2. Change the training mode bot area to have more bots, and have said bots at common elevation differences that you might find on certain tilesets such as:

• stage ledge from killhouse
• pit area in dome
• a staircase going left right and down toward the player

3. Change the training mode bot area to give the player more scenarios they might find in the game to shoot from, from defense and offense

• have a thick glass wall that cannot be shot through, that has various shapes you might find yourself using as cover that silhouettes cover you find in the game
• have slight elevation changes the player can fire from down range on the bots, maybe a small ramp that connects to a ledge

4. Add a toggle for when you reload, if the game should automatically put you back into the type of aiming you choose to re-enter immediately after a reload based on a hotkey buffer. For instance: you tac reload, during the animation of the reload you hold sprint + ads and when you finish the reload within the first available frame you will animate entering point fire aim, it's possible this is already the case for people who don't use toggle aim, if this is true, make this the standard for toggle aim users as well, if you buffer an aiming position that was different from the one you started with before you reloaded, it should use the new buffered inputs aiming "style"

i feel like this isnt a very controversial suggestion so please dont lower the IQ points and flood this post

[exotic sorrel]

Good ideas, but there are more pressing issues

[acoustic marsh]

such as?

3/4 of the ideas are literally just dropping in assets because this entire game is prefab based but the reload thing i can understand being hard to impliment

[exotic sorrel]

but fixes more important

bug*

fixing the stinky maps

but I like the suggestions

[acoustic marsh]

i feel like a change to the core gun manipulation mechanics is much more pressing then random tileset buggy props but thats only my opinion

as for bug fixes i would say for a lot of bug fixes its better to get features out before patchwork phase because you could spend all your time bugfixing, add 1 new thing and it breaks more stuff

but like i said thats just my workflow for unity so maybe its harder for GEC to work that way

[exotic sorrel]

for me ion really think this "gun manipulation" is as "core" as you think it might be, its just a better training range which would be nice but ur better off in actual matches, I feel like you'd improve alot quicker just playing matches than trying to sweat ur aim or anything like that

[acoustic marsh]

did you read my entire section about reloading?

[exotic sorrel]

nah

[acoustic marsh]

you are commenting from an uninformed perspective

[exotic sorrel]

I thought it was just training stuff cuz that's how ur supposed to use the feedback channel yarrrggg

[acoustic marsh]

it was a post about using guns in this game

[exotic sorrel]

I also just don't get what ur on about

so you can reload while ads'ed?

[acoustic marsh]

no

[exotic sorrel]

or ads instantly after reload

[acoustic marsh]

ads animation should start after reloading if you hold the button while reloading

and if you are aiming normally, reload, and buffer a point fire it should point fire when your reload is over

[exotic sorrel]

point fire?

[acoustic marsh]

the fucking laser

[exotic sorrel]

idk, just seems like a lot of work for something that isn't useful imo

oh

brace*

[acoustic marsh]

sure man

[exotic sorrel]

when are you needing to ads right after reloading?

unless ur just in a bad position

[acoustic marsh]

when i kill someone and run out of ammo and need to kill more people

[exotic sorrel]

but like 2 frames aren't gonna change that

[acoustic marsh]

its not 2 frames, i just think ADS shouldnt be a frame perfect reaction that i have to do in order to maximize my advantage in a scramble

also literally 90% of tac shooters have this mechanic

[exotic sorrel]

it is two frames, you just press right click after the reload

[acoustic marsh]

...

imma be honest man i dont think you have a clue what youre talking about so im gonna drop the convo lol

[exotic sorrel]

its not a complex mechanic

what lol

anyway, just position better

[acoustic marsh]

you dont understand frame data, you dont understand input buffers and why they are important, you arent reading most of my post

get well soon

its a QOL feature not a skill feature

[exotic sorrel]

I know what you mean by an input buffer, and I know it isn't gonna make a difference if you just fall back round a corner

[acoustic marsh]

you are just stupid idk what else to say

[exotic sorrel]

yeh, I'm just sayin it's not gonna be worth the effort to add

[acoustic marsh]

right...

[exotic sorrel]

spending more than a minute tryin to let ppl ads a frame earlier seems silly but pop off king

[acoustic marsh]

except if you mess up your input trying to be fast, you dont ADS at all if you have toggle ADS on so you just lose the next engagement

because holding down ADS with toggle ADS on doesnt ads you even if you wouldnt be ADS after a reload

[exotic sorrel]

idk man, I've never had this be and issue and never seen anyone else complain about it

[acoustic marsh]

because most people probably dont use toggle ADS

[exotic sorrel]

Well, yeh

why are you using toggle 😭

[acoustic marsh]

because i want to maintain good hand health and reduce the risk of RSI, and because its more comfortable

[rain mountain]

tbf this is a really minor qol change that isn't a really big issue

[acoustic marsh]

its literally unbearable as a toggle ADS user

[rain mountain]

the rest is definately worth it though for newer players

[exotic sorrel]

I don't think it's gonna make a difference man

[exotic sorrel]

*the only

[acoustic marsh]

okay, if im the only one who will ever use toggle ads why did they add toggle keys as a feature?

why not just remove it?

[rain mountain]

i mean just cause he's the only one to use a feature doesn't mean he should be at a disadvantage

[exotic sorrel]

cuz youd whinge about it not being a feature

[acoustic marsh]

i dont wanna argue with 2 people who have no idea what they are talking about this is what i was worried about when i said i didnt wanna lower the IQ of the discussion

ill just wait for a dev

[rain mountain]

that's like saying colourblind people don't need a colourblind mode cause fuck them they're the minority

[acoustic marsh]

im colorblind lol

[rain mountain]

i am siding with you my boy tf

[rain mountain]

yes that was an analogy

[exotic sorrel]

bruv, I'm not saying he should be at a disadvantage, I'm sayin ion think it's worth the time to fix atm

[rain mountain]

me neither

[acoustic marsh]

you said tbf this is a really minor qol change that isn't a really big issue

[rain mountain]

but just say it isn't a pressing matter

[exotic sorrel]

and he's not wrong for sayin that

[rain mountain]

it isn't

there are much bigger issues to the core gunplay of this game

[acoustic marsh]

its just ignorant i dont know what else to say

you dont use the feature it doesnt affect you

its just a statement of ignorance

have a good day

[exotic sorrel]

brudda it's not a pressing matter, yes it's annoying, but he just needs to click right click again, it's not that deep

[rain mountain]

i do use toggle from time to time lmao

[exotic sorrel]

whyyy

[rain mountain]

you just click one extra time

[rain mountain]

it helps sometimes like with snipers

not all the time though i still prefer hold

[exotic sorrel]

I get that, but it's annoying with autos and semis

[rain mountain]

yea no i don't use it with that

almost never

mostly cause brace is a thing

[exotic sorrel]

brace just isn't good

[rain mountain]

cap

[exotic sorrel]

ion brace unless I'm in hip range pretty much

[exotic sorrel]

with the guns I use tbf

[rain mountain]

ye so the gruber

[exotic sorrel]

ingmar

blk

nack I brace with

shorty I brace with

gat sometimes

buts thats pretty much all I use lol

[acoustic marsh]

please take the conversation outside of the post

[exotic sorrel]

sorry my lord, shallom 🕋📈🗣🙀

[rain mountain]

well ads sucks on nack

you kinda have to

[exotic sorrel]

no it doesn't bruv

[acoustic marsh]

okay i asked politely now i will say take convo elsewere or kill yourself

[exotic sorrel]

pull down

[rain mountain]

mate what

[rain mountain]

oh noooo he asked politelyyy

[exotic sorrel]

😱

[iron arrow]

blud called photon low iq

[iron arrow]

then says this

joins community
gives good feedback thread
they disagree
"kill yourself"

[acoustic marsh]

hes a moron because he responded to my post without reading it fully

but defend your friend his honor will be saved by morning

and i said kill yourself because they had a nothingburger conversation in my post

not because they disagree

[iron arrow]

even still

that type of shit won't get you favorable likes among the people that play the game

[acoustic marsh]

im not trying to be favorable to you

[iron arrow]

pop off king

[acoustic marsh]

i would like to see what a dev has to think of the suggestion

[iron arrow]

(they aren't going to respond)

[acoustic marsh]

not a nobody who doesnt know shit about developing anything and doesnt have the attention span to read a post

[iron arrow]

bro I literally have maps in the game i've designed

chill with the hostility

[acoustic marsh]

prefab placing isnt developer work

its work

im not discrediting that

also im referring more to your friends not you

[iron arrow]

but you are being ridiculously rude to people who have been in the community for awhile

yeah I don't care

[acoustic marsh]

i was actually polite!

[iron arrow]

blud mean for no reason

[acoustic marsh]

but they dont care so then i will be rude

[acoustic marsh]

if you think this was directed at someone even tho its the first thing i said, its probably not rude its just simply true

guilty conscience

[iron arrow]

hmmmm

[acoustic marsh]

if "rudeness" prevented someone from seeing feedback that is basically objectively good, society would collapse, clearly there are people out there who see past pointless things

[acoustic marsh]

every day i deal with people who i can give advice to and they throw a fit because i cannot control the tone of my voice, and the ones who can take the advice with honesty always benefit the most from it, and those people respect me and i respect them

its just a fact of life

i dont care about status in a discord server for a niche game i dont care if the person has 0 games, its all valuable, people fail to set their ego aside and mistake me for not being able to set mine aside because they cannot gauge my intentions

[iron arrow]

bro all I said was don't be mean to photon damn

it's all mint innit

[acoustic marsh]

you should let photon know that when someone obviously has good intentions its important to not squander that moment by being ignorant, i dont want to respond to other peoples upset behavior because of a cascade of his actions

have a good night!

[humble root]

I have run toggle ads for 1200 hours and its fine

[acoustic marsh]

interesting you think that way! please elaborate on "fine"

[humble root]

its fine

cope

[acoustic marsh]

thank goodness you are also emotionally invested in the conversation before you enter it, it makes me very excited to keep discussing this, so even though you are fine with the current system, do you see the benefit of why adding it is objectively good?

[humble root]

I dont care about what you are saying

[acoustic marsh]

okay have a good one then

[humble root]

🖕

[acoustic marsh]

this analogy would work if photon entered his initial statement as a question, but you got your own for the rest of your friends so i think its time you send another one for the boss rush

too bad he didnt do that! he simply made a statement that my post wasnt as important as something else without an elaboration! otherwise this would have been a badass comment from you

@hardy harness you are in offline mode too spectating the conversation so maybe you have some constructive feedback about my post?

[hardy harness]

not done reading yet

[acoustic marsh]

i appreciate the effort drazi

[hardy harness]

whats all this then

[acoustic marsh]

oh that was referring to them talking about their preferences for guns in my post and before that i said please stop talking about that in this channel, but they chose to ignore me so i became rude and it attracted their attention and made them stop

[hardy harness]

tactical "kill yourself" drop

[acoustic marsh]

yea!

[hardy harness]

i read the thread and i do not care

hope this helps

[acoustic marsh]

which part do you care about the least?

must have gone to bed in online mode...

[hardy harness]

no i just dont care 👍

[acoustic marsh]

ah but you responded to that! so now your own was also ruined by impatience

thats alright though

[hardy harness]

im not trying to own you i just do not care to talk about the content of this thread, you are not owed interaction from ppl with you despite how ur acting

[acoustic marsh]

i dont think im owed anything if thats what you gather from how i speak, i just think it didnt make much sense that you cared enough to react with emojis, read the entire post and respond to my comment making fun of you because making fun of you hurt your ego a tiny bit meant you didnt care is all

[acoustic marsh]

see here where i say "i would like" not "they should"

[exotic sorrel]

I stand by it, the suggestion isn't bad, it's a minor inconvenience to those with a specific setting turned on so it would be better if it was fixed, but my point is that there are far more pressing issues, the fact you need to press right click again after a reload will not make a difference in any situation unless you're just reloading infront of an enemy. there are many good suggestions everywhere, but this just isn't worth the time to fix

but I'm too low iq to understand so I'd love if I could be enlightened as to why this is far more important than anything else that could be added to the game