terraria-pc

[analog nymph]

alright

[odd saffron]

Oh you did not see my previous message then

[polar orchid]

Hi, I'm new to Terraria on PC and was wondering if anyone could help me do a playthrough

[fleet flame]

i can

[polar orchid]

Ok

[fleet flame]

what is your steam

friend code thing

[prisma folio]

guys my calamity isnt working

how can i fix it?

[fleet flame]

throw pc out

[prisma folio]

ok thanks]

[fleet flame]

throw pc into lake

[steady elm]

italiani?

[odd saffron]

Nope I'm french :)

[brittle shadow]

ewwwww

we cant be friends anymore

you stink

[pseudo notch]

Can i have one of that croissant 🥐

bonjour

[warm spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smell-bad-banish-banished-gif-25623088

[tropic skiff]

ik some modded players talk here so

[brittle shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-space-run-pepe-gone-pepe-bye-bye-gif-20984604

[brittle shadow]

:0 stick fight

[tropic skiff]

ye

[worn radish]

https://tenor.com/view/slugcat-rain-world-gif-7210845820092446870

[tropic skiff]

i havent gotten through a lot of rain world

i only got it cus it was on sale and i wanted it in the future

[coral halo]

when the world is rain

[odd saffron]

lol someone tried to @ everyone

[lost grotto]

anyone else having trouble loading calamity?

[lost grotto]

mb

[odd saffron]

Wait was it you ? Really ?

[lost grotto]

why?

[odd saffron]

It's pretty stupid to try tagging all the members of such a big discord

[lost grotto]

yeah mb

but is anyone else having problems w/ loading calamity?

[coral halo]

pretty much everyone that wasn't on tmod when the stable update launched

you just need to wait for the mod to be updated to that new stable branch of tmod

probably will take a few hours

[lost grotto]

oh alr thanks bro

[pale thistle]

anyone to play?

dm me

[timid crane]

Took mine 5min lol

[edgy marten]

anyone elses calamity mod not working?

[worn radish]

#terraria-modded

[bright pagoda]

guys does this villager lay out work?

why can't i send the image

[zenith stratus]

need terrarian role to send images, you can use Imgur to post the link in here

[bright pagoda]

oh

how do i do that

[zenith stratus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778002597252563016/1129243748933582888/imgurtut.gif

[bright pagoda]

https://imgur.com/a/lwoaesx

does it work?

https://imgur.com/cpXkFRp

[mild vessel]

crimson or corruption?

[desert jackal]

i forgor how to make metal wurm 😦

[bright pagoda]

corruption

[bright pagoda]

so is my place good

[cedar vine]

YO

who wanna play

[river junco]

Guys does the transmutation glitch still works?

[worn radish]

should be

[river junco]

Im already in meele

[hot knoll]

congrats

[civic pollen]

no I play tmod anyway

[drifting wadi]

anyone can share with me a modpack to summoner?

[wintry hare]

lol

[fast sail]

Admittedly I’m just waiting for 1.4.5 for all the summoner stuff

[drifting wadi]

the new version have more things for summoner?

[fast sail]

Yeah. Next update adds like 4 whips into normal progression and some new summons

[drifting wadi]

when this is coming?

[fast sail]

Well, 3 whips. Ones a moonlord whip. And sometime this year? Maybe longer with the stuff happening with is it unreal engine? Whichever game engine

[fast sail]

You can look up a leaks video to see what is coming, but we are probably months out still

[full yacht]

im trying to get the fish finder and holy lord is it hard to get from the fisherman

[fast sail]

If you get duplicate of anything you can shimmer them to rotate through what your missing

[full yacht]

yep

still driving me insane lol

[fast sail]

I’m one of the weirdos that likes fishing so I rarely have issues getting it. I’ve finished the fisherman’s helper monkey achievement too many times.

[worn radish]

good for you

[fast sail]

A lot of people wait for sun/moondile to skip days and/or bed or world jumping to do quests in others worlds.

[fast sail]

Ikr thanks

[full yacht]

makes sense.

im prob gonna do that

tbh

[fast sail]

I mean, the subdile etc does have a cooldown, but you can use it to skip random events like eclipse while you’re trying to sleep day to day to rush quests.

[fast sail]

If you’re a builder it can also help to make a bunch of artificial underground fishing areas right next to eachother for biome fishing. Another pro tip is for every quest if you put the wuest fish in a chest or piggy bank you can fish up multiple quest fish and save them for speed running quests instead of having to travel every quest to a fishing hole.

[full yacht]

👍 thanks

[warm spindle]

Or just get the quest fish, put it in a personal storage (piggy bank/ void bag etc) letting you catch more. When the quest is about to reset change your characters name every time you hand one in (then angler will recognise you as a different player)

[fast sail]

Change name huh. Does it still track your total quests for fishing armor etc correctly if you do that?

[warm spindle]

Idk about that but it should

[fast sail]

If it does then that’s a giga brain move. I’ll try it maybe and let y’all know. If it works like that for 10-20-30-50 quests for armor and gold fishing pole, then that’s the speed run play for multiplayer worlds

Seeing as it’s an absolute pain to get fishing armor etc fast multiplayer if people are on because you can’t fast forward with a bed

[jade forge]

anyone wanna play? im bored

[ancient aspen]

anyone wanna play with me im new

[ancient aspen]

sure ım new

in the game

[agile sorrel]

anyone down to chill and play?

[ancient aspen]

me

[agile sorrel]

k

vc?

[ancient aspen]

i dont have a mic

sorry

[agile sorrel]

dam ok well we could still hop in a vc

im down to play still

[ancient aspen]

i cant vc but i can dm is that okay

[agile sorrel]

i guess that will work

[ancient aspen]

ok

[jade forge]

could i join

[raw canyon]

anyone wanna play terraira?

[warm spindle]

no

[raw canyon]

what about minecraft then

[fast sail]

#archive-ltp is a good place to look. Though you’re best bet is to actually dm people looking not make your own post

[raw canyon]

thanks

[left perch]

What would y'all say the best melee loadout for ml is

[worn radish]

maximum damage probably

[fast sail]

Please include difficulty, and special seed modifiers if that’s included.

[fast sail]

My general rule of thumb is Defense at lower difficulties as dmg isn’t an issue and defense makes a big difference. So for normal/expert.

For master/legendary one or 2 hits are bound to kill you, so youre usually better off stacking more dmg like KT said and learning patterns. There’s been a big argument between crit =/> dmg but my general rule is for high crit weapons stack to 50-60% and go dmg. For weapons that already have low base crit but high base dmg just stack more dmg.

[left perch]

Just expert

I'm still very unfamiliar with anything after golem tbh

[rain carbon]

isn't defence in master mode a 1:1 damage reduction though?

[fast sail]

So lower difficulty.

Weapon options are:
Solar Eruption, daybreak, terrablade(with stacked atk speed on accessories modifiers)

Armor options:
Beetle armor (upgrades from turtle armor)
Chlorophite armor is still a dmg option
Clever players will mix T3 old ones army armor with parts of other sets for dmg boosts.

[fast sail]

Even with the defense dmg reduction you’re not hitting important break points.

The way to think about it is
Can I survive 2 hard hits? Yes
Can I get enough defense to survive one more without healing? Yes(stack defense) no? Stack dmg.

[rain carbon]

i agree that damage is better, but i think tankiness isn't completely unviable

[civic swift]

beetle armor with shell and daybreak, some good wings

[fast sail]

When they’re asking about moon lord specifically, at lower difficulties you can very easily hit breakpoints to survive more hits, in some cases just stacking it enough to invalidate certain mobs.

In master mode, unless you’re going for beetle armor, most classes don’t have options to break past the 3 hit breakpoint so dmg just becomes better for the fight to make it quicker and thus avoiding dmg by time instead

[civic swift]

defense helps for moon lord, he has hard-hitting attacks but he also has attacks that just wear you down

[fast sail]

Basically after you break into master and legendary, defense matters only for some bosses. For example defense lets you break point for queen bee, so defense stacking is great. Moon lord on legendary, defense on anything besides melee might as well be an act in futility

Another way to think about it is kill time vs hits tankable.

With the amount of health legendary mode moonlord has along side things like moon boulders, defense doesn’t matter much.

I can stack 7 warding accessories to maybe survive 3 boulders instead of 2, but if I stack a mix of lucky and menacing for crit and dmg, the fight time might half, meaning I don’t have to dodge as much across the entire fight, lowering chances to wear out and make a mistake

The reason I recommend defense stacking at normal/expert is very rarely is kill time an issue, and if you stack as much defense as you can have at X point, you can stat check the bosses. Say sitting on Eater of Worlds and out dmging him/healing off parts. Same thing for queen bee, you can make her dmg a non factor.

Same isn’t possible in legendary, so defense becomes more situational for bosses. Some bosses like queen bee it’s still useful, other bosses like moon lord or empress it isn’t as much.

With enough prep you can still cheese it yes. But most people A: don’t want to cheese bosses and B: won’t put the time into old ones army for the stats to do it.

[civic swift]

defense is always superior to damage, even in legendary, until you reach early/mid hardmode, then it starts to become a tradeoff, but its still useful all the way to moon lord

[fast sail]

It’s like you can just make a sky play and drop boulders on the destroyer but why would you.

[fast sail]

Only for melee a lot of the time. If the equation we are using is hits total survivable/time, the offense wins out on more than half the bosses. If your a stats major then the “BiS” setups are usually a mix for every boss depending on breakpoints, but it’s not worth the time and effort to adjust your accessories every boss just to breakpoint

[civic swift]

are you referring to early hardmode and pre hardmode now?

[fast sail]

All of the above for legendary specifically.

[civic swift]

no matter what class the extra defense makes a massive difference

[stuck cedar]

Have they updated calamity yet?

[civic swift]

24 less damage every single time you get hit if you go full warding in pre hardmode

[fast sail]

The conversations was focused on bosses and what was “in a bubble” best in slot.

For a non biased breakout of best in slot for bosses it depends on total survival time, which interestingly enough offense wins out in most situations still

[civic swift]

youve done tests?

[fast sail]

There is a stats sheet online you can look up

[civic swift]

whats it called?

[fast sail]

🤷🏽‍♂️ just google it.

[civic swift]

any of these youre referring to?

[fast sail]

The general idea is they calculated it like this.

With regen/potions, how many hits can you take over the course of a fight with the same load out, only changing modifiers, divided by the fights time. If you can take double the hits, but the fight takes double the tome, it’s equal to taking half the hits, but the fight takes half the time.

[fast sail]

I’ll look it up later. I’m out at families atm.

Just dm me so I remember.

[civic swift]

and for some pre hardmode bosses damage was better than defense?

[stuck cedar]

Did they update calamity?

[fast sail]

Yep. For legendary modes, even defense stacking certain bosses just hit too hard for defense to matter. You’re not hitting breakpoint for one more hit a lot of the time. Skeletron being a good example as if you die in that fight, defense or not it’s the head that’s going to kill you, not the hands. And even with 24 extra def with most classes, you arnt living another hit with more defense.

[fresh herald]

Anyone now why all the sudden my terraria slowed down, as if it’s going 10 fps and then suddenly goes back to normal? Dm for a video I need help

[civic swift]

yeah, if youre getting hit by skeletrons head thats a problem, youre dying quickly whether you go full damage or not

[fast sail]

For me it’s usually an issue with V sync, refresh rate, or the monitor size vs game settings. Make sure you have the right size settings in game

[bronze crest]

If anyone needs any vanilla bosses defeated, feel free to tag me here or message me, I'll be more than happy to kill them for you!

[crystal flume]

anyone wanna play

[fast sail]

That’s the point though. Defense only matters if you’re getting hit. Dmg always matters. The unbiased statistics take skill out of the equation. They are assuming you’re getting hit every time you can get hit.

If we bring “skill issue” into the equation dmg is always better.

But that’s not helpful haha

[fast sail]

#archive-ltp help these boys out. They need you @crystal flume

[grim thicket]

anyone wanna do a play thouw with me

[civic swift]

but they should not be counting the easy to avoid hard-hitting attacks, that just skews the viability of defense to show its less than what it actually is

[bronze crest]

Read the comment above yours

[crystal flume]

wanna play?

[fast sail]

Usually if I’m deciding on wether I want armor or not for a boss fight, I’m calculating based on what I’m most likely to get hit by, and if I realistically going to survive an extra hit or 2. If I can’t, I prio a quicker fight over dodging more.

[grim thicket]

ye

[grim thicket]

dm me

[civic swift]

indeed, which makes defense outright better for all pre hardmode bosses and some early hardmode bosses

[fast sail]

For skeletron for example I almost never get hit by hands or skull projectiles, it’s almost always happening to dash and bounce off the wizards or hands into the head thats killing. So I do dmg to shorten the fight and reduce the chance for a mess up.

[fast sail]

Statistically not true 🤷🏽‍♂️

[civic swift]

and that worked for you?

[bronze crest]

Going to have to agree with this one

[civic swift]

it is though, unless you are only doing warding and not doing anything else to increase your survivability

[fast sail]

Yes because it’s more than halved the fight time. Legendary mode usually is 2-3 hits to death for most bosses. If I can make that 4-5 hits I’m stacking defense. If I can’t I’m probably stacking dmg.

[civic swift]

defense gets better the more you stack it, if youre not using buffs than full warding is not nearly as good as it is without buffs

[civic swift]

you halved the fight time with around 30% more damage?

[fast sail]

Legend mode kills you with lapses in focus. If you get caught by one hit, your usually take 2 or 3. Most of the time your better of just not taking as many hits

[civic swift]

would disagree there, in my time playing legendary I've found defense to be the consistent option for surviving the longest

[zenith stratus]

I was able to facetank lm moon lord through sheer defense

[civic swift]

name checks out

[fast sail]

Yes, because crit isn’t a linear increase, and because the part of the fight im most likely to get caught out is the beginning half with hand. By not having to dodge as long, it increases my dmg output over the course of the fight. And let’s me get to the latter half where I can just unload

[fast sail]

If you play legendary as a mage or summoner without using melee at all you’ll get what a lot of us dmg>defense people are on about.

[civic swift]

crit is linear though, the only non-linear part is the boost you get from mixing damage and crit

[civic swift]

even when doing mage or summoner the defense helps out a lot

[fast sail]

Which you should be mixing. Crit gains are not liniar. They drop off past 50-60%

[zenith stratus]

tanking isn't tied to any class, in fact summoner has an easier time tanking than melee in some cases

[fast sail]

Because you can dodge better. That isn’t tanking that’s dodging haha

[zenith stratus]

I'm talking about facetanking

no dodging

[civic swift]

they are linear though, the formula for average damage is just (normal damage * non-crit chance + 2 * normal damage * crit chance), with 30% crit you get 130% normal damage, with 70% crit you get 170% normal damage

[fast sail]

anything based on chance has diminishing returns the closer you get to 100%. Also due to the way crit is calculated in most games, 100% rarely is actually 100%. Terraria is one’s of the ones it is, but even then it still suffers from the same thing

[civic swift]

not really sure what diminishing returns youre talking about

[fast sail]

Google diminishing returns on chance the closer you get to 100%.

The reason the return in “diminishing” on crit is because the increase from say 25 to 50 is more significant than the increase of 50 to 75 and that’s more apparent the more times you roll that chance.

[bronze crest]

How it usually works;
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
55%
60%
65%
70%
71%
72%

For example

[civic swift]

yeah, thats multiplicative diminishing returns, every additive system is like that

you get the same average damage increase each time though

[fast sail]

The point being is crit point for point if you can get 4% into chance and 4% into flat dmg is better until crit hits X. X usually being somewhere around 60%. After that even though “numerically they give the same dmg increase” flat dmg actually gives more dps than the same amount of crit at that point due to how chance is calculated

If your at 80% crit for example. Based on how you’re doing your math 84% crit is as effective as 80% crit and 4% dmg, which isn’t true.

[civic swift]

yeah, having the same amount of damage and crit boosts is best, thats how the math works

[fast sail]

That one specifically you can watch a number of videos of dmg vs crit.

[civic swift]

I know how the math works

[bronze crest]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-popcorn-brain-hull-munching-on-popcorn-snack-time-gif-2316551586988254821

[fast sail]

Most of those videos also explain that the number where crit is better than dmg changes on every weapon. This is exactly because of how crits diminishing return works

[civic swift]

for optimal damage you would have your %damage increase equal your total crit%

[fast sail]

Mathematically incorrect. It changes depending on weapon haha

[civic swift]

its a linear increase, the only way its diminishing returns is that the value added is a lower percentage of the total value every time, which is how every linear function works

[civic swift]

nope

only changes on weapon when the weapon has a different base crit value

[fast sail]

Here is the thing. Conceptually 4% crit should be a 4% dmg increase. But if we calculate it based on 4% over 10 50 100 hits it’s entirely different

If you graph it it isn’t a strait line

Vs dmg is

[civic swift]

and it is, 4% crit is a 4% increase of what normal damage without crits would be

[fast sail]

😂 go look at a graph online for rolling chance over x rolls at differ percents.

It’s not a strait line. It curves

[civic swift]

what rolls are you talking about?

are you talking about the chance to score a crit?

[fast sail]

Yes lol

This has become the classic statistics argument of percent chance vs probability.

[civic swift]

4% means that you will get an average of 4 crits every 100 hits, 80% means you will get an average of 80 crits every 100 hits

[fast sail]

But once again crit rates effectiveness has more than just that. In a bubble it’s a flat increase at 100 hits. But reality is chance is never linear be it’s exactly that. A chance. I get shoot 500 times at 4% and get no crits. And I can fire 4 times and get 3 crits.

[civic swift]

youre just saying that since its random you cant depend on the average?

[fast sail]

The reason that dmg vs crit argument is always “a mix is better” is because there is a point where you’re hitting crits frequently enough that modifying the number that the crit is modifying becomes more effective.

[civic swift]

with the massive amount of attacks you make the actual average will be close to the theoretical average

[civic swift]

no, it comes from the damage formula, damage and crit multiply each other, and you get the maximum boost when they are as close to each other as possible

[fast sail]

Once again depending on the weapons base dmg. The reason it’s weapon dependent is because at some point modifying the dmg number becomes more effective due to the calculation also including what the crit dmg is modifying.

[civic swift]

the base damage only matters when its so low that rounding errors occur

[fast sail]

Also not true 😂 the way you’re trying to calculate it earlier means that dmg and crit% are basically increase dmg at the same rate. 4% crit and 4% dmg are an increase of 4%. If that’s true in a linear system then it doesn’t matter if you just do crit to 100 or just do dmg to 100. Why is mixing them more effective if it’s a linear increase? Think about it lol. It’s a logical fallacy.

[civic swift]

the formula I showed earlier removed %damage increases for the sake of clarity

the actual formula is ((base damage * (1 + %damage increase)) * chance of non-crit) + 2 * (base damage * (1 + %damage increase)) * chance of crit)

[clear isle]

what is the second best class ?

[fast sail]

Once again read the previous. Why is mixing them better if it’s a liniar increase. It shouldn’t matter if it’s actually linear.

[civic swift]

as I said earlier

[fast sail]

Which means it’s not a linear increase 😂😂

[civic swift]

crit is a linear increase

[zenith stratus]

melee

[civic swift]

mixing damage and crit gives you a slightly better than linear increase

[civic swift]

😡

[fast sail]

All up to personal preference. Though it’s generally agreed it goes melee, magic, ranged, summoner, but if you take zenith out of the equation it becomes a lot closer. Those stats don’t take into consideration things like whip buff mixing etc too which makes summoner compete for first.

Reality, for the general player base it should go melee, magic ranged, summoner. That’s taking into consideration things like skill issue and ease of use.

[fast sail]

That’s not linear then

[civic swift]

correct, which is why I said it was not

[zenith stratus]

ranger is just that good

[civic swift]

ok fair enough

that goes entirely outside the realm of whatever you were talking about with probability though

[fast sail]

The entire argument you were making is that crit and dmg are linear increases. If they are linear than the combo should also be linear. Hence logical fallacy. Also just the crit vs probability already proves that no matter what “in a bubble” says, it’s not truly linear. Also the argument that having an exactly equal number of crit chance vs dmg chance is incorrect

I could argue it all day, but if you go find the actual data sets it’s proves everything i said 🤷🏽‍♂️

And uses the equations directly from terraria’s coding

[civic swift]

I dont see any fallacy with that, on their own they are linear, when combined they complement each other

[fast sail]

Which doesn’t make sense when earlier you were arguing that a 4% increase in dmg and 4% increase in crit are the same 🤷🏽‍♂️

[civic swift]

still nto sure what you mean with the probablity, unless youre just arguing that the actual average never quite matches the theoretical average

[civic swift]

but they are, if you forsake the crit in place of the damage or vice versa, assuming you have no boosts in either yet

[fast sail]

Nope. I’m arguing the concept of Diminishing returns on chance based probability.

[civic swift]

which doesnt make any sense at all when talking about the crit rolls for terraria

its an x in 100 chance, which means you will have an average of x crits every 100 hits

[fast sail]

An increase from 0-4% in infinitely more impactful vs the increase from say 90-94%

A percent increase to chance at lower levels of chance is always more impactful than an increase in %chance at a higher base level of chance.

[civic swift]

in the same sense that going from 50 average damage to 75 average damage is more impactful than going from 200 average damage to 225 average damage, but thats just how straight lines work

[civic swift]

but the same increase to average damage each time, hence the linear function

[warm spindle]

linear function? is this still terraria y'all 😭

[civic swift]

lol

[fast sail]

The concept of chance works differently still. Just watch a statistics video going into the details of how chance works

[fast sail]

It’s the classic crit vs dmg argument.

[warm spindle]

ohh

which is better then?

[fast sail]

Depends.

[civic swift]

mixing

[warm spindle]

figured, always depends

[civic swift]

you get maximum damage when your total %damage boosts equals your total crit%

[fast sail]

Our argument for how they should be mixed to get maximum value is different though

[civic swift]

do the math then, using the formula I gave you earlier

[fast sail]

Incorrect. Statistically incorrect lol

[civic swift]

no, mathematically proven

[fast sail]

Do the math based on how the game calculates chance. If you’ve taken statistics and/or work in data science you’d understand 🤷🏽‍♂️

[civic swift]

I have, and I dont, but I understand the concepts just fine

[fast sail]

Instead of arguing over it. If you listen to him, just balance it. My rule of thumb is generally till around 60%~ total for the weapon, crit is better. After that dmg gives better increase for the same amount.

[daring steeple]

does any one want to do a world

[fast sail]

#archive-ltp is calling your name.

[civic swift]

your average damage equals (base damage * (1 + %damage bonuses)) * (1 + crit%), which as you can see has crit% multiplied by the %damage bonuses, and when will two numbers multiplied together give the maximum result?

[fast sail]

😂 I can argue the concept behind it all day, but you’re going to be better served looking up how percent chance works.

Having say 90% crit and 90% dmg increase doesn’t give the same increase to average dmg as say 75% crit and 105% dmg. The later is more effective.

[civic swift]

do the math with the formula I just gave

[fast sail]

If you actually calculated and tested in game, I can 100% tell you that the ratio I just gave you in more effective than a balanxed ratio.

Also for the same thing, crit% is more effective than dmg percent at lower percents. Up till around 60ish. Even if you go around watching all the videos in the world terraria specific talking about crit vs dmg, they will echo that crit is better to a point, and after said point dmg outclasses it, which also depends on the weapons base dmg numbers.

To that sentiment you can look up the same calculation for almost any game that calculates crit and dmg increase the same way terraria does and they will echo it as well.

Also in that equation you have to include the ratio that a crit actually amplified your dmg.

[twilit marlin]

You can help me when I try to create a resource pack it doesn't work because my resource pack file is empty while I have a lot of texture pack

[fast sail]

Because. “Crit dmg” is still part of that equation.

[civic swift]

and I would agree that crit is better than damage, but specifically for normal enemies and especially when weapons do less damage, just because the %damage increases are not likely to kill the enemies in fewer hits, but for bossfights it evens itself out since theres so much health

[fast sail]

Crit is only better than dmg to a point. Even on bosses, if you already have say 80% crit and 80% dmg, increasing dmg is better than increasing crit even after you have an unbalanced number like 80% crit and 150% dmg.

[civic swift]

try the calculation, the only thing that would skew it in favor of damage in practice is if the boss has a lot of defense, since crit affects the damage after defense is taken into account

[bronze crest]

I've been following this plot for an hour now, and I am not disappointed.

[civic swift]

lol

[zenith stratus]

I cooked and ate my dinner watching this debate

[fast sail]

😂 we might as well agree to disagree. In practice, what I’m saying will spit out better dps over x amounts of hits which is what’s important haha

[civic swift]

ok

[fast sail]

Can’t keep everyone entertained for too long. Other people ask questions in here. But if you’re actually curious, that math works for a single hit in a vacuum. Calculating probability based on hits makes things a bit less clear cut. It’s worth a bit of research. I’m sure there’s a terraria based statistic spreadsheet out there somewhere.

[civic swift]

there are several, and they confirm everything I've been saying
here is one
https://www.reddit.com/r/Terraria/comments/3gz0rl/damage_or_crit_a_discussion/?share_id=h3ansO3TajqqGLGormZnJ

[agile sorrel]

anyone down to chill and play

[floral moon]

me

but i need a dedicated server to join

@agile sorrel

anyone here?

[warm spindle]

I made a calc for dps a while ago and this is what I go for

Ranger: 4 menacing, 3 lucky to give me the highest average dps without incessant optimisation every time I get a new weapon/ armour/ accessory

Full lucky for melee due to the sharpening station + ichor flasks, a decrease in enemies defence benefits crit

Summoner: Full menacing for obvious reasons

Mage: Haven’t tested enough to say

[fast sail]

That specific post even says that it shouldn’t be balanced. The OPs ending statement is “20% more dmg percent more than crit%”

Not even lol

[civic swift]

thats when factoring in defense, which other than when I mentioned it was not discussed

[fast sail]

His golden ration is 86 dmg to 62% crit. Which is also the crit dmg break point I talked about lol

[warm spindle]

Depends on your weapon and the enemies defence

[fast sail]

If he calculated off say 9+ accessories slots the rations would end up being more like 40% more dmg than crit as you get higher becuase crit will become less effective compared to dmg the more you can get of it

[warm spindle]

Why not just test optimal/ near optimal setups for each stage against a boss for realistic results and see what’s best

[civic swift]

was your calculation based on ingame measurements against actual targets or the diminishing returns in crit chance you kept talking about?

[civic swift]

still wrong about that, but ok

[fast sail]

It was based on the entire calculation for effective dmg. Ask the op if you doubled the amount of accessories you could have what the golden ratio would be. If you calculated off that same line, the more accessories you couple possible get, the wider the gap between how much dmg you will want over crit chance.

[civic swift]

exactly, use the calculation I gave you earlier

[fast sail]

Because crit gets less and less effective compared to dmg.

[civic swift]

no, damage and crit complement each other, the only reason crit would get less effective is when factoring defense, are you factoring defense when discussing this?

[fast sail]

Even if you didn’t factor in defense, what I said would be true. Seeing as less defense benefits crit.

[civic swift]

what? without defense it is exactly as I explained earlier

[fast sail]

If you remember I said ~60 is the break point for crit. Which is where he ended up. Anything. More than that crit gets less and less effective compared to dmg.

[civic swift]

that is what they calculated based on defense

without defense there is no such thing as a break point

[warm spindle]

Where are you getting these numbers from? Just test real setups It always depends on your weapon/ target

There is no such thing as a breaking point for when crit becomes less effective

[fast sail]

Even without defense. If he kept up those calculations based on say, 200% total percents and that gap will get bigger and bigger between crit and dmg

[fast sail]

It’s a break point for when dmg% is more effective than crit%

[civic swift]

no? again, the only reason the gap is there is because of defense, read the whole thing

[warm spindle]

That is what I said

[fast sail]

I’m telling you that 60% is right where the separation starts to show.

[warm spindle]

Crit becomes less effective = damage becomes more effective, same thing (which isn’t true because it always depends)

[warm spindle]

Where are you getting these numbers from?

[civic swift]

based on calculations or in-game experiments?

[warm spindle]

Real tests or made up?

[coral halo]

real tests or I made it the fuck up

[civic swift]

there is no such thing as diminishing returns in the probability of rolling a crit

[fast sail]

Based on how crit vs dmg works

[coral halo]

and how does that work then

[warm spindle]

So you made it up…

Do real tests and you’ll see that it depends on your setup/ target

[fast sail]

Because of how probability works with crit, after you break a certain percent, you get diminishing returns around 60%+ where it’s more effective to boost dmg over crit chance.

[warm spindle]

That doesn’t make sense at all 💀

[fast sail]

😂 I’ve taken stats classes specifically targeted at probability based statistics. I work in data science lol

They way y’all think the math works isn’t how it works.

[civic swift]

ok, I need you to clarify what exactly you mean, because I just dont get it, 40% means you will get an average of 40 crits every 100 hits, 80% means you will get an average of 80 crits every 100 hits

I know how probability and averages work

[spring charm]

hi

how are yall

im currently playing random games while wearing a creeper onesie

and listening to music :3

[warm spindle]

So you’re saying that even with a weapon such as the flying dragon, you’d benefit more from menacing if crit is already at 60% or more

[spring charm]

get it urself brother

/hj

i dont hacv one

[warm spindle]

@fast sail Think I turned the ping off but I want to hear your thoughts on this

[fast sail]

Basically as you get closer and closer to 100% crit, dmg becomes more and more effective vs crit.

In that post, his golden ratio was 62 crit 86 dmg. Or around 20% more dmg > crit in endgame. If it was possible to break past those number with more accessories say with mods and you kept running those tests, the gap would get bigger and bigger. The stat total he’s working off of is around 148% worth of stats. If he was working off 200% or more of stats the rations would get bigger and bigger between the gaps. Say 40% more dmg% over crit. 74% crit 126 dmg.

[civic swift]

a ratio devised from calculating defense of enemies, not one from saying that probability of rolling a crit gives diminishing returns

without defense your damage is maximized by matching total %damage boosts with total crit%, thats all there is to it, its mathematically proven

[fast sail]

Diminishing stat to dmg returns vs dmg

[warm spindle]

How are you working in data science 💀

[fast sail]

Because I do my job well and obviously we’ll enough for them to pay me 😂😂

[steel berry]

tf does this mean

[fast sail]

And because if you run those numbers it’ll turn out the way I’m saying 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[warm spindle]

They’re just pulling numbers out of nowhere

[civic swift]

then run them, I gave you the formula for calculating average damage

[warm spindle]

If you have 60.261638% +crit, getting more damage will always be better 🤓🖐️

[steel berry]

all i can tell is that this is crit chance vs damage
but like
who uses crit>???

[civic swift]

Man.

crit is good

[steel berry]

damn
ive beaten the game once so pardon my idiocy

[spring charm]

i beat it on journey and classic

i dont rlly count the journey mode one tho

cuz i used god mode

[steel berry]

i just beat it on classic once

[warm spindle]

Especially when you’re a melee. you have ichor + the sharpening station, defence is reduced massively making crit more effective

[steel berry]

i would try playing another but terraria early game for me is extremely boring

[spring charm]

play a secret seed

or modded

[civic swift]

I do think youre wrong there, reduced defense doesnt make crit suddenly better, it just reduces the disadvatange it already had

[warm spindle]

Which means you should use it over menacing

Which makes it better

[civic swift]

no, theyre still equal

[warm spindle]

Crit is better for melee in most cases

[finite wedge]

Have the rarest pet in the game(Dirtiest Block) Taking offers

[civic swift]

a mix is better, the only way you would get crit being better is if you somehow gave the enemy negative defense, which shouldnt be possible anymore

[spring charm]

ill give you zenith

i have a couple extra

:3

[steel berry]

i tried calamity and got stuck at providence

[warm spindle]

If you test bannarangs for example against the mech bosses, taking into account the defence/ hp for each phase, crit is better. This applies to most melee weapons

[civic swift]

so youre basing this on actual tests and not calculations?

[warm spindle]

Bannarangs are a pretty fair test right? Don’t want to make it unfair by using the flying dragon for example

[spring charm]

try spooky its epic

[steel berry]

isnt that like
better

[spring charm]

literally just claled spooky mod

called

i think

[steel berry]

is it difficult

[spring charm]

idk

havent played it much

[warm spindle]

Both, my dps calculator works

[civic swift]

its different, its more applicable if you want useful information

[warm spindle]

With real gear taking into account everything I can think of other than luck

[civic swift]

I'll have to look at the calculator then, because that doesnt make any sense

[warm spindle]

I did twins + skele

Twins each eye, both phases

Skele + the spin (which increases the defence)

[finite wedge]

Have the rarest pet in the game(Dirtiest Block) Taking offers

[spring charm]

i said zenith

[warm spindle]

I’ll write everything up and send it tomorrow

[spring charm]

i said the gosh darn dang freakin darn zenith

[finite wedge]

that offer is not very spectacular

[spring charm]

its the fucjkin zenith

what would u want for it

[finite wedge]

u got anything modded, like thats not supposed to be in terraria?

[spring charm]

now why would i have something that isnt supposed to be in the game

i mostly build

[finite wedge]

a build would be nice

[spring charm]

my builds arent very good though

[finite wedge]

y call urself a builder?

[spring charm]

no

i just said i mostly build in terraria

i can get ya some ig

[fast sail]

The basic concept I’m trying to explain is change is calculated like this. If I say roll a dice, it’s 20% or 1/6. But in reality it’s (1/6)^1 (power of 1). Let’s say you roll the dice 60 times. The assumption is that you will roll 10 of every number. Or have a 16.6% chance. Interestingly enough if you calculate say your chance to get 10 of an individual number out of 60 rolls, the math is (1/6)^10 * (5/6)^50 or 13.7%

[warm spindle]

[finite wedge]

i have more

[fast sail]

@warm spindle

[finite wedge]

@warm spindle i can give u what ever u want for free

[spring charm]

id do the same just bc it adds playtijme

playtime

[fast sail]

But yeah. Calculating chance when it comes to numbers it a lot different than you think. 1/5 1 time is 20% running it 80 times isn’t 20% anymore

[civic swift]

but the average is 10 of a given number

[fast sail]

But as I showed in the math. It isn’t the percent chance you actually think it is. It’s lower.

That gap gets bigger as the higher the percent is

[civic swift]

no, thats the chance to get exactly 10

you will have an average of 10

no, but ok

[coral halo]

1/6 is not 20% wtf 💀

[warm spindle]

10% crit chance, 10 crits every 100 strikes

14% crit chance, 14 crits a every 100 strikes

On average, it’s simple.

[fast sail]

1 in 5

[spring charm]

omg someone made a spelling error

[fast sail]

It’s not though haha.

[civic swift]

lets prove it then

[coral halo]

you literally did all of your calculations with 1/6 though

[warm spindle]

@fast sail simple as this

[civic swift]

lets take 6 as our target number

[fast sail]

Not how it actually works. When calculating chance and probability over the course of X amounts of hits you can to put it to the power of the amount of hits

[civic swift]

if you roll the die one time repeatedly, what is the average number of times it will come up as 6 per single trial?

[coral halo]

me when I accidentally type 20% instead of 16.7% (I pressed the wrong key )

[fast sail]

As long as you do the math like (1/6)^x or to the power of X

[civic swift]

no, let me rephrase

[fast sail]

Which is how the match pans out when calculating chance.

Crit calculates off that same principle.

[warm spindle]

If you hit something 100 times and you had a 10% crit chance, tell me how many times you would expect to deal crit

[civic swift]

if you do a number of trials with each trial consisting of rolling the die once, what is the average number of times per trial that the die will roll a 6?

[fast sail]

(1/10)^x. If x is 1 then you have a 10%. If x is say 80x it’s less than 10%

[warm spindle]

Bro what world are you on?

It’s not difficult

[civic swift]

answer mine please

[warm spindle]

It’s 10

[coral halo]

man forgot about expected value 💀

[fast sail]

The way it actually calculates out is different because of how probabilities work. 🤷🏽‍♂️

1/6 chance to get a crit ran 60 times ends up being lower than 1/6 in reality. As shown in the example I showed lol

[civic swift]

the odds of getting exactly 10 isnt that high but the average number of successes per 100 hits is 10

[warm spindle]

And I did say on average.

[civic swift]

also not sure how you got 13% at the end there

[coral halo]

they're using binomial probablity

[civic swift]

1/6 ^ 10 * 5/6 ^ 50 is insanely small

[coral halo]

which can also be used to prove that a 1/6 (10 trials out of 60) is the most likely outcome

[civic swift]

havent taken statistics so not sure of all the technical terms, but I understand the concepts

[fast sail]

Chance is calculated based on the idea of let’s say 20% crit. The actual calculation because it’s based on chance to hit that 20% it looks like this (1/5)^x * (4/5)^x =

X = the amount of times you roll

[civic swift]

not sure what youre calculating there, theres more steps than that whatever it is

[coral halo]

the actual terraria hit chance should be whatever your crit is anyways though

if you have 50% on a very long term average you're going to hit 50% of crits

[civic swift]

lets go back to proving it out

if you do a number of trials with each trial consisting of rolling the die once, what is the average number of times per trial that the die will roll a 6?

[finite wedge]

Have the rarest pet in the game(Dirtiest Block) Taking offers

[fast sail]

When calculating something like dmg increases, we are basing it on that calculation. Plus whatever goes into the increase of what you would get off increasing the flat dmg. The way that percentage calculates makes crit less effective

[civic swift]

the percent is how many times on average you will get a crit per 100 hits, thats all there is to it

if you want to prove it you can answer my questions

[fast sail]

It’s hard to explain probability statistic to someone who’s never had to do them before 🤷🏽‍♂️ but why don’t you just get on some mods and actually test it? If you do the dmg vs crit, I can assure you itll play out exactly as I said. The high crit goes, the more dmg is worth point for point. And you want more dmg vs crit the higher your crit goes

[civic swift]

otherwise I think we're done for now

[fast sail]

But dmg calca isn’t that simple lol

[civic swift]

except it is, like I said, I can prove it to you if you answer my questions, otherwise doesnt look like I can

[fast sail]

I answered your questions with the math behind calculating probability 🤷🏽‍♂️

[civic swift]

this one

[fast sail]

Probability is calculated differently than the math your spitting out lll

[civic swift]

.

ping me if you answer it

[finite wedge]

Giving free loot, ping me

[fast sail]

Average isn’t what we’re looking at though. It’s how it’s modifying your dmg. Over the course of a fight. Which is done with the math of (crit%/100)^x * (chance not to crit/100)^x =

The game will use that calculation as well.

For 15% for example
(15/100)^x * (85/100)^x

And when we calculate dmg, it’s usually based on DPS over a large amount of X. X being hits

[civic swift]

and what is the term for finding the equivalent result per event for something done some number of times?

[proper holly]

Hello

[civic swift]

again, not sure what steps of the calculation youre not showing, but that wont give you anything meaningful

[fast sail]

It’s the calculated chance if you hitting a crit over the course of X. Which runs differently than just a flat crit chance/100. Because crit chance/100 run x amount of times makes the actual or effective percent different than you’d thing. And how much lower that true percent is gets bigger and bigger the high you go. The way that calculation runs is kinda like this. If 1/6 run 80 times is 13%~ you’d think ever percent you’d go up would increase that chance by an equal amount, but it doesn’t. That gap is the reason that probability statistics show diminishing returns on a “chance to hit”. The way that work with crit statistics makes each 1% for example you gain past a certain point less effective by a very very small amount. Which is why a flat dmg increase becomes better as there isn’t the same diminishing returns.

[civic swift]

so what do you come up with when you plug 100 in for x

[warm spindle]

“If 1/6 run 80 times is 13%…”

Why aren’t you using the average? That’s all that matters

[fast sail]

Plug it into a chance calculator 🤷🏽‍♂️. And yes there are specific calculators online specifically for chance over x amount of rolls because it’s different than just 1/6.

Because the way games calculate crit chance is using an equation like that 😂 either way. There are ways to strip it down and run it. And if the math ran the way y’all think it does then crit % and Dmg % would increase dps equally not matter how high. Both climb up to 100. It would be exactly as Dino said where you’d want say 80% crit and 80% dmg. It wouldn’t matter. But because of the way crit actually calculates it’s more like 70% crit and 90% dmg is more effective.

[civic swift]

no, using the formula you are using

[fast sail]

I’m saying go plug it in yourself. The only reason I know the percents based on 1/6 is because this argument has been run with “the chance to roll a 1 over X amounts of rolls” about a million times. It’s one of the first ways a stats professor will teach probability statistics.

Mind you they way that lecture starts is literally 1/6 rolled 60 times isn’t 1/6

[civic swift]

I plugged it in myself and got nothing meaningful, which is why I'm trying to figure out what else youre doing with it

[civic swift]

you will get the 1/6 chance an average of 10 times

[civic swift]

if you want to prove it you can go back to this and answer it

[warm spindle]

A 1% crit chance = an average of 1 crit per 100 attacks

You could land a crit every strike or you could never land a crit even after 999999 attacks but what’s the relevance of that? The average is there for a reason

[elder island]

whats better corruption or crimson

[civic swift]

yes

corruption has better pre hardmode weapons, crimson is easier since it doesnt have devourers, you can get both biomes in hardmode

[lean spoke]

i would choose crimsion since the funny piss book is good for the mechs

[quick cosmos]

thats not why i would choose crimson but ok

golden shower is good but so is good cursed flames 😢

I choose crimson for other reasons

[trail cliff]

i started my world less than a minute ago and just got a eucalyptus sap?? how did i get that??

i chopped down maybe 10 trees

[earnest haven]

Luck!

[shut elk]

@noble sapphire

[manic tangle]

anyone wanna play?

[fast sail]

#archive-ltp They want you. Really really want you.

[bright pagoda]

yo

somebody wanna help defeat eye of cthulu

started a new world

[odd stirrup]

Every boss but the Wall of Flesh has fallen
(For the Worthy)

[indigo pebble]

gl man

when i did for the worthy, it was literal hell

(mine was master mode so it would explain some of it)

[indigo pebble]

or woman

[odd stirrup]

This is my second time through lol

Was a fun time the first run

[harsh oyster]

huh like just prehard mode???

[ocean vault]

its impossible to create an afk farm where mobs like wasps/hornet spawn right? cause of the natural jungle walls?

[harsh oyster]

nah

i think

you can make

dangerous wall

[ocean vault]

if u do it directly on the jungle yes

[harsh oyster]

that spawn mobs

[ocean vault]

wait really?

[harsh oyster]

i think so yeah

[ocean vault]

any dangerous wall?

as long as it's in the jungle biome?

[harsh oyster]

yeah i think any but maybe just jungle moss or whatever its called

[ocean vault]

cause the only jungle wall can be made with jungle seeds via ectomist

and it doesnt seem dangerous

[harsh oyster]

yeah yea

natural jungle walls

make in graveyard

dont stop mobs

also

why do you need to farm hornets??????

like what can you get that you cant get from like 15 minutes of grinding?

[ocean vault]

my goal is to have every possible afk farm active in a world

with artificial biomes

and it would be better if it can be only inside 1 structure

[ocean vault]

that's the thing it doesnt stop mobs, but it doesn't make the exclusive mobs that spawn via natural jungle walls

[harsh oyster]

hmmm

lemmie think

wait how yould you make one bulding

you cant have ocean and underworld

at same time

and sky enemies too

but as for jungle im out of options i dont know either

[ocean vault]

ye that's a different structure

cause that would be impossible

[fast sail]

Im not sure you need dangerous jungle wall. If it exists then by all means use it anyway. Something else to remember is Jungle enemies spawn from jungle grass made jungle biomes not Temple blocks I thinkg

Least thats how is used to work

[ocean vault]

ohh i see

cause iirc mobss like turtles and derplings in hm spawn on anyblock as long as its the correct biome

[fast sail]

Dont quote me on this. Maybe google it. Last I checked a "temple Jungle" is different because the jungle temple isnt meant to spawn other mobs.

But if there is dangerous jungle or hive walls then use that. Or maybe dangerous mud blocks?

[tight warren]

hey guys do i get the gyatt queen?

[ocean vault]

ill be testing it all out again

[gusty berry]

The what

[digital maple]

wow mods are not okay

[clear lichen]

when will 1.4.5 come out

[bronze wing]

Once red drops a fat feet reveal

they called me crazy

but it will become a reality

[odd saffron]

Ask an oracle

[urban socket]

They said never

[unique grove]

bro legit no one wants to play and I gotta wait till 5 for my bro to get on cuz he's in a diff time zone

[worn radish]

Then wait, or play other game

[ocean vault]

guys does lava not hurt angry trappers/maneaters?

[prime widget]

when I use the smart select for, for example, using a pickaxe, start swinging it and then stop holding the smart select button it goes back to the item I initially had in hand even if I keep swinging and it uses it. I remember it to be different, is there an option or something?

[ocean vault]

idk how to fix that but toggling it is just better

[prime widget]

toggling it?

I dont mean the smart placement

but the "hold shift for pickaxe if you hover over a block" thingy

I'm just gonna ask this in the help channel

[polar orchid]

Hi

[proper holly]

These mobs are no match for me in my base

[lapis thicket]

Can i ask some thing. I just play the game a few hours, at first i can click on item on 1-0 bar and use. But now i can not, only can change item by press the right button, can not switch by click like before. It kinda hard for me 😅

[proper holly]

Strange

[wild flume]

Sus

[lapis thicket]

Idk if i press some wrong button

[wild flume]

Empoßibiel

[proper holly]

What do fallen stars do?

[outer wraith]

you can craft mana stars with it

[proper holly]

Ok

Also my game glitched and the door is always open wth

[civic grail]

sometimes it happens but it is not a glitch. just close the door using right click

[proper holly]

Ok

How do I get this yellow square off my screen https://imgur.com/a/683CYqY

[bronze crest]

Looks like a block is there and smart curser is locking on to it. Try pressing Lft Ctrl

[humble lion]

Press ctrl to toggle off smart cursor

[proper holly]

Ok

[bronze crest]

Ha, beat ya to it

[humble lion]

:(

[worn radish]

🐌

[proper holly]

Thanks

[bronze crest]

Glad to help! And so is Defecticon

[humble lion]

🗿👍

[bronze crest]

I'm not so good with advice, others can help there.
However, if you decide you just want to get past him, I'll happily join and delete him for you. Just tag me here or shoot me a message.

Either way, good luck!

[bold crescent]

make sure you have an arena built, maybe also have heart lantern, campfire and buff potions

[bronze crest]

Yes, I'll join your world, kill him, and dip like a potato chip.

Are you sure? It won't be a fair fight.

Understood, add this account and I'll join

Yes, steam

206593418

Accepted, make sure you appear online and have the world set to multiplayer

Sounds good

You may have to shoot me an invite

[lapis thicket]

I want to ask if in multiplayer mode, can other players take and use (or take away) the items I put in the chest in the house?

[ocean shadow]

Yea

[lapis thicket]

E.g: my friend put zenith in a chest then i enter and take it away 😂

[ocean shadow]

Yeh you can do that

[lapis thicket]

Does my friend lost it ?

[ocean shadow]

Yep

[lapis thicket]

🤣

[ocean shadow]

I stole a lot of resources from my friend when we played

He got pissed

I also messed up his base

[bronze crest]

Rightfully so, it's a shitty thing to do. If I were him I'd stop playing with you.

[ocean shadow]

It was just some ichor

[bronze crest]

No worries, friend! I'll wait for you

[ocean shadow]

And we did a trade

So i wasnt really stealing

But it was kinda cheating

Since i didnt get it on my own

[bronze crest]

You do you my dude

[ocean shadow]

Yeh

Ok

[bronze crest]

One sec, let me reload the game, it's being goofy

[crisp tangle]

Is it normal for tmodloader to just... forget several hours of progress?

It's happened to me twice this week. made me give up the run.

[bronze crest]

Stuck on joining, won't let me connect

[severe kestrel]

No?

Did you save properly

[crisp tangle]

As opposed to....?

[bronze crest]

Game on my end seems to be running fine, however it's still not letting me join. I got further, found the server, but still can't fully join.

Are you in the United States?

[ancient crater]

Oh there’s already people playing together. I was about to ask if someone wanted a partner

[bronze crest]

Ping may be the issue. Try resarting the server and sending me another invite please.

[bronze crest]

Trying to anyway lol

[ancient crater]

Yeah I know the struggles. I play with a friend from very far away and somehow every time is a new issue

You guys accept another?

Guess I should see that as a no. Anyone here wanting a gaming partner?

[bronze crest]

Yeah we added each other on steam. We've both restarted the game and now we're trying a server reset. I'm just trying to help him beat a bo

We got it fixed.

No problem, happy to help!

[ancient crater]

Oh, so I actually can join? You guys on vanilla or tmod?

[worn radish]

heh, i get it

[bronze crest]

I'm off for now, it's 6:30qm and I need sleep lol

[ancient crater]

Oh I see. Glad you got help

[bronze crest]

Am*

[ancient crater]

You should say gs

Good sleep

[bronze crest]

Either way, many thanks lol you guys have a great day/night!

[north swift]

Lol it morning here but goodnight if it's night for u

[ancient crater]

I’ll have both. It’s 4:30am here. So it’s the end of night and the start of day

But well, anyone wanting a gaming partner?

769 + 360 + the probably 1k+ I have on console… That qualification enough?

[zenith stratus]

nice

[lapis thicket]

What the difference between
Random, corrupted, crimson ?
Journey, classic, master, calamities ?

Im doing small corrupted recently

Classic

[zenith stratus]

so in the world creation screen you have an option between corruption or crimson they are the 2 world evils and most worlds can only have 1 so you can choose which one you want or you can go random. For the difficulties: journey mode is sort of a creative option, classic is the easiest option, expert mode introduces new ai and accessories mainly, master has increased health and new mounts/pets, calamities is a terraria mod available through tmodloader

[crisp tangle]

Master is just "Expert with more HP". The game does not really change, which makes me sad.

[lapis thicket]

Ok can I transfer item to another difficulty?

[ancient crater]

Yes. Just take a character with those items into a world with that difficulty

[crisp tangle]

All except Journey difficulty, yes.

[lapis thicket]

Guess not

U can ?

[zenith stratus]

yes, you can create an expert world and take your character that was on your classic world onto expert. Only for journey mode can you not take a classic character over to a journey world

[worn radish]

what's calamities?
i've never heard of it

[crisp tangle]

You can create a night edge in a classic world and put it on a starter character in a master zenith world if you like.

[lapis thicket]

I though i must play again

[crisp tangle]

Calamity is the name of a popular mod.

[ancient crater]

He confused a mod with a gamemode

[worn radish]

ah

[ancient crater]

But well, again in plea I ask, does anyone want a gaming partner?

[zenith stratus]

whenever someone starts a new playthrough the usual method is just by making a new character on a new world but this is a singleplayer game so play however you want really

[worn radish]

yeah, if you want to be the overpowered main character, by all mean go for it

[lapis thicket]

Ok thanks 🙏

[lapis thicket]

I do want to :v

[worn radish]

we all want to sometime

but it get old real quick

[crisp tangle]

Hit me if you want to do HC Master Zenith.

World's shortest gaming session.

[worn radish]

my ass probably die 5 min in

i die alot in early game

[ancient crater]

Would you wanna do it without the HC? Cause I’m down. I just don’t wanna lose it all in 2-5 minutes(If I’m lucky)

[worn radish]

not by boss, mostly by trap and enviroment hazard

[ancient crater]

Or because it’s Zenith Master, enemies will kill you very frequently. Specially cause finding heart crystals is a little hard when going up is more annoying than going down

[zenith stratus]

on gfb queen bee is an environmental hazard

[lapis thicket]

What is HC ?

[zenith stratus]

hardcore, only 1 life

[crisp tangle]

Everyone dies in HCM Zenith.
I have been through HCM normal a few times, but Zenith just steals your HP bar.

Didn't think you were standing on a crispy honey block? Dead.
Train tracks with a pressure plate? Dead.
Lava fall on a beehive? Queen bee spawns. Dead.

[lapis thicket]

Ah ok

I try this gme cause visual of it look like noita :v

[proper holly]

I found my first ore; Tin

[lapis thicket]

But the true is it noita + mine craft 😂

[ancient crater]

Nice you got the best out of the 2 tier 1’s

[proper holly]

Yeah, I'm curious if tin armour exists

[zenith stratus]

yes it does, but I wouldn't use your tin on armor

go for cactus armor, that's pretty good early game

[ancient crater]

Yeah it does. All metals you find can be made into not only armor, but tools and weapons

[proper holly]

Ok

[lapis thicket]

Wait i got alot platinum bard right now but still not see any boss

How to meet boss 😂

Only event that happen til now is a blood rain

Spawn alot of zombie

But i survive

[ancient crater]

Well, you don’t meet bosses at random. You gotta summon them. Most of them have a specific item that you use to make it spawn

What bosses have you killed till now?

[lapis thicket]

No one 😂

[ancient crater]

Well, how much platinum you got? And do you have a ruby? Just a single one

[lapis thicket]

I though it spawn after specific time

[lapis thicket]

Alot :v

[ancient crater]

Some have a random chance to spawn some times, but it’s fully random

[proper holly]

Got some cacti

[ancient crater]

Give a number please. And again, do you have a ruby?

Also, I’d like to ask once more. Anyone here accepts a gaming partner?

[proper holly]

Now my character will be greener than ever with cactus armour (I made my character all green because it's my favourite colour)

[ancient crater]

Green and Prickly. You’re truly the walking cactus

[proper holly]

Yeah

[ancient crater]

Not a soul? I don’t wanna sound desperate, I just want a friend. Wait that sounds desperate. Eh, I’m desperate anyway. Accept your flaws, kids

[lapis thicket]

Ok i my bad im not have ruby yet

[ancient crater]

I see. If you get a ruby and still have a good amount of platinum, make a platinum crown on an anvil. Then you go to your evil biome(Either a Scary Purple place or a scary Red Place) and you try to find an altar. The version of the purple one, called the Corruption, is like a table with teeth pointing up. The one for the red, which is Caled crimson, is like a bulbous pile of flesh with some eyes on it

And with 30 gel and a crown, you can make the slime crown, which summons the first boss you should tackle

[proper holly]

This transparent map feature is kind of cool but kind of annoying https://imgur.com/dAuC8s6

[zenith stratus]

press tab

[proper holly]

OK

[zenith stratus]

i think that's the default for changing your map

[proper holly]

👍

[ancient crater]

Yeah that can sometimes be jarring. I’d say to only use it for boss fights where the boss keeps going out of your view, and don’t use it while rain happens, for me at least it really hurts my eyes

[proper holly]

Ok

[lapis thicket]

btw how can one inventory box hold more quantity? When I watch other people's videos, it can contain more than 1000 items of the same type but mine cannot

[humble lion]

You mean item stacks?

[lapis thicket]

Yup

[humble lion]

Blocks stack to 9999

[proper holly]

😮 More tin

[humble lion]

As do most stackable items

[lapis thicket]

So what the high light at the border of item square?

I not have that

See people sort eventory stack to 9k item

[ancient crater]

Does anyone wanna play with me?

[full tangle]

@ancient crater i want to play with u

[ancient crater]

Really?

1.4.4.9

Really? Alright

[proper holly]

I have so much tin

33 ingots

[hollow basin]

thats not too much

[proper holly]

I thought it was lol

[hollow basin]

that would not even make you a full set of tin

[proper holly]

Sorry for saying anything

[hollow basin]

do you want to play with me?

[proper holly]

Ok

[hollow basin]

1.4.4.9

[proper holly]

That’s my version too

[hollow basin]

direct chat me

[proper holly]

Ok

[humble lion]

Is your game updated to version 1.4.4

[wild crescent]

Buy the game it aint expensive

[odd saffron]

Are you asking for a pirated version of the game ? On the official discord of Terraria ? Where the devs are ?

[worn radish]

well i told him he could get ban but he said " if i get ban, i get ban"

[odd saffron]

Omg they already asked ????

<@&487716604470099989> Please ban that person

[humble lion]

Bruh

[zenith stratus]

average tcord activities

[humble lion]

Did he delete his message or did a mod do that

[odd saffron]

Some people are so stupid it's scary

[odd saffron]

I think they deleted it themselves because I don't see a check mark under the ping

[worn radish]

mf be acting like they're hot stuff but flee when being confronted

kek

[odd saffron]

Oh I got the check mark, thank you mods ! :)

I wonder if we'll ever have a cure for stupidity

Some people really need it

[worn radish]

let nature take it course

[odd saffron]

Nature has weakened :/

[humble lion]

Nature isn't instant

All it takes is patience

[odd saffron]

Fair ... I must be a little bit more patient

[worn radish]

i'll be little more doctor then

[terse isle]

hey guys

can i destroy your mental health?

[worn radish]

i don't have one, sorry

[terse isle]

oh wait fuck i can't post images

[odd saffron]

Good

[humble lion]

L

[worn radish]

https://tenor.com/view/engineer-tf2-gif-21490673

L

[humble lion]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-tf2demoman-glue-hell-team-fortress2-gif-22429703

[worn radish]

you play tf2 2?

[humble lion]

Yes

Source 2 is great

Rocket jumping is kinda bugged now tho

[worn radish]

nice, i got my first aussie yesterday

[humble lion]

Cool

Brass Beast best minigun

[worn radish]

yep

[humble lion]

No one can change my mind

I love that lil thing

Still needs a buff tho

[worn radish]

getting crit on that thing and just mow down the enemy team

[humble lion]

mhm

I especially love it when I catch the enemy by surprise since I like to employ a hyper aggressive playstyle with it

A lot of the time they just don't know how to react since you don't see someone like that every day

[humble lion]

Like it's not like I do bad with it, it's just that the rest of the community wants it and I kinda agree

[orchid gate]

how do i play on large multi player servers

[quasi olive]

hello everyone has anyone tried the onepiece mod ???

[orchid gate]

if you would like to talk about that then go to terraria modded channel

[quasi olive]

ask on terraria-help channel

[orchid gate]

ok

[quasi olive]

: )

[spring charm]

anybody got ideas for big arenas i can make for each boss

i wanna make an arena for each area where you fight a bpss

cuz why not

[orchid gate]

what does bpss mean

[spring charm]

like for example: 1 in the crimson for the boc, 1 at the dungeon for skeletron and cultist, 1 at the temple (or above ground) for golem, etc

[spring charm]

boss.

[orchid gate]

ok

did my thing glitch out or did you just send something and delete it

[spring charm]

i used #

[orchid gate]

im a fast reader

[spring charm]

when u use #

the message get deleted

idk why

but they decided to do that ig

[gilded sonnet]

how do you get roles like palladium?

[spring charm]

its a bot

#bot-commands

stylist bort

bot

[gilded sonnet]

oh ok ty

[ashen trellis]

sup all

[spring charm]

hi

[gleaming solstice]

where would i go to report a bug on pc?

[spring charm]

terraria help unless they have a bug report thingy

#terraria-help

[zenith stratus]

https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?forums/pc-bug-reports.219/

[lapis thicket]

It 1.4.4.9. Btw i figure it out

[humble lion]

How'd you figure it out

I'm curious

What was the problem in the first place

[ancient aspen]

anybody wanna play ım new in the game

[spring charm]

i gotta do school work sorry

well

we can play if u want

ill make a new character unless you want me to spawn in with the nights edge

[zenith stratus]

this could help you start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMLyeS8KneA&ab_channel=GrobeManGuides%26Gameplay

[dusk quarry]

who play?

[proper holly]

I found lead ore. Is that any good?

[odd saffron]

Wiki time

[nimble whale]

türk varmı

[zenith stratus]

ye

[proper holly]

Cool

[odd saffron]

[worn radish]

lead poisoning

[proper holly]

Yes

Led Zeppelin

[ancient aspen]

thank you so much ı was looking for a video

[proper holly]

T E R R A R I A

[plush holly]

[loud pewter]

hello

how do i get one of those NPC voodoo dolls?

[zenith stratus]

the guide voodoo doll is obtained from a voodoo demon in hell, the clothier voodoo doll is dropped from any dungeon enemy

the guide voodoo doll is to summon wall of flesh, the clothier voodoo doll is used to resummon skeletron

[brave pawn]

I think I won against the Queen Bee? I died simultaneously making it a close call

[fast sail]

Mutual distruction counts if youre reason to live was to get revenge on queen bee

[brave pawn]

hehe

"I'm going down and I'm taking you with me!"

What is the purpose of pets exactly? Besides being cute

[fast sail]

Being cute

[brave pawn]

I find they tend to be a bit distracting

[fast sail]

Though there is a chest pet that works as a piggy bank and follows you

[brave pawn]

how do you despawn when desired?

ah

that would be handy

regards chest

[fast sail]

you can click the eye next to it and hide it

[brave pawn]

thanks

er, why is the sound effect a crisp crunch?

[fast sail]

[brave pawn]

am I eating the turtle into existence?

[fast sail]

[spring charm]

yes

[brave pawn]

bizarre

I'm trying to make/find a finch staff

[fast sail]

Can only find in trees. You may be better off crafting flinx staff or dying for flower.

[brave pawn]

I'll look 4 some thanks

[fast sail]

Abigales flower is great! If you die, put a couple graves next to grass near spawn. The red flower is abigals flower, a decent ghost summon that gets stronger the more you summon it

[brave pawn]

I have one

yeah she's handy

does summoning her consume anything?

[severe kestrel]

Can’t you just summon, remove, repeat?

If she gets stronger each time you summon

[brave pawn]

I've been careful about overusing in case I use up, whatever is powering her

[fast sail]

Like she gets more movement speed and dmg per summon slot she uses

[severe kestrel]

Oh

I’m dumb, my bad

[fast sail]

Youre good! THere are 3 summons that work like that.

[brave pawn]

summon slot?

[fast sail]

You start with 1 summon slot, and one Summon Turret slot. There are items that raise that. Late game you can have say, 14 summons and 3ish turret slots

[brave pawn]

where r summon slots shown?

[fast sail]

Assuming you are using summoner armor/accesories. If you are using ranged/ melee armor you can raise summons using potions and or summoning table.

They arnt. You just kinda have to reade set bonuses

[warm spindle]

11 minions is max

[fast sail]

Spooders dont count as a full minon iirc

[warm spindle]

?

[fast sail]

Spiders are 75% of a slot per summon right?

[warm spindle]

No spiders take a full slot

[fast sail]

Ahhhh Unlike most minions, a spider only takes up .75 of 1 minion slot. Therefore, with 3 potential minions, 4 can be summoned, and with 6 potential minions, 8 can be summoned, etc. This can be especially useful if the player wants a larger pack of summons rather than a more powerful one. (1.3)

it was like that in 1.3

[thorn vault]

i've built this farm , summoned the pumpkin event, first wave announced in chat, event victory announced in chat but not a single enemy spawned, https://youtu.be/pfyDhIQKz9s?si=aT2UTuPQybpkMOG9 does anybody knows why?

there are no walls in the places they are supposed to spawn or whatsoever

[honest heart]

any1 able to help me kill duke fishron or give me some tips please?

[forest agate]

how do i fix the message that keeps showing up when i try to join a friend that says "Lost connection"

[warm spindle]

#terraria-help message Learn the attack pattern, also might be a coincidence but I knew someone called Thundercat on ps4, are you Sofia?

[honest heart]

No, I’m Firecat on ps because thundercat was taken xD

[gentle oriole]

still need help?

[clever rock]

my terraria isnt loading up when i click play on steam anyone know how to fix without losing all progression??

[spring charm]

restart pc

worked for me

[honest heart]

Nah

[spring charm]

fym nah

[clever rock]

i tried that it used to work but now i cant do it even when i restart pc

[spring charm]

ok

check the integrity of the game files

[clever rock]

already have

several times 😦

[naive finch]

Go onto your Steam Settings, Downloads, then click Clear Download Cache.

Then restart your PC

[clever rock]

will that not reset my profile?

[naive finch]

Hold on.
i will do it my-self and check.

Its fine, just deletes resource packs

@clever rock

[clever rock]

ok

thanks

[clever rock]

good news i managed to do it without clearing anything and just a few more restarts hope it stays like this

[zealous vector]

Good guys, a question, does your tmod already work? mine keeps giving error in the calamity mod :/

[left perch]

That's an issue with calamity and other mods that haven't updated to the latest update of tmodloader, like consolaria

But you can get updates in the calamity discord (I think it exists) or #terraria-modded

[full yacht]

what I find hilarious is that the tortured soul is a tax collector...

it sounds about right

[edgy kite]

I don't think you're ever going to stop having problems with mods until we're 5+ years out from the final final final final vanilla update

[opaque cloud]

hi

[woven pollen]

hello

can someone pls help me

[opaque cloud]

with?

[woven pollen]

the game crashes on startup ive been trying to fix it for 2 hrs

it just wont open

[opaque cloud]

let it rest it will fix it self over time ( well thats what i always do

[severe kestrel]

Restart your pc?

Idk

[woven pollen]

restarted my pc and ewven reinstalled the game multiple times

[severe kestrel]

Damn

Wish I could help, sorry

[left perch]

DUDEE what the hell is wrong with my rng

I got the natural King slime spawn without a slime rain

And before I'm even done fighting him I get the EOC message

[dusty dust]

bru

thats just bad ass luck

[lapis thicket]

In master mode if i die i drop all item ?

[coral halo]

that's only if your character's difficulty is set to mediumcore or hardcore

not world difficulty

[pastel holly]

i got a question for someone but i cant send screenshots

[worn radish]

sure, ask

[lapis thicket]

But if i set character classic, can i play in master mode ?

[narrow vortex]

terrerias is pretty fire

[coral halo]

yes classic characters can play in any difficulty of world (except journey)

[lapis thicket]

Oh

Thanks

[loud pewter]

which is better.

jake

or

zenith

[elder island]

whats a must have when fighting plantera on master mode?

[gloomy solstice]

a bulb

[feral veldt]

I'm standing in front of a demon altar with Volcano, Blade of Grass, Muramasa and Light's Bane trying to get Night's Edge. But for some reason it's not showing. Any idea why that might happen?

[gloomy solstice]

stand in it

just to be sure

like over the sprite

[feral veldt]

No such luck

[gloomy solstice]

i’m not sure

send a ss?

[feral veldt]

I am lucky with how many there are though. 1 by itself, 2 more a quick jump right, and 5 grouped together 2 nore jumps over.

[open slate]

oh my goodness. I had a solar eclipse, then a blood moon, then another solar eclipse

[gloomy solstice]

i had that in my last one too