terraria-pc

[ripe finch]

yeah, dodge it

[young yew]

Dodge

[ripe finch]

with your mobility

oh

right

[stiff panther]

dude

[young yew]

Oh wait, you have no movement

[stiff panther]

its literally...

3 greek fires stacked on one

[viscid sand]

You are summoner you should have like 10 minions swarming them

[ripe finch]

well there's a alternative to dodging

and thats killing them before they can attack

with all your damage

oh

wait

[stiff panther]

thats

literally

impossible

[ripe finch]

for you maybe

but not for me

[stiff panther]

ok you kill pumpking in 2 seconds with morning star, dark harvest, and durenda;

go on

[ripe finch]

shit im gonna do a summoner expert run just to spite you soon

[zenith stratus]

THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING BOUT?

[young yew]

I did a Master Summoner run when 1.4 dropped

Was easy as fuck

Summoner is cracked

[stiff panther]

you have no idea how annoying that is dude

[young yew]

You’re just using it wrong

[viscid sand]

I did a master summoner run with only prehard armor

[ripe finch]

oh no a very slow moving projectile

[young yew]

Obsidian FTW

[zenith stratus]

I guess if you're standing still

[stiff panther]

my pumpkin moon arena is a pool of water, i sit in the middle of it above the pool hitting every enemy that drops in

[young yew]

Ew my Zenith only does 418 damage

[stiff panther]

im not able to see the pumpkin when he spawns

[young yew]

I wanted to be at 500

[ripe finch]

why is that your pumpkin moon arena

bro i have even more questions now

[viscid sand]

Imagine being so defensive you can't move or do damage.... No wonder you keep dying, which makes you think you need to be EVEN MORE DEFENSIVE

[stiff panther]

i'd die faster if i had literally 35 defense

who cares about extra summons

they are actually useless

until terraprisma

[ripe finch]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[stiff panther]

the main damage comes from the whip and only that

[viscid sand]

You die less if you could move faster, fly faster, teleport around

[young yew]

Sanguine, Xeno, Optic and almost every fucking summon would disagree with that

[ripe finch]

whips have damage?

[stiff panther]

all of those are terrible dude, especially the optic staff

[young yew]

Whips at most deal similar damage to the summons

[ripe finch]

oh yeah xeno staff absolutely rocks

love me some xeno staff

[young yew]

They’re a tool for directing summons

If you wanna use whips so much just play Melee

[stiff panther]

bro.. the morning star does like 250 damage when legendary

[young yew]

And hits slow as hell

[viscid sand]

Terrible? You are like the worst summoner in the history of class playthroughs

[stiff panther]

have you never heard of whip stacking?

[ripe finch]

no

can you explain it to me

[young yew]

Imagine whip stacking and still sucking

[stiff panther]

exactly you can't say im bad if you dont even know what whip stacking is

[young yew]

I didn’t do it once and my playthrough went just fine

[ripe finch]

can you explain it to me so that i may learn from your mistakes

a classic "what not to do" situation

[stiff panther]

swapping through multiple whips in order to gain any effect or buff they apply, then switching back to your main one to maximize dps as a summoner

[ripe finch]

sounds like melee with extra steps

[viscid sand]

You die because you can't move or do damage at range. You seriously need to rethink how you play as summoner. You'd be surprised how much easier it would be if you actually used summoner armor and stacked movement accessories out the wazu

[ripe finch]

hell even melee would just be easier

[stiff panther]

dude you're stupid\

[ripe finch]

get yourself a terrablade since youre already using turtle armor

[young yew]

Literally

[ripe finch]

im not the fake summoner who's not actually using summons

[viscid sand]

People on the Zenith seed aren't using defense, they are using movement

[young yew]

At that point just switch classes because that’s just sad

[viscid sand]

[stiff panther]

you think i didnt try that?

died in 3 hits like i said, to GOLEM.

[ripe finch]

you're literally just a melee class with less damage so you have to use actual melee armor which makes you not a summoner

[viscid sand]

It takes practice but yes it's far better

[young yew]

You’re a bastardized version of two classes that doesn’t do half the damage they do

[stiff panther]

dude, you can annoy the dude who actually suggested the armor, not me

im just trying to learn how to play summoner on an expert world

both of which are first time

[viscid sand]

Make a larger arena outside the temple and get a rod of discord and move the fight outside into the underground jungle

[ripe finch]

not doing a great job if that's how you have to play a "summoner"

[young yew]

First step would be playing as a Summoner

[stiff panther]

bro, using melee armor to gain defense doesnt automatically make me bad and not a summoner

its purely. for defense

[viscid sand]

We are trying to tell you how but you are absurd in how absolutely you are willfully ignoring valid advice on improving

[stiff panther]

you wouldn't fight a boss with wood armor, would you?

[young yew]

I’ll do Master Pumpkin Moon in Pearlwood armor to spite you

[fleet trench]

A big part of summoner is using summoning armor

[young yew]

And yes I would because I use movement accessories

[ripe finch]

i really like the tavernkeep set of armors

[viscid sand]

Actually you are right, I would fight a boss fight naked

[stiff panther]

so far all you've done is insult me for being bad at dodging...

[young yew]

Ya don’t need armor if you can dodge

[viscid sand]

No I've told you MANY ways to make it easier to dodge. You freaking ignore them

[young yew]

If your armor doesn’t hold up and you can’t dodge you need to git gud because obviously what you’re doing isn’t working

[zenith stratus]

most difficult summoner playthrough

[ashen flax]

My jungle doctor isn’t selling jungle wings

[zenith stratus]

jungle wings were made post plantera

[young yew]

Is that a Finch Staff upgrade?

[ashen flax]

Are they actually ?

[young yew]

ong

[stiff panther]

because mobility wouldn't help, witch broom is already the fastest way to move while in the air

[young yew]

No it isn’t lmao

[zenith stratus]

texture pack for wands of discord, makes em owl house staff

[young yew]

You can’t dash with the broom

Relying on a relatively slow mount is part of the problem

[stiff panther]

you dont even need that, its faster to just fly to somewhere than spam A or D every few seconds

[viscid sand]

It is not, I said use broom before I knew you were bad at dodging. Go back to wings and use frog boots and a balloon. Your flight speed will increase over 60% faster

[stiff panther]

its literally the fastest flying mount in the game without special buffs

[young yew]

Then why do you keep dying?

[stiff panther]

the issue with wings is that they are limited, that is going to make you die quicker especially if you're fighting something like pumpking

[young yew]

It’s almost if… having the mobility of a dying tortoise isn’t optimal for Summoner

[viscid sand]

Broom is for people who are good at avoiding things with minimal movement

[young yew]

Not a crutch because you can’t dodge

Get a Shield of Cthulu

Get Amphibian Boots

Get Wings

Learn to dodge or never make it past Cultist I guess

[stiff panther]

im not going to fish for 3 hours for something slower than terraspark boots...

[young yew]

Me getting it 3 times within 20 minutes:

[viscid sand]

OMG you aren't paying attention. Wings+frog boots+balloon will make you FAST AS FOOK BOI. You fly a circle around it and land for a split second then FLY AGAIN

[young yew]

You just complain and don’t take any constructive criticism or advice.

[viscid sand]

You can't be touched

[stiff panther]

the second you land you get bombarded by like 12 mourning woods

[young yew]

Maybe you should go back to normal and practice dodging there.

[ashen flax]

What’s the easiest wings to get when u start hard mode

In expert

[young yew]

Probably Harpy

Or Angel

Or Demon

Yeah Angel/Demon, Harpy is a grind fest

[viscid sand]

You are in the air again before they touch you. If you aren't already using a platform above the ground then make one

[ashen flax]

i need to find a floating island

cuz I haven found one yet

[zenith stratus]

frozen are the best

[ashen flax]

how do u get those

[steady wing]

i cant place cooked food items on plates only fruits

[stiff panther]

and besides.. if i fill my accessory slots with purely mobility i wont have anything for my actual class

[viscid sand]

Half of them for mobility the other half for the class, ignore defense accessories

[zenith stratus]

ice feather from ice golems, blizzard on surface snow biome

[young yew]

You only need like 2-3 class-specific accessories

Wings, Shield, Boots

There

Then you can cram in 3 summoner accessories

It’s that easy

[viscid sand]

One of the best accessories for summoner has 8 defense, berserker glove

Get warding on that

+12 defense for 1 accessory AND it's offensive

[stiff panther]

also wouldn't i be completely lacking in horizontal mobility?

[zenith stratus]

I just threw together basic summoner gear, I actually think there's a better staff I can use and I'm not even using a whip

[stiff panther]

you need both horizontal and vertical movement for dodging pumpking..

[young yew]

SHIELD OF CTHULU

Are you DEAF?

[zenith stratus]

all you need is the broom

[viscid sand]

Frog boots combine horizontal and vertical movement

[stiff panther]

[young yew]

AMPHIBIAN BOOTS/SHIELD OF CTHULU/WINGS

Goddamn

It’s not rocket science

[stiff panther]

why would i stop every few seconds just to double tap A or D constantly...

[viscid sand]

Master ninja gear would be preferable to shield at this point

[stiff panther]

that would make me die quicker than simply just using the witch broom

[young yew]

Aight man have fun suffering

[spark tendon]

Because tapping A or D will make you live?

[zenith stratus]

@stiff panther

[viscid sand]

Why would you stop? Does it take every ounce of brain power to do it?

It literally accelerates you

[young yew]

So difFicult!!!!!1!1

[stiff panther]

because.. its double tapping.

[zenith stratus]

just for you imma do one without the broom

[viscid sand]

Double tapping to quickly and near instantly change directions and reverse horizontal acceleration?

[warm spindle]

that made the pgymys look good

[viscid sand]

Yeah that's amazing

[stiff panther]

well you're forgetting there are the mourning woods which spam fire greek fire

[young yew]

Guys just let him figure it out because he obviously doesn’t want help.

[spark tendon]

You do have to take your fingers off to double tap, but momentum does exist in terraria

[zenith stratus]

It's the first summon that came to mind

[zenith stratus]

did you watch the other video?

[warm spindle]

it legit looks decent now, ill have to check out what they buffed on it maybe im tripping

[viscid sand]

You land on a platform above them for a fraction of a second then you are back in the air out of their range

[stiff panther]

a dude literally just showed you how easy it is to use the witches broom to dodge, im not gonna break my fingers for one pumpking...

[young yew]

Stop wasting your time man, you aren’t getting through.

[viscid sand]

You are the one complaining about not being about to dodge cause you are too slow, broom is slower and for experienced players

[teal nest]

Gonna be honest I also dont like dash accessories but you cant just deny they are useful

[spark tendon]

How did this even start?

[young yew]

A dash is in my opinion the best kind of accessory

[viscid sand]

You are right, I'm done trying to explain to a wall with the IQ of a doorknob

[stiff panther]

all because i told them i couldn't dodge.

[warm spindle]

and how didnt it just get dismissed as "skill issue" lol

[young yew]

Because, y’know, I like to dodge attacks

[spark tendon]

That seems like a you problem chief

[young yew]

Crazy, I know

[teal nest]

Does a doorknob have more or less IQ than a wall

[mystic sorrel]

is it possible to use the aquator to cheese old ones army

[young yew]

Hahahaha no, no, no. You just want to complain and completely brush aside any advice or constructive criticism for the sake of being argumentative.

[manic glacier]

stardust dragon or terraprisma? it feels like dragon does better against ML.

[viscid sand]

We are trying to give VALID advice on how to move better and improve dodging not through "git gud" but through suggestions of accessories that would vastly improve mobility and actually make movement and dodging easier

[zenith stratus]

breaking pumpkings ankles

[spark tendon]

I think dragon is better for single targets? I'm not too sure

Dragon combos well with firecracker

[manic glacier]

why firecracker?

[hybrid spruce]

The little boink on it’s head 😭

[stiff panther]

and i already said mobility wont help because im already using the witches broom

[young yew]

Terraprisma used to be better but it got nerfed because apparently it was bugged.

[spark tendon]

Because 2.75*big damage is big big damage

[manic glacier]

the scythe whip is like a better firecracker

[stiff panther]

which is the easiest way to fight pumpking, even if it's slower

[spark tendon]

A bit risky though

[young yew]

Keep dying and complaining then. See where that gets you.

[spark tendon]

Maybe consider using wings

[viscid sand]

And I'm telling you you can have far more mobility than the broom, you don't listen or care.

[hybrid spruce]

If you can’t dodge with the broom then don’t use it!!

[manic glacier]

broom isnt good for bosses imo

[merry bough]

wasted slot

[zenith stratus]

the wings offer SO much more mobility in terms of dodging which is REALLY good when you hit wave 15 vs 20 something pumpkings

[stiff panther]

because anything that's not the broom requires even more button pressing

[viscid sand]

Broom is for people who are good at dodging in the first place

[merry bough]

too slow for me, great for general use though

[manic glacier]

use Shield of Cthulu, Tabi/Master Ninja Gear, Wings

[spark tendon]

For some people like me mounts just aren't as mobile as wings, so try to use them please

[manic glacier]

I agree

[spark tendon]

Wings have way better acceleration and allows you to dash easier

[zenith stratus]

especially if you use the the betsy wings which have the fastest horizontal mobility in the game

[hybrid spruce]

I’m just a really stupid witch in disguise so I like the broom

[stiff panther]

theres one half that tells me to remove the wings for something else, and the other half is telling me to use them...

[spark tendon]

If you don't want a dash have fun

[viscid sand]

Then don't complain about not being able to dodge cause you can't be arsed to press a few more buttons.

[manic glacier]

faster than the star from ML?

[zenith stratus]

pre 1.4 I forgor bout star

[manic glacier]

oh ok

[spark tendon]

Starboard is faster

When hovering

[zenith stratus]

ye starboard is 82mph

[stiff panther]

bro i literally have to double tap A or D every half second combined with pressing space constantly

[zenith stratus]

Betsy is 62

[viscid sand]

If you want LEAST button presses in fights become a Minecart player

[spark tendon]

Also you can actually run faster but that requires weirdchamp setups

[zenith stratus]

but Betsy wings are really good considering they are preML

[merry bough]

"I have to press buttons fast in bossfight"

[young yew]

You know what man, skill issue.

Absolutely fucking massive skill issue.

[hybrid spruce]

You’d have to do that when dodging either way

[merry bough]

If you don't like pressing buttons, stop playing the game or find a way to cheese the boss

[rapid dawn]

mega skill issue

[viscid sand]

Not literally every half second, there is a cool down and you don't have to CONSTANTLY dash. You didn't pay attention to anything anyone said at all. Man you need to learn to actually read and think about what people are telling you.

[stiff panther]

with the witches broom i simply have to press WASD

[spark tendon]

That's crazy, it's almost like video games require and input from the player to output results 🤯

[manic glacier]

I usually think "skill issue" is a stupid joke, but in this case, it is. If you can't be bothered to press a button a second time, you are way lazy.

[hybrid spruce]

No shit man

[spiral sage]

Shhesh ya really jumping on this dude

[manic glacier]

i heard you need to do that for 90% of pc games

[manic glacier]

hes being irrational

[merry bough]

Surprised it's not too hard for you

[zenith stratus]

It's more button pressing, dequipping mount, requipping it having to wasd dance on your keyboard on a mount than it is to just use wings

if you're avoiding being hit

[merry bough]

Like... dude... you have to press those buttons so much anyway.

[hybrid spruce]

I just don’t see why they’re so dependent on the broom

[stiff panther]

i focus all of my button pressing on the whips, for whip stacking

[viscid sand]

You missed the part for literally over an hour people tell him easy ways to vastly improve mobility for little effort and he's like "nope I'm gonna go all in on defense and complain I keep getting hit"

[young yew]

Laziness.

[manic glacier]

you can do that with whip stack

it is managable to dodge, equip and dequip mount, attack, and whip stack all at once

I do it

[young yew]

They whip stack but don’t use Summons, nor Summoner armor

[merry bough]

No point in defense if you get one shot

[young yew]

Makes total sense

[manic glacier]

with practice you can do it

[manic glacier]

WHAT IS THE POINT

[spiral sage]

Lol

[hybrid spruce]

WHA???

[young yew]

Exactly

[manic glacier]

to look cool? makes ya look like a fool

[viscid sand]

That's your problem, you are trying to do something advanced without knowing how to do the basics

[stiff panther]

well whips on their own are kinda useless besides just making summons attack a mob

with whip stacking they actually DO SOMETHING

[young yew]

Dude I have over 1K hours and I don’t whip stack. Your poorly-dodging ass should be focusing on mobility.

[viscid sand]

Lmao

[spark tendon]

Most minions do fine without whipstacking

[spiral sage]

💀

[manic glacier]

ain't true

[rapid dawn]

i never realized the change to some of the weapons in 1.4.4, i did expert boc with rotted fork and pumpkin set somehow

just stood there and spammed left click

[viscid sand]

Obviously never played summoner, or seen a summoner playthrough

[stiff panther]

my best summon is literally blade staff, im only DOING pumpkin moons to actually get the raven staff

[hybrid spruce]

Whip stacking is useful with summons (Y’know? For the class they’re meant for?)

I don’t wanna be personal, this isn’t rocket science

[young yew]

I failed Master BoC with the Terragrim

Thrice

[spiral sage]

Solo summoner is actual hell without whips

[hybrid spruce]

Blade staff literally rocks wtf

[manic glacier]

do you know how to use blade

[young yew]

He called Sanguine and Xeno trash

He knows nothing

[manic glacier]

cause blade is a favorite for many summoner players

[stiff panther]

it sucks when you're all the way in post golem

[hybrid spruce]

[manic glacier]

sanguine was nerfed because it was too good lol

[spark tendon]

Yeah, blade staff practically requires whip stacking to be good

[manic glacier]

xeno is better now

[viscid sand]

You are past the point of it being useful and you aren't built for blade staff. Blade Staff heavily depends on Sharktooth necklace, stinger necklace, and Ichor flasks

[rapid dawn]

damn

[manic glacier]

again, not true

[spark tendon]

And it falls off post plant

[young yew]

Maybe go back to normal because you obviously can’t handle expert.

[rapid dawn]

idk how to make good builds so i just use npc prisons all the time

and its cheap

[manic glacier]

non-summoner players will use a single blade staff summon and call it bad

[rapid dawn]

i hate building ngl

[young yew]

I import stuff with TEdit

[spark tendon]

Well, it it still viable without whip stacking, it can kill things

[hybrid spruce]

I’ve gotten better at making builds

[stiff panther]

sadly it's my best summon, and i already said im only doing the pumpkin moon to get raven staff

[spiral sage]

Not really you can use just a durandal and a icour flash and have it preformed pretty well tbh

[spark tendon]

But to kill things fast you kinda have to whip stack

[manic glacier]

and AP items

[manic glacier]

not at all

[spiral sage]

True ig

[spark tendon]

Try to get a deadly sphere

[young yew]

How about you use Summoner armor and use your Summons against the Dreadnautilus to get a good Summoner weapon

[manic glacier]

you don't really use it for normal enemies

[stiff panther]

without whip stacking it takes an unreal amount of time to kill bosses

[spiral sage]

Get the desert tiger

[manic glacier]

mostly Bosses, still does good against average foes though

[rapid dawn]

fr after doing a full summoner playthrough blade staff worked for a while until i got sanguine

[stiff panther]

i.. dont even know how to get that

[manic glacier]

youre just bad

[young yew]

Wiki.

[spiral sage]

Eclips

[viscid sand]

Go hang out in the desert until you can get a key, desert tiger is amazing

[merry bough]

As someone who's never done a summoner run, I know that I don't know enough to talk about summoner weapons. More non summoners should...

[hybrid spruce]

Take a guess.
||Deadly spheres in solar eclipses||

[rapid dawn]

summoner is fun but did obsidian set get nerfed again in 1.4.4

[young yew]

Yep

Deserved nerf

[spark tendon]

Desert tiger and deadly sphere are easy to get summons and they actually performs well in 1.4.4

You can look them up in the wiki

[young yew]

That shit was broken

[stiff panther]

it doesnt take a good player to tell you that summoner without whip stacking takes forever to beat

[viscid sand]

But other armors finally got whip buffs

[spark tendon]

They did buff tiki

[spiral sage]

I just farmed king slime and bloodmoons for desert key took like an hour

[young yew]

No it takes forever because your setup is shit

[manic glacier]

I beat summoner MM, you cant beat expert Mini Bosses

yeah you just are anti-optimizing

"whips are for summoners, so I'll use a whip and no summons"

???

[young yew]

If I never whip stacked ONCE and breezed through MM Summoner you have no excuse

[spark tendon]

No, there are several combos that don't require whip stack at all

[rapid dawn]

i was summoner in my last playthrough with a melee and range, and from pre hardmode until a bit into hardmode i did the most dps

[manic glacier]

literally had no idea it existed until this week

[merry bough]

You refuse to listen to the advice of people that actually know what they're talking about. Because button pressing hard. @stiff panther

[zenith stratus]

@stiff panther

[rapid dawn]

summoner was insane

[spiral sage]

Tbf my MM summoner run is like 100h so I can relate to the struggle but I barley use whip stacking at all

[viscid sand]

No idea how he got to golem like this

[young yew]

Godmode

[manic glacier]

is he in journey mode

[zenith stratus]

i turned it off :)

[young yew]

It’s a testament to how bad of a boss Golem is

[spark tendon]

Summoner actually does a lot of damage if you know what you are doing

[viscid sand]

But golem is the thing he can't beat lol

[stiff panther]

you can blame baconfry for the armor suggestion, not me

[spiral sage]

I'm so shit at golem in specific and I don't know why

[hybrid spruce]

I forgot obelisks existed and though you fought during celestial events

[young yew]

No we blame you 100%

[manic glacier]

the tiny room

[hybrid spruce]

you have no one to blame but yourself </3

[spark tendon]

Baconfry actually knows what they are doing

[zenith stratus]

I am indeed in journey, but I can show that I am not in god mode if needed

[spark tendon]

They took time to optimize their setup

[manic glacier]

what a statement

[young yew]

I wasn’t talking about you fam

[viscid sand]

And you didn't care to listen to anyone trying to tell you how to build better so you only have yourself to blame here

[zenith stratus]

gotchu

[young yew]

Baconfry could probably take that exact setup and smack Golem and Pumpkin Moon

[hybrid spruce]

They messed up so bad that they’re in both a state of shock and denial

[young yew]

Cognitive dissonance

[manic glacier]

this is so funny

[zenith stratus]

I kinda wanna do summoner whips only now

[rapid dawn]

wait what setup tf i missed

[young yew]

They’re using the worst “summoner” setup I’ve ever seen

[manic glacier]

no

[zenith stratus]

the set up in question

[young yew]

Turtle Armor, like one Blade summon and no mobility accessories

[manic glacier]

what is their full setup

[viscid sand]

I did it, but it was back when obsidian was 50%-50%

[manic glacier]

what is that

[stiff panther]

they were the one that suggested this abomination..

[young yew]

^ this set

[rapid dawn]

no it doesn't just get good

[spiral sage]

[rapid dawn]

ngl

[hybrid spruce]

What’s the point of the shield at this point if their insistence is on broom

[young yew]

Where are the wings

[zenith stratus]

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YOU WERE DEFENDING THIS SO HARD

[rapid dawn]

tf is that💀

[spiral sage]

In what univers for a summoner run ...

[spark tendon]

Why are you still using boots?

[stiff panther]

golem.

[hybrid spruce]

And the boots too

[stiff panther]

its significantly harder to dodge using the witches broom in golem's arena than the boots

[young yew]

I’m almost starting to think he’s trolling

Nobody’s this bad

[viscid sand]

Decided to use broom cause i said so, and wont go back even after I said it's probably not for him

[spark tendon]

That's true

[teal nest]

Full tank feels like a weird strat but if you are gonna do it something like a paladin shield or ice turtle shell would be better than shield

[spark tendon]

Use unicorn

[zenith stratus]

It is definitely hard to dodge WHILE using the broom, you'll need to unmount before you can use the dodge

[stiff panther]

i replaced them with the scroll

[manic glacier]

why

[young yew]

Oh my fucking-

[stiff panther]

legit 3 people told me to before this whole argument

[lunar cobalt]

what is going on?

[zenith stratus]

I said it because I didn't know you were still fighting golem in the temple

[viscid sand]

Cause I said to before I knew how bad he was at dodging and I suggested broom, he won't even listen to me about going back to wings

[brittle shadow]

ur mum

[hybrid spruce]

Okay this is genuinely hilarious god

[stiff panther]

im not, i already killed him

[manic glacier]

oh lol

[lunar cobalt]

ok ofc someone says that

[stiff panther]

AFTER using the suggested set baconfr gave me

[young yew]

Use Spooky armor. Replace the Worm Scarf with a pair of wings. Keep the Scroll, Necklace and Summoner Emblem.

[brittle shadow]

goddem

[stiff panther]

why not spooky or tiki armor?

[zenith stratus]

bc you can't dodge

[manic glacier]

because you need the buff

[hybrid spruce]

Because you’re so bad at dodging </3

[young yew]

Was unaware you even had enough spooky wood for that.

[viscid sand]

Maybe you should play summoner like a normal person before you start trying advanced strategies you aren't ready for.

[spark tendon]

Spooky if you can get it and then live while using it

[stiff panther]

the hallowed armor doesn't really help, i've tried using it

[young yew]

Use actual summons.

[rapid dawn]

because you cant seem to dodge

[zenith stratus]

I believe you

[rapid dawn]

just get good lmao

[young yew]

Ditch the mismatched Melee armor bullshit

Use a real summoner set

[rapid dawn]

mad skill issue ngl

[spark tendon]

If you really can't dodge you can get the OOA armors, although your damage would probably not be good

[young yew]

Use the setup I gave you

If you want to get better you’ll listen to me.

[stiff panther]

after the solar eclipse that just happened naturally

[viscid sand]

You tried using it while face tanking, you haven't tried using it with a proper mobility setup

[manic glacier]

i think its crazy they nerfed pumpking and buffed those trees

[hybrid spruce]

They’re just being silly 😭

[stiff panther]

i wasn't facetanking? i was actually still trying to dodge

[young yew]

I give up

[spiral sage]

Legit 65% of summoner is dodging

[young yew]

I hate this

[stiff panther]

dude waht, i literally said i was going to put on the spooky armor after the solar eclipse

[young yew]

Are you going to use the setup I recommended?

[stiff panther]

i.. dont remember it

[spiral sage]

Please just get better at dodging

[teal nest]

[stiff panther]

thats not something you can just say to someone and expect it to happen during one playthrough

[young yew]

^

[true dragon]

What role is Classic Red?

Wrong Discord mb

[hybrid spruce]

[young yew]

Use either the Durendal or Dark Harvest if you already have it

Get a Deadly Sphere staff from the Eclipse

[zenith stratus]

dark harvest is nice asf

[viscid sand]

You were trying to dodge without a good setup for making dodging easy. So you were face tanking cause of a lack of mobility. See how that works? Maybe actually pay attention to things people say and think about how it actually works. If you move faster you can dodge easier, if you can dodge easier you get hit less, if you get hit less the hallow armor will be more effective for the few time you do get hit and you get hit even less still

[spark tendon]

But you can get better

I would say I discarded about 10% of my skill issue after playing summoner

[spiral sage]

You are refusing to practice dodging you've already decided (I can't do this) because it's ur first playthrough just get better my dude

[young yew]

Look man you have the potential to be good at the game but you have to take the advice being literally thrown at you

[spiral sage]

Trust it really isn't hard

[young yew]

In all fairness practice is what makes someone good at dodging

He just needs practice

[viscid sand]

Practicing dodging is easier with stacking a ton of movement accessories, as you get better you won't need them as much

[stiff panther]

i practice dodging by fighting almost anything, and you already said it was my first playthrough

course im gonna be bad at it

[young yew]

Attempt feeding is probably the way to go in your case

Just keep trying until you figure it out

If you want to completely remove your skill issue

[viscid sand]

Then make it easier to do so it's easier to practice.

[young yew]

Play Calamity

Community sucks but it makes you a dodging god

[spark tendon]

Your first playthrough and you decided to play summoner of all things

[young yew]

(I’m not recommending this to him, just in general)

[spark tendon]

The class with possibly the highest skill ceiling

[stiff panther]

my first SUMMONER playthrough, i've done melee and ranger before this

[zenith stratus]

imo the easiest way to practice is to do journey mode, gives you god mode if you wanna study the pattern/recover health and you have infinite summons

[viscid sand]

In classic

[zenith stratus]

can I see your ranger build?

[young yew]

After beating Supreme Calamari in Revengeance you can dodge any vanilla boss

[hybrid spruce]

Bro prolly has spooky armor in that one 💀

[obsidian iron]

does anyone have a spare obsidian rose I can have or perhaps trade for?

[viscid sand]

Download an item world

[hybrid spruce]

I’ve never seen someone goof up so bad that it’s genuinely amusing to watch

[obsidian iron]

how do I do that?

[young yew]

I think I have one and you can have it for free, the catch it I’m about to go to bed.

[viscid sand]

Steam workshop

[obsidian iron]

u not online in terraria atm?

[young yew]

No

[zenith stratus]

no you see, the radar is the hidden ranger tech bc while the enemies are off screen you still know they haven't despawned

[young yew]

I specifically remember having an extra

[manic glacier]

does it? why

[young yew]

It’s fucking Touhou but Terraria

[manic glacier]

oh

[spark tendon]

Community and devs reject all vanilla stuff

[manic glacier]

I hate that

[spark tendon]

Good in vanilla = bad in calamity

[manic glacier]

i love calamity but

[young yew]

It’s hard as hell but rewarding to finally beat a boss

[zenith stratus]

A lot of calamity people I've met are elitists, think calamity is better than anything

[young yew]

Yharon and Supreme Calamitas always give me the most trouble

[manic glacier]

when people reject vanilla as bad juat cause a mod has more stuff

thats just stupid

[stiff panther]

well i got the last ingredient for terrablade atleast

[manic glacier]

I prefer vanilla but I still love calamity

[spark tendon]

To be fair calamity is the best terraria mod I have knowledge of

[manic glacier]

thats true

[viscid sand]

Grats switch to melee you are over half way there already

[manic glacier]

Thorium is fun

[spark tendon]

And I think the direction they are taking the mod is good

[hybrid spruce]

good whip in my opinion

[stiff panther]

true

[manic glacier]

Terrawhip

[young yew]

Terra Blade is cracked as fucc

[manic glacier]

we need more whips and summons

[young yew]

Provided you use a full Melee Speed build

[manic glacier]

theres nothing really

[spark tendon]

Moon lord whip wen/

[viscid sand]

Imagine playing ranged, using mage armor and deciding only shooting in the opposite direction was optional.

[young yew]

Tentacles

[stiff panther]

ok now i want a whip that hits multiple times in one

like a multiwhip

[manic glacier]

I want Zenith-type items with every class

[young yew]

Shockwave whip

[manic glacier]

they already hit multiple times, but ik what you mean

[young yew]

I want Ranger to have an endgame weapon that pierces

[rapid dawn]

zenith whip when

[obsidian iron]

If I subscribed on something in workshop, how do I play it or how to phrase it

[young yew]

Really the only thing holding it back

[stiff panther]

like, three... whip heads? idk

[zenith stratus]

I think I know of a certain whip that has split ends

[manic glacier]

that Indian whip that has blades

they should add that

[weak haven]

who are you trying to make fun of with this comment

[young yew]

Cat o’ nine tails?

[manic glacier]

cool sniper weapon

[viscid sand]

High velocity bullets

[manic glacier]

hes making fun of you, fight back

[spark tendon]

Anyway just got terraspark

[young yew]

No I want infinite inherent piercing

[stiff panther]

the zenith and solar eruption are both whips and you can't tell me otherwise

[rapid dawn]

ayy nice

[spark tendon]

I can finally stop dying to 200 damage lava

[young yew]

Zenith is a Boomerang.

[viscid sand]

The noob you told to use an advanced strategy before he knew how to actually play the class

[viscid sand]

[manic glacier]

it really is, never thought of it that way

[young yew]

Zenith is quite literally a Boomerang, game files don’t lie.

[weak haven]

what can I say? the strategy worked against golem while the "meta" glass cannon full spooky strategy didn't

[young yew]

You recommended it to probably the most inept person possible

[manic glacier]

isnt every(?) weapon a projectile too?

spears are projectiles

so are swords

[weak haven]

when i test these defensive builds, i play like ass on purpose

[manic glacier]

its the best way to program these weapon types

[young yew]

You didn’t play as ass as you thought

[weak haven]

much better than recommending a glass cannon buiild and telling people to just learn how to dodge

[young yew]

Ah so you read absolutely nothing

[zenith stratus]

I don't think the swords themselves are projectiles. They can shoot projectiles

[manic glacier]

Summoner is glass cannon, I lovw it

[manic glacier]

in the files they are

[weak haven]

here is a video of me killing master mode queen slime with a defensive build while grappled in place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB-Mqtx5sz8

[viscid sand]

The suggestion to make an arena outside the dungeon and rod of discord to it is probably more helpful to a noob that can't dodge. More open space for easier dodging.

[young yew]

And yet the dude still dies to Golem

[zenith stratus]

not mechanically or you'd get hit by mimic reflect

[manic glacier]

that's true

[young yew]

We aren’t blaming you for the ineptitude but damn you could’ve recommended something else

[weak haven]

it was based on pure mathematics

it was more realistic to reduce the damage taken by half than to increase the damage dealt by 2x

[stiff panther]

god the solar eclipse is hard

when does it end

[young yew]

7:30 PM

[zenith stratus]

at night

[stiff panther]

i,, dont have a watch

[manic glacier]

how

[zenith stratus]

when the sun goes down

[viscid sand]

When you touch a sun or moon dial

[young yew]

Might wanna craft one

[manic glacier]

i love the dial changes

[zenith stratus]

dials have become such a blessing

[warm spindle]

thats really cool!

[stiff panther]

actually i think i can sleep through it, i think there are so many enemies in my water pit that no more can spawn

[young yew]

I never got a dial to drop

[young yew]

You can’t sleep through it

Nor can you sleep through a blood moon

[viscid sand]

Dials resetting on every event is BEST CHANGE EVER. Is what I would say... If they didn't ADD A SECOND DIAL

[young yew]

Have you gotten the Deadly Sphere staff?

[manic glacier]

what do you guys think is the biggest glass cannon set up

[stiff panther]

ok well dial it is

[viscid sand]

[stiff panther]

nnnno i havent looked it up yet

[young yew]

You get it from the Eclipse

[viscid sand]

It's from the solar eclipse

[young yew]

From Deadly Spheres

[viscid sand]

But you need to kill golem

[weak haven]

hallowed headgear + dark artist robes and leggings

[young yew]

O shit

[weak haven]

i got my terraprisma with that set and arcanum

[manic glacier]

is that optimal for mage?

[weak haven]

for burst damage yes

[young yew]

You don’t fight daytime Empress on-tier?

[manic glacier]

ohhh

i never play mage

[weak haven]

terraprisma is on the same level of power as pillar weapons so i don't mind waiting

[manic glacier]

haven't played it since 1.1

[viscid sand]

@stiff panther seriously consider a berserker glove, it can give you 12 defense and greatly increases whip speed

[young yew]

I actually don’t like Mage

I tried it, great DPS and all but it’s not for me

[stiff panther]

is the "enemies more likely to target you" a multiplayer thing?

also i think thats crimson only..

[manic glacier]

no

[young yew]

Ahhh you’re corruption?

[manic glacier]

aggro range

[stiff panther]

yeah

[young yew]

F

No glove 4u

[stiff panther]

every world i have ever made, all corruption

[zenith stratus]

can still get it

[young yew]

Still it can work I guess

[zenith stratus]

You can make an artificial underground crimson

[weak haven]

just ask for a crimson one next time, don't go random

[viscid sand]

You can get crimson, you can buy the seeds for it from the Dryad in the graveyard. Then make a crimson arena underground and fight natural crimson mimics

[zenith stratus]

it also needs to be a blood moon

[weak haven]

tbh i think it is worth it if you want to continue using tank summoner

[stiff panther]

wowwww

[viscid sand]

No it doesn't, not for opposite evil seeds, just needs to be hard mode and in a graveyard

[manic glacier]

glass cannon summoner is my favorite

[weak haven]

until recently it was thought to be the only type of summoner that existed until v knight

[spark tendon]

Huh?

[stiff panther]

i despise nailheads so much

[zenith stratus]

got it, misread the wiki text "During a blood moon in a crimson world, or while in a graveyard in a hardmode corrupt world"

[manic glacier]

whats v knight? also same

[weak haven]

the nails that nailhead spam everywhere deal more damage than golem jumping on you

[formal pulsar]

where should i farm a compass?

[weak haven]

valhalla knight armor from tavernkeep

[stiff panther]

and they legit lock onto i swear

[manic glacier]

ohh

[viscid sand]

I thought you needed to kill golem for the tier 3 solar eclipse

🤔

Am I mistaken?

[spark tendon]

Only plantera

[viscid sand]

Oh my bad

[stiff panther]

they got so much defense, deal damage higher than golem, and just ruin your solar eclipse

even mothrons are easier to deal with than them

[viscid sand]

At least I can admit I'm wrong and be willing to improve

[zenith stratus]

cavern layer

[formal pulsar]

so crawdads?

[viscid sand]

They are the perfect thing to practice dodging on.

[stiff panther]

JEEZ GOD LOOK HOW MUCH IS DOWN HERE

THE SOLAR ECLIPSE ISNT EVEN OVER YET

[spark tendon]

Have you considered hiding behind blocks?

[zenith stratus]

crawdads, salamanders, piranhas, mother slimes

few more

[stiff panther]

that wont work, because im summoner i cant hit enemies through walls unless its a worm

[weak haven]

hey it looks like you won't have any difficulty making that graveyard biome

[spark tendon]

You can tag it and hide behind blocks if you are using blade

I think

[viscid sand]

This statement is completely ass backwards, you can hit enemies anywhere on the screen at any time as a summoner. Summon your minions near them or put down sentries

[manic glacier]

Dominick

[zenith stratus]

I'm pretty sure this works on the nailheads but if you make a platform arena that is off the ground enough that they almost fall off screen, when the pinheads spawn in or any ground enemy really, you just drop down and they'll fall to the floor and you can stay on the platforms

[manic glacier]

what

[viscid sand]

Whips only is NOT how you play summoner for your first time

[stiff panther]

whips don't hit through walls unless its an enemy that literally goes through them

they literally dont

[viscid sand]

Once again you didn't read... SUMMON MINIONS OR SENTRIES NEAR THEM

[formal pulsar]

what is the candle that reduces spawn rate? the crystal one?

[stiff panther]

aw after all that, no deadly sphere staff

[zenith stratus]

peaceful

[formal pulsar]

ty

[viscid sand]

@stiff panther whips aren't your only weapons you can use, use MINIONS AND SENTRIES

How many times do people have to say it?

[stiff panther]

i am i just cant get sentries because old ones army is actually quite hard to deal with

[viscid sand]

OOA isnt the only source of sentries, get a frozen key

Frost Hydra will SLAP

Spider queen staff if nothing else

[stiff panther]

also uhh, how do i get a moon charm, i got everything for a celestial shell BUT that

[zenith stratus]

secret summoner strategy

[zenith stratus]

werewolves

[stiff panther]

ugh

[viscid sand]

Look at your moon, on full moons for werewolf hunting

If you do fishing quests you can get a sextant

That tells you moon phase

[stiff panther]

should i put this on?

[viscid sand]

@stiff panther say are you using any potions? Potions made from fishing are the most OP part of the game, and flasks are amazing for whips

[stiff panther]

cuz i see damage melee speed, life regen, defense, and minion knockback

all good for me

[stiff panther]

i've got ironskin potions, swiftness potions, ichor flasks, and cursed flame flasks

• bbq ribs and coffee

alr finally, this better?

[viscid sand]

You should make potions from fish
+10% more damage
+10% more crit
+10% damage reduction
+20% more HP
A GIANT CIRCLE OF FIRE THAT DAMAGES ANYTHING NEAR YOU

[young yew]

I approve 👍

[weak haven]

screw lava fishing

1 bite per 2 minutes? fuck off

[viscid sand]

Lmao get better fishing gear

[zenith stratus]

I had much better rates than that

[stiff panther]

i dont... think crit chance is useful though, last i checked summons dont do critical hits at all

[young yew]

If you read the wiki you’d know that all you need is either the Hotline Hook and the Lava-Proof Fishing hook or the Lava Hook and Hell Bait

You get bites just as frequent as normal fishing

[weak haven]

"all you need"

[young yew]

It’s either a rod and an accessory or an accessory and bait

[stiff panther]

thats quite a lot

[weak haven]

as if it's a trivial amount of effort

[young yew]

It really is

[viscid sand]

Imagine doing lava fishing before having max fishing build with base like 145 fishing power

[young yew]

I did it to get the hook and fish faster

[stiff panther]

i've been using a wood fishing rod all this time... this is probably why i never got dreadnautilus

[young yew]

Didn’t even need the lava loot

[zenith stratus]

uh yeah, might need to upgrade... a bit

[young yew]

I still have an extra Lava Charm

[stiff panther]

also i completely forgot about ageis fruit...

i think its the only buff i DIDNT shimmer...

[viscid sand]

You should explore the jungle and get a fiberglass fishing pole, then do 30 fishing quests

[young yew]

You got the Galaxy Pearl?

[stiff panther]

oh not that

i forget a lot of the buff things

[zenith stratus]

mechanics rod is better tho

[stiff panther]

im not doing 30 fishing quests heck no-

[young yew]

I got the Golden Rod completely by accident

Angler’s been good to me

If I ever get the Hotline Hook I’ll lose my shit because I’ve never gotten it legitimately

[stiff panther]

he still getting the lava pit dealth penalty though, right?

[zenith stratus]

angler has been a pain to get the 3rd fishing accessory

[viscid sand]

You should, it gets you the best fishing pole and all the fishing armor, you can fish Soo much faster and get better stuff with fishing and make some of those super OP potions very easily

[young yew]

As soon as I get the Hotline Hook I’m destroying him

[weak haven]

at least buy the rod from the mechanic or something

[stiff panther]

i remember i couldnt get the cell phone because of course it needed me to fish

AND it was luck based

and that was legit all i needed

[zenith stratus]

thankfully you can shimmer duplicates

[young yew]

You can use the save trick to get the drop you want

Turn off autosave, save and exit

[stiff panther]

i actually never done a single fishing quest in my life..

[zenith stratus]

isn't it just exit?

[young yew]

Go back into the world and turn in the fish

[zenith stratus]

oh okay

[young yew]

If you don’t get what you want close the game

[viscid sand]

Fishing quests and fishing in general are the most overpowered part of the game. If you aren't fishing you are leaving a TON of power untapped

[young yew]

Rinse and repeat

[stiff panther]

anything i should replace with the celestial stone? i see a lot of buffs it gives thats useful for me

[zenith stratus]

boots..

[viscid sand]

You already said you hate dashing so remove the shield

[stiff panther]

im keeping the boots

anything but the boots

[viscid geyser]

Shield

[stiff panther]

alr

[earnest silo]

What is the top accessory?

[zenith stratus]

insane picl

pick*

[young yew]

Ahhh I can’t imagine playing without dash

[spark tendon]

Probably the necklace

[viscid sand]

Frog leg

[stiff panther]

they are wings

oops

didnt mean to send a screenshot

[stiff panther]

uhhhh.... no

[zenith stratus]

spooky wings

[stiff panther]

i need the summons

[viscid geyser]

You need wings and boots?

[stiff panther]

yeah.. everyone kinda does

[spark tendon]

Mobility is important

[young yew]

Get a Hercules Beetle and craft the Papyrus Scarab

[zenith stratus]

who is everyone?

[young yew]

Then get another Scroll

[stiff panther]

me when

[spark tendon]

More important than damage I'd say

[young yew]

Get another scroll

[spark tendon]

Me when poor

[young yew]

Replace the necklace

[viscid sand]

@stiff panther replace the boots with amphibian boots, you still run fast AND you fly faster

[stiff panther]

but iwould have to fish for that...

and god am i not ready for fishing

[zenith stratus]

frog legs are an incredibly ez drop

[stiff panther]

chance?

[young yew]

Idk but I get them all the time

I don’t even want them but I keep fishing ‘em up

[viscid sand]

I told you, fishing is the most OP part of the game, go into the jungle for a fishing pole or buy one from the mechanic or traveling merchant

[zenith stratus]

I can't do the math rn, just get the mechanical rod n some worms. You should get it ez

[stiff panther]

uhh... shee isnt selling any..

[zenith stratus]

she sells it depending on the moon phase

[viscid sand]

She only sells it during specific moon phases

[stiff panther]

of course she does :(

[viscid sand]

Which is why I said search the jungle

[zenith stratus]

as long as its not a full moon or a new moon she will sell it

[stiff panther]

j e s u s c h r i s t

yeah no i wont be getting that anytime soon

[zenith stratus]

that's def not true

[spark tendon]

What

[zenith stratus]

it's way easier than that

[viscid sand]

SONAR POTIONS

[spark tendon]

That is probably true

[spark tendon]

May as well fish for some potion ingredients fish

[viscid sand]

If you fish like this you will definitely have a few frog legs

[spark tendon]

Summoning, wrath, endurance and lifeforce potions will help significantly

[stiff panther]

i have a very limited about of bait and criters do not like spawning :)

[weak haven]

you weren't using summoning potions??

[stiff panther]

nnno

[spark tendon]

When you are above a certain amount of fishing power you kinda naturally get bait back

[stiff panther]

purely bewitching table and gear

[viscid sand]

Then do fishing quests and get more bait

You can get hundreds of master bait

Fish for crates once you have good fishing gear and BAM even more bait

[stiff panther]

oh ok

[viscid sand]

Bait is self-sustaining if you do quests and crates

[zenith stratus]

hell ye, fishin brother

[viscid sand]

Now you are playing summoner

[humble lion]

Jungle critters are good as well

[viscid sand]

[weak haven]

i get bait from breaking jungle bushes mainly

[humble lion]

Lava critters are also fairly decent

[zenith stratus]

I sold a lot of em tho

[formal pulsar]

im convinced compasses are an UR drop

[humble lion]

That is, if you find yourself running out of bait

[stiff panther]

this dude stole the house i built for witch doctor :(

only witch doctor deserves the gold furniture >:(

[viscid sand]

He deserves it

[humble lion]

https://tenor.com/view/sheev-palpatine-emperor-chancellor-kill-him-now-gif-14424446

[weak haven]

guess what has higher DPS, flameburst staff or queen spider staff

[viscid sand]

Angler is the top NPC, his personality sucks, but he gives the most important stuff

[formal pulsar]

wrong, angler, steampunker and dryad deserve the love

[stiff panther]

yeah but no bewitching table

automatically bad npcs

[zenith stratus]

has to be spiderqueen right bc the venom n the baby spiders?

[stiff panther]

[viscid sand]

You can fish for summoning potion, that's like bewitching table, so Angler good

[formal pulsar]

yeah but no sex-tant

[weak haven]

yes but venom is not the reason

[zenith stratus]

just the baby spiders?

[weak haven]

yep

[zenith stratus]

makes sense

[stiff panther]

bro i odnt wanna fight this thing

i dont even get anything useful from it

[weak haven]

flameburst is just pathetic

[cinder chasm]

would throwing a flesh knuckle in shimer swap it to putrid scent?

[zenith stratus]

no :(

[cinder chasm]

PAInnn

[weak haven]

it ties with ballista for single target but at least ballista is realistically likely to pierce something, and vknight set bonus actually increases its DPS

[cinder chasm]

i dont wanna go in to a corupt hardmode...

[viscid sand]

Angler makes the most OP part of the game easier, gets you the Cellphone/Shellphone, gives a mount, and infinite buckets and sponges. Angler is top NPC, if you deny that you are deep in denial

[warm spindle]

but fishing takes too much time

[cinder chasm]

🧢

[spark tendon]

Me when 128 frost minnow

[stiff panther]

witch doctor better

no proof needed

[cinder chasm]

is in denile

[formal pulsar]

nah, its easy with the three potions and accessories he gives you, just make a loadout with all that

[weak haven]

i never understand why people defend flameburst for any reason

[warm spindle]

with the potions yes it is a lot easier

[zenith stratus]

fishing for ice skates

[warm spindle]

but still it takes forever for me to get a quest fish

[spark tendon]

Depends on rng

[formal pulsar]

probs not deep enough biome lakes

[warm spindle]

i have the zenith but i still haven't finished 20 quests

[spark tendon]

You can potentially spend all day fishing but not get the quest fish

[zenith stratus]

took me about 30 boreal crates before i got ice skates

[cinder chasm]

i feel you....

[warm spindle]

i guess im just lazy

[viscid sand]

I would have gone insane in the Zenith seed without fishing

[spark tendon]

^

[formal pulsar]

aaaaaaa ice skates i hate the

them

[stiff panther]

my current motivation to "fight this thing" is increasing

[zenith stratus]

very good accessory set

[viscid sand]

If you fight them in the ocean they drop more maps for fighting them infinitely

Super good source of money

[zenith stratus]

can you fight em in the ocean?

[spark tendon]

Provided you don't die

[formal pulsar]

finally got a compass on an increased spawn potion, water candle and blood moon, oof

[viscid sand]

If you have a town there and lock your NPCs in their houses with blocks, yes

[stiff panther]

ooo yummy

[zenith stratus]

"The Pirate Invasion is a Hardmode event where pirate-themed enemies spawn and swarm the world's original spawn point"

you could maybe lead em to the ocean on a small world

[viscid sand]

You can fight them anywhere you have a town

Trust me, I do it all the time

[zenith stratus]

I always thought they were center

[spark tendon]

Noice, the worse hardmode summon

[cinder chasm]

fished for iceskates... did it 3 times

[stiff panther]

worse than blade staff?

[zenith stratus]

blade staff is incredibly op

[spark tendon]

Much

Its AI is pretty bad

[viscid sand]

Blade Staff is amazing, you just use it wrong.

[stiff panther]

darn that means i have to do more pumpkin moons for raven staff...

[vagrant fable]

when should i fight the eye of Cthulhu

[warm spindle]

maybe after you get some basic armor

[spark tendon]

Whenever you think you can fight him

[vagrant fable]

ok

[zenith stratus]

Would you look at that, don't even need a house

[cinder chasm]

ehhhh for what its worth i rather take on the dreadnotlis for its summon weapon

[spark tendon]

Maybe when you have some movement accessories

[spark tendon]

Sanguine staff got nerfed

[formal pulsar]

what do you think is the best biome chest?

[cinder chasm]

fr?

[zenith stratus]

corruption or snow

[viscid sand]

Blade Staff is amazing with sharktooth necklace and stinger necklace as the armor penetration of each is more valuable than all menacing accessories for them

[spark tendon]

In terms of loot?

[zenith stratus]

I prefer ice biome chest

hydra is nice

[formal pulsar]

id say either ice or jungle, for early summoner

[zenith stratus]

jungle?

[formal pulsar]

the tiger

[viscid sand]

Desert

[zenith stratus]

tiger is desert

[spark tendon]

That's tiger

[viscid sand]

Jungle is ranger

[zenith stratus]

the piranha gun is jungle

[formal pulsar]

OK OK I AM MISTAKEN

[weak haven]

crimson, not even close

[warm spindle]

why is there no dungeon chests in my large world

is it that i haven't checked enough?

[zenith stratus]

vamp knives still good?

[viscid sand]

Vampire Knives are overrated

[spark tendon]

I like crimson and desert chest in terms of loot

[weak haven]

the only way to lose is to die, vamp knives make you not die

[warm spindle]

ive checked the map but there is only the jungle chest in my world

[weak haven]

it's like godmode outside of journey mode

[humble lion]

They were nerfed a bit but are still good

[zenith stratus]

carry a dangersense potion, it'll exposed cracked walls which leads to more dungeon

[weak haven]

there's a reason why moon lord specifically stops lifesteal

[zenith stratus]

a bit??

[spark tendon]

Check for crumbling walls

[zenith stratus]

they were nerfed more than my precious stormbow

[weak haven]

dps was never the main reason to use vamp knives anyways

[viscid sand]

Drink a dangersense potion so see hidden paths

[humble lion]

How badly was the healing destroyed

[spark tendon]

When did vampire knives get nerfed?

[humble lion]

1.4.4

[cinder chasm]

optic or Sanguine

[zenith stratus]

a lot

[humble lion]

Sanguine

[viscid sand]

When they were released they got nerfed harder than obsidian armor

[weak haven]

only the damage was nerfed

[spark tendon]

I'd say they are tied

[weak haven]

who cares about the damage

[stiff panther]

should i attempt EOL with my current setup?

[humble lion]

Sure why not

[hybrid spruce]

Empress is all about dodging

I got some news for you..

[weak haven]

vamp knives are basically like chugging a greater healing potion every 5 seconds

[formal pulsar]

do you have a flying mount? or master ninja gear?

[viscid sand]

The life steal of the vampire knives are even further nerfed in FTW

[zenith stratus]

they nerfed the regen "Desktop 1.2.2: Items which regenerate health per hit now have a cap of 2 hearts per second"

[stiff panther]

i got the witch broom

[hybrid spruce]

not again

[formal pulsar]

you good if you can dodge

[weak haven]

that is still a disgusting amount of healing

[humble lion]

Oh that hurts

But still that's not bad

[zenith stratus]

oh I agree

[humble lion]

That's like

[stiff panther]

[humble lion]

10 seconds to a full heal?

[zenith stratus]

I haven't ever really used em, I haven't really played melee since 1.3 first dropped

[nimble rover]

hi

[weak haven]

absolute insanity

[viscid sand]

@stiff panther consider a rod of discord for instantly getting out of the way of stuff

[stiff panther]

with all my buffs combined i should be able to kill her and get the whip though

[stiff panther]

oh yeah i have one

[spark tendon]

Vampire knives got nerfed in 1.4.4?

[stiff panther]

i just dont have the muscle memory to press 5 and dodge

[zenith stratus]

as long as it's not during the day

[spark tendon]

I don't see it in changelog

[humble lion]

Then again if TF2's taught me anything it's that a lot can change in 10 seconds

[weak haven]

no it was a long time ago

[stiff panther]

i wish you could set the rod of discord to a keybind :(