Hey, so by the time I go to bed today I want to get up a post in #victory-lore-updates about everything that we’ve uncovered about Victory Live. Before I do that, I wanna make sure I’m not missing anything and that I’m not saying anything dumb. This is the place to suggest edits & additions to this post. It will be closed after it goes up
#10-7 Lore Update Post
gaunt saffron
Starting this post by saying that a few of us had the immense pleasure of talking to Shin immediately after the show. We asked him about the narrative of the show and he responded by saying “there’s layers”. Everything I’m about to cover is only our current understanding, there are and will be complimentary and contradictory interpretations of everything, and if you are understanding it differently than what I am saying, do not be afraid to bring up your thoughts and create a discussion about your specific interpretation. The general consensus is one of many.
All parts of this will link to specific posts in #1047173752842104842 to discuss what each point is about.
One Interpretation of the Story of Victory Live
Victory Live follows Hugo, the vocalist of a band called Victory. This band attracts record labels who promised them fame & success and sell out. The record labels take the gritty and loud band and immediately sanitizes them and make them mass marketable. This causes an internal struggle within Hugo between the other person he is and the person he is expected to be by the record label. Eventually, one side wins and kills the other and Hugo has to deal with the ramifications of this decision.
#1424891878737842206, #1419921421718650910
Despite the era already being christened “Victory”, visuals during Car Crash Baby imply that the album has a different name that is also 7 characters long. There have also been appearances of eight question marks rarely in the era.
#1423933288312995881
Imperial lion records and Daedalus productions still appear within the live show. This implies the layered structure of the good faith lore continues and that layer 2 may continue to exist during the Victory Era.
#1423937739471978581, #1424460529698738268
The Hugo 2 section has had a lot of discussion so far and has a few different interpretations:
- Hugo 2 is a representation of the internal struggle within Hugo after selling out. Hugo 2 being the outgoing, happy person Imperial Records want him to be and Hugo 1 being the introverted and depressed person he actually is. There is a theory that the decision the Zine implied involves which one survives, as we do not know which version of Hugo is the one who ends up killing the other. This decision comes at the spotlight section, where Hugo 1 and 2 have their moment to shine, the theory is that whichever Hugo got the most cheers is the one who got to survive. It is believed that the mannerisms after the gunshot are consistent with Hugo 1 so it is believed he won this internal struggle
Most of the rest of discussion on Hugo 2 centers around the symbology of having 2 Hugo’s on screen in competition - This section can be understood as being about killing your past self and/or killing your future self before it can kill you
- The 2 separate beings of one person shows a disconnect with the self and emotional isolation which appears to be a theme throughout the show
- There are specific visuals within the Hugo 2 section that evoke memories of Shelter Live. There is a belief that this could be intentional and could be some sort of commentary on how much he is compared to Porter Robinson, showing he is one full person and not just the “& Madeon” of Shelter
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Spikey is the guitarist of the band. At the beginning, he is shown as being a part of the group, but as the show goes on, he appears in more negative light, almost as an antagonist and bad influence on Hugo.
#1420060088974053498
Juno Mode (who plays bass) and Red / Flamehead (who plays the drums) were also unveiled. There is not much known about them.
#1423912321625100298, #1423912409583587417
@ripe valley is making a transcription docusment for the show in #1424963479282126899
gaunt saffron
You should comment about it in here if it wasn’t obvious
tacit walrus
about it in here if it wasn’t obvious
stable estuary
I think the Shelter Live theory should be deemphasized a bit, maybe as a subset of an "Imposter Syndrome" reading of the Hugo 2 section. It's a really interesting interpretation, but ultimately I feel like it should be more... niche? I guess?
I guess my concern is with weirdos taking it as more concrete than it actually is.
gaunt saffron
I can remove it entirely tbh, that wouldn’t be part of the lore so it’s just interesting parallels more than anything
stable estuary
Btw by "Imposter Syndrome", it's basically the first take, but instead of Hugo 2 being a representation of external expectations by the Record Label/Fans/etc, it's what Hugo internally expects of himself, and feels he can no longer achieve.
stable estuary
I can remove it entirely tbh, that wouldn’t be part of the lore so it’s just int...
I dunno, i would say removing it entirely is your call. It is a really interesting interpretation of the sequence, and worth a little rumination (from my media analysis nerd POV, not in a drama/snark way). I just worry about people getting carried away ^^;
tho you'll prolly have a better sense than me on how frequented these parts of the server are and all
gaunt saffron
The Hugo 2 section has had a lot of discussion so far and has a few different interpretations:
- Hugo 2 is a representation of the internal struggle within Hugo after selling out. Hugo 2 being the outgoing, happy person Imperial Records want him to be and Hugo 1 being the introverted and depressed person he actually is. There is a theory that the decision the Zine implied involves which one survives, as we do not know which version of Hugo is the one who ends up killing the other. This decision comes at the spotlight section, where Hugo 1 and 2 have their moment to shine, the theory is that whichever Hugo got the most cheers is the one who got to survive. It is believed that the mannerisms after the gunshot are consistent with Hugo 1 so it is believed he won this internal struggle
Most of the rest of discussion on Hugo 2 centers around the symbology of having 2 Hugo’s on screen in competition - This section can be understood as being about killing your past self and/or killing your future self before it can kill you
- The 2 separate beings of one person shows a disconnect with the self and emotional isolation which appears to be a theme throughout the show
- Hugo 2 can also be seen as his internal expectations of himself, something he can no longer achieve and wishes to be longingly. Hugo 2 is the personification of his imposter syndrome.
- A minor theory, based on the observation that one of the visuals is reminiscent of Shelter Live's stage, is that the sequence could represent Hugo feeling overshadowed by Porter during the Shelter Tour.
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@stable estuary how’s this?
gaunt saffron
Starting this post by saying that a few of us had the immense pleasure of talkin...
Changed the title of this from The Story of Victory Live to One Interpretation of the Story of Victory Live
stable estuary
sorry i saw this!! im havin a think about the last bullet, but the rest is good!
uhhhh maybe "A minor theory, based on the observation that one of the visuals is reminiscent of Shelter Live's stage, is that the sequence could represent Hugo feeling overshadowed by Porter during said tour."
gaunt saffron
uhhhh maybe "A minor theory, based on the observation that one of the visuals is...
I like that
gaunt saffron
@zealous peak asking for input on that specifically since you know how Porter fans get
gaunt saffron
wait actually which part do u need input on sorry <@258738399823921152>
The part where we mention porter & shelter
gaunt saffron
Mostly worried about Porter fans getting the wrong impression
(Love them, but not as good media literacy)
zealous peak
its an interesting interpretation/theory and it is kinda what happened during shelter live at times (the opposite way happened in paris id say though lol) but i dont really know if he was thinking abt that when making it
OH right i see what u mean
hmmm
i mean idk how else it could be worded tbh LOL
gaunt saffron
its an interesting interpretation/theory and it is kinda what happened during sh...
Artist intent vs audience interpretation is a bitch sometimes, but I love the unintentional messages that can be conveyed
gaunt saffron
i mean idk how else it could be worded tbh LOL
That’s fine. Wanted to make sure with that specifically there isn’t something that’s gonna make Porter twt turn on me
zealous peak
do u think porter fans would be like offended u mean?
idk i dont think theres anything that would offend them in that sentence the way its worded rn
bc i mean when u watch the videos etc at times it does feel the crowd is a bit more hyped by porter
gaunt saffron
do u think porter fans would be like offended u mean?
Wrong impression. Nothing about this interpretation is false given what we know
And no one should be offended by it
zealous peak
theres nothing wrong imo really
if someone gets genuinely offended by this idk what to tell them lmao
gaunt saffron
Perf lol
I’m a bit scared of the Porter fandom tbh lol this is where this concern is coming from
zealous peak
yeahh thats fair i get it
gaunt saffron
Starting this post by saying that a few of us had the immense pleasure of talking to Shin immediately after the show. We asked him about the narrative of the show and he responded by saying “there’s layers”. Everything I’m about to cover is only our current understanding, there are and will be complimentary and contradictory interpretations of everything, and if you are understanding it differently than what I am saying, do not be afraid to bring up your thoughts and create a discussion about your specific interpretation. The general consensus is one of many.
All parts of this will link to specific posts in #1047173752842104842 to discuss what each point is about.
One Interpretation of the Story of Victory Live
Victory Live follows Hugo, the vocalist of a band called Victory. This band attracts record labels who promised them fame & success and sell out. The record labels take the gritty and loud band and immediately sanitizes them and make them mass marketable. This causes an internal struggle within Hugo between the other person he is and the person he is expected to be by the record label. Eventually, one side wins and kills the other and Hugo has to deal with the ramifications of this decision.
#1424891878737842206, #1419921421718650910
Despite the era already being christened “Victory”, visuals during Car Crash Baby imply that the album has a different name that is also 7 characters long. There have also been appearances of eight question marks rarely in the era.
#1423933288312995881
Imperial lion records and Daedalus productions still appear within the live show. This implies the layered structure of the good faith lore continues and that layer 2 may continue to exist during the Victory Era.
#1423937739471978581, #1424460529698738268
The Hugo 2 section has had a lot of discussion so far and has a few different interpretations:
- Hugo 2 is a representation of the internal struggle within Hugo after selling out. Hugo 2 being the outgoing, happy person Imperial Records want him to be and Hugo 1 being the introverted and depressed person he actually is. There is a theory that the decision the Zine implied involves which one survives, as we do not know which version of Hugo is the one who ends up killing the other. This decision comes at the spotlight section, where Hugo 1 and 2 have their moment to shine, the theory is that whichever Hugo got the most cheers is the one who got to survive. It is believed that the mannerisms after the gunshot are consistent with Hugo 1 so it is believed he won this internal struggle
Most of the rest of discussion on Hugo 2 centers around the symbology of having 2 Hugo’s on screen in competition - This section can be understood as being about killing your past self and/or killing your future self before it can kill you
- The 2 separate beings of one person shows a disconnect with the self and emotional isolation which appears to be a theme throughout the show
- Hugo 2 can also be seen as his internal expectations of himself, something he can no longer achieve and wishes to be longingly. Hugo 2 is the personification of his imposter syndrome.
- A minor theory, based on the observation that one of the visuals is reminiscent of Shelter Live's stage, is that the sequence could represent Hugo feeling overshadowed by Porter during the Shelter Tour.
#1423913350101995553
Spikey is the guitarist of the band. At the beginning, he is shown as being a part of the group, but as the show goes on, he appears in more negative light, almost as an antagonist and bad influence on Hugo.
#1420060088974053498
Juno Mode (who plays bass) and Red / Flamehead (who plays the drums) were also unveiled. There is not much known about them.
#1423912321625100298, #1423912409583587417
@ripe valley is making a transcription docusment for the show in #1424963479282126899
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