Server name change

[cerulean slate]

Bro is interjecting for a moment

[lapis bloom]

no, everyone knows gnu is involved
makes us look like we take it to extreme levels

[wintry fulcrum]

it is not really correct, and not related to this discord server,
distribution name is actually "Gentoo Linux" as it's currently named, it could be whatever like "Gentoo is Fun" but current one was made long ago and not related to this particular discord

[heady depot]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

[copper musk]

Everyone is calling it Gentoo Linux, giving the server a more technical name really not worth it imo.

Also you can kinda try to un-GNU Linux

[heady depot]

but let's be truthful : Linux is an OS. And OS != distribution . Accept the Linus Torvald's authority.

and you can largely un-GNU a distro, as tomas said

[copper musk]

GNU is technically an option but Linux kernel is essential. That’s why people call it “Gentoo Linux” and not “Gentoo GNU/Linux”, GNU part still can be switched and changed around

[honest blade]

I do not think it is adequate since this is in gentoo.org

and userspace is way much more than only gnu, there are many projects that are not credited under the current name even if adding gnu.

[honest blade]

From my point of view Linux kernel is not an operative system by itself that said, but there is not a central authority that can take claim of the entire userspace which I think is the real operative system, also the scope varies with the distribution in what is OS and what isn't so probably the distribution being the operative system is the most correct thing to me. Although it misrepresent the part developers of components play in the OS so not the best solution forever.

[terse lantern]

Linux isn’t an OS, Linux is a kernel

[heady depot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system#Definition_and_purpose

An operating system is difficult to define,[6] but has been called "the layer of software that manages a computer's resources for its users and their applications".[7] Operating systems include the software that is always running, called a kernel—but can include other software as well.[6][8] The two other types of programs that can run on a computer are system programs—which are associated with the operating system, but may not be part of the kernel—and applications—all other software.

so, you are right, but from another perspective I'm right too.

[copper musk]

I mean you can just say Linux is an Operating System imo

[terse lantern]

Idk about that,you can’t just use it as an OS. Linux is a kernel, you can’t use kernel by itself like if it were a distro or an OS

[terse lantern]

Gonna take a look at it

[terse lantern]

Ig what they mentioned is that the kernel is one of the components of an OS. But correct me if I didn’t get it right

[lapis bloom]

so what makes windows and freebsd OSes?

linux becomes an OS when you put a desktop on it

[terse lantern]

Windows is an OS, not a kernel

The kernel of windows it’s called Windows NT Kernel

[terse lantern]

Not really, you can have an OS full CLI (command line interface, the terminal alone basically)

Linux is part of the OS, not the OS itself

It is a component as well as the shell

[lapis bloom]

yes but i'm asking you what would make it an OS

my perception of it is when you put plasma on it for example

[terse lantern]

Having the following:

Bootloader
Init system
File system
Network management
Shell
Package manager

Also you can have a minimal one without package manager or network manager

[lapis bloom]

in short still linux as a summary so that people don't get confused

[terse lantern]

So extremely necessary:
bootloader
init system
File sysmte
And she’ll

Shell*

[terse lantern]

Yep basically

[lapis bloom]

it's an operating system kernel, no sense in just calling it a kernel alone since a lot of the software interact with the kernel itself

yapping session over

[terse lantern]

That’s just what a kernel is supposed to do

I liked the discussion it was fun 😁