Really comfy, nice bar!
#With Clang!
gaunt shoal
Really comfy, nice bar!
ty ty!
steel sail
Noice
gaunt shoal
:)
olive orbit
Same..
steel sail
Sure if the power doesn't go out again...
gaunt shoal
:P
olive orbit
I'll be almost done with the btrfs, luks Gentoo installation 😰
gaunt shoal
I'll be almost done with the btrfs, luks Gentoo installation 😰
exciting! i'm actually redoing my isntall atm
moving from zfs to btrfs
olive orbit
never heard of zfs
gaunt shoal
never heard of zfs
ohh its an out of tree fs
similar to btrfs in some regards
my zfs list
gaunt shoal
yea it is
but its out of tree so its a bit annoying
here is the one i'm moving to atm
olive orbit
Why did you use BTRFS in the first place?
gaunt shoal
Why did you use BTRFS in the first place?
no i used zfs, just i'm moving to btrfs :)
i made my own stage 3 today
oh i forgot to put my make.conf in here
gaunt shoal
with clang!
olive orbit
I meant why did you use ZFS in the first place
gaunt shoal
I'm so sleepy
:P
gaunt shoal
I meant why did you use ZFS in the first place
ohhhh because of raid
i didnt know about mdadm and i wanted to raid
so i used zfs!
as btrfs raid can be a bit dodge
olive orbit
Oh ok
gaunt shoal
yea
olive orbit
I'm taking a look at it
gaunt shoal
:)
olive orbit
I'm wondering if my BTRFS filesystems compress themselves automatically
Oh now I understand the difference between them
gaunt shoal
yea
gaunt shoal
heh
olive orbit
Well anyways, good luck with it, I didn't know we were able to create our own stage 3
Really interesting
gaunt shoal
Well anyways, good luck with it, I didn't know we were able to create our own st...
:P quite simpel
gaunt shoal
:P
steel sail
-j64 my dream ;-;
dream for -j352 smh
gleaming topaz
and it's one Ryzen here :D
gaunt shoal
@gleaming topaz i'm movin to -j80 next week
steel sail
<@253235833245532161> i'm movin to -j80 next week
x86?
gleaming topaz
when llvm will see -j80 it will compile in a sec
gaunt shoal
when llvm will see -j80 it will compile in a sec
with lto it takes llvm
steel sail
ryzens are nice
they pack a punch for how energy efficient they are
gaunt shoal
[rahulsandhu@zworkstation ~]$ qlop -v sys-devel/llvm
2023-06-11T03:02:17 >>> sys-devel/llvm-16.0.5: 10′42″
gaunt shoal
they pack a punch for how energy efficient they are
:D
gleaming topaz
with lto it takes llvm
I'm too scared to use lto,pgo,-O3 whatever
gaunt shoal
I'm too scared to use lto,pgo,-O3 whatever
:P it takes i think 10 mintues llvm,
steel sail
only use -O3 with clang ;)
gaunt shoal
lemme check here
gaunt shoal
44 minutes here with clang
[rahulsandhu@zworkstation /]$ qlop -v sys-devel/clang
2023-06-11T04:47:54 >>> sys-devel/clang-16.0.5: 9′30″
for me the reason it takes that long is probably because of swap
I shouldn't use -j12
steel sail
get more ram
ddr4 is cheap rn
do it until they stop making ddr4 then it will go up again
gleaming topaz
Yeah I'm planning on getting 32GB of ram
gaunt shoal
:)
gleaming topaz
since it's the max of this laptop
gaunt shoal
[rahulsandhu@zworkstation ~]$ free -mh
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 220Gi 15Gi 200Gi 487Mi 4.3Gi 202Gi
Swap: 0B 0B 0B```well I would definitely compile qtwebengine with lto,pgo,-O3 on that machine
on my no no
gaunt shoal
:P
gleaming topaz
5 hours is enough for me
gaunt shoal
:D
gleaming topaz
:D
I should really reconsider using gentoo for more than a week
it's just too fun not to use
gaunt shoal
:P
steel sail
been using gentoo since this february and have no reason not to use anything else
gleaming topaz
I mean I could probably use Gentoo and enable ccache
it did make nodejs drop from 35 minutes to 5
steel sail
ping me when ya do
posted it
drowsy frigate
do you share the dotfile?
little merlin
do you share the dotfile?
i second this, grabbing sway right now and that bar looks really good
little merlin
if you don't mind can you ping me when you do
gleaming topaz
if you don't mind me asking what's -mtune=native
gaunt shoal
if you don't mind me asking what's ``-mtune=native``
its me being paranoid :D
basically
its set by -march
gleaming topaz
oh, also I see you're "enforcing" lto?
gleaming topaz
Me playing it safe with USE="lto pgo" (yes I finally decided to give them a try lmfao)
gleaming topaz
Mon Jul 17 10:05:57 2023 >>> sys-devel/gcc-12.3.1_p20230526
merge time: 48 minutes and 24 seconds.
Wed Jul 19 07:50:41 2023 >>> sys-devel/gcc-12.3.1_p20230526
merge time: 2 hours, 11 minutes and 15 seconds.``` still worth it LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
gleaming topaz
I'm kinda thinking about making llvm compile with clang
since it takes less to compile with clang
than with gcc
gleaming topaz
I could do the gcc-compile env, but in reverse
rather than gcc it would be clang
and I could select what packages I want to compile with clang
gaunt shoal
yea
gleaming topaz
Well I forgot the content of that file since the thread in r/unixporn takes a while to load
gleaming topaz
CXX="clang++"
AR="llvm-ar"
NM="llvm-nm"
RANLIB="llvm-ranlib"
OBJCOPY="llvm-objcopy"
OBJDUMP="llvm-objdump"
``` I know I would need thesewho knows maybe if all my packages will compile fine I will do it in reverse again
gaunt shoal
:D
gaunt shoal
ohhhh fun
gleaming topaz
Gentoo is already fun, but why not make it even more fun!
gaunt shoal
:D
gleaming topaz
:D
For fun I enabled ~amd64 globally and then I saw how many packages it wanted to update :D
more than 100
gleaming topaz
Ay I did it I moved my gentoo make.conf to clang!
little merlin
flto=thin is basically thin lto
do you flto=thin during install or after?
gaunt shoal
do you flto=thin during install or after?
So I make my own stage4's, but following the "traditional" stage 3 route, I would:
- Extract stage3 and chroot
- Set locale and timezone
- env-update && source /etc/profile && export PS1="(chroot) ${PS1}"
- emerge --sync && emerge -av1 sys-apps/merge-usr && merge-usr && emerge -c sys-apps/merge-usr # for systemd only
- switch profile, to systemd + desktop + merged-usr # note no llvm/clang profile there
- emerge -va sys-devel/clang sys-devel/llvm sys-libs/llvm-libunwind sys-devel/lld
- emerge -va1 sys-devel/clang-common sys-devel/llvm-common
- env-update && source /etc/profile && export PS1="(chroot) ${PS1}"
- set my custom make.conf then, followed by an emerge -e @world
- finish rest of install and reboot
little merlin
do you make your stage4 with catalyst?
gaunt shoal
Note that the -va is redundant for my case as I have EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ask --ask-enter-invalid --keep-going --verbose" set in my make.conf
little merlin
ahh i see
gaunt shoal
then use mkstage4
little merlin
how's your experiene been with clang
gaunt shoal
Fairly good, it works well, I like it
Plan to stick with it
I use it on all my boxes
little merlin
currently in the middle of doing h/selinux but might switch to clang
gaunt shoal
(Router, Firewall, Server, Desktop, Laptop, TV Box, Raspberry Pi)
gaunt shoal
currently in the middle of doing h/selinux but might switch to clang
ahhhhh fun
i made a custom profile for hardneed
little merlin
i tried llvm/systemd earlier but gcc and glibc kept failing to compile for some reason
gaunt shoal
ahhh there was a bug iirc
fixed now
also that reminds me
let me upload my dots
I got my server setup again
little merlin
ahh right
i lost the logs because i decided to wipe the disk and give up earlier, but it was something along the lines of some files being different or something?
gaunt shoal
yep i had that issue
gaunt shoal
yea it was a gcc one iirc
it got fixed :)
it was just a bug
one day it just worked lmao
little merlin
it was literally just last night
gaunt shoal
oh
little merlin
that i tried doing it
gaunt shoal
in that case i would suggest filing a gentoo bug
as this happened like a month and a half ago for me
gleaming topaz
i tried llvm/systemd earlier but gcc and glibc kept failing to compile for some ...
clang/systemd or I'm confusing something here?
little merlin
clang/systemd or I'm confusing something here?
yeaa
i have a habit of using clang and llvm interchangeably haha
gleaming topaz
I don't think systemd was fixing with clang, but gcc and glibc failing is a sign that you set something wrong
because I just compiled gcc 13.1 with Clang
little merlin
yeah, i tried it twice, first time it was with -flto=thin
little merlin
https://git.sandhuservices.dev/configs/dotfiles.git/
thankss
gaunt shoal
np
clone command would be ssh://[email protected]/git/configs/dotfiles.git
oh wait no you guys don't have access
it would be git clone https://anongit.sandhuservices.dev/configs/dotfiles.git
gleaming topaz
I'm only using USE='lto pgo" soo I think cow will be able to help you much more
when it comes to lto or pgo, I'm kinda green 
little merlin
i'll try using only those flags
gaunt shoal
i'll try using only those flags
my current make.conf is
little merlin
are you supposed to use -flto from the start or is that something you add once the system boots?
gaunt shoal
are you supposed to use -flto from the start or is that something you add once t...
neither
i just setup the timezone and keyboard layout
and hostname and systemd-firstboot shit
then i just get clang lld and llvm and stuff installed
update the enviroment
THEN switch to lto
also don't use it with the kernel
with the kernel i use
[rahulsandhu@zworkstation ~/Development/dotfiles]$ cat /etc/portage/package.env/package.env | grep -i "kernel"
sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel clang-plain
wouldn't that break?
gleaming topaz
wrong message
gaunt shoal
oh lmao
gleaming topaz
kernel with lto
little merlin
i'm going to destroy my zpool real quick brb
gaunt shoal
yea it would break
[rahulsandhu@zworkstation ~/Development/dotfiles]$ cat /etc/portage/env/clang-plain
COMMON_FLAGS="-march=native -mtune=native -O2 -pipe"
CFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
CXXFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
it is supposed to ignore all lto, but it doesnt even compile
due to a bug
little merlin
does genkernel work with clang?
i tried genkernel with clang and musl and it broke, and i wasn't sure if it's clang's fault or musl's fault
little merlin
ahh i see
gleaming topaz
isn't genkernel used for gentoo-sources?
gaunt shoal
nononon gekernel is a seperate thing
little merlin
it does both kernel and initramfs
gaunt shoal
(but not with installkernel)
little merlin
you can --menuconfig all
gaunt shoal
@little merlin no thats genkernel
sys-kernel/genkernel pulls it in
but sys-kernel/gentoo-sources does not EXPLICTLY use tit
gleaming topaz
you can --menuconfig all
you can do that without genkernel make menuconfig
gaunt shoal
^
little merlin
hmm so would doing make menuconfig and dracut be better than genkernel
if i need to tweak the kernel
gaunt shoal
if i need to tweak the kernel
use the dist kernel
gleaming topaz
working fine
gaunt shoal
and use a custom kernel with it
i use a custom kernel with my dist kernel
to do it:
gleaming topaz
I'm using gentoo-kernel + custom name(thanks to Cow!)
gaunt shoal
first up apply the use flag 'savedconfig' to sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel
gaunt shoal
I'm using gentoo-kernel + custom name(thanks to Cow!)
:P
little merlin
use the dist kernel
i like compiling kernel because it lets me use selinux without kernel parameters
gaunt shoal
then you simple do mkdir -pv /etc/portage/savedconfig/sys-kernel/
little merlin
i mean i'm doing clang rn but
gaunt shoal
i like compiling kernel because it lets me use selinux without kernel parameters
no but dist is compiled from source
little merlin
thinking of combining clang with hardened/selinux in the future
gaunt shoal
there are 2 dist kernels
sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel is the one compiled from source
that also supports a custom config
sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel-bin is the binary one
little merlin
oh so you can do menuconfig on the dist kernel?
gaunt shoal
oh so you can do menuconfig on the dist kernel?
sort of
you do menuconfig in a different place
then set the use flag 'savedconfig' on sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel
then you mkdir -pv /etc/portage/savedconfig/sys-kernel
then you cp your kernel config with say cp .config /etc/portage/savedconfig/sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel
gaunt shoal
to get the gentoo sources you would do
ebuild /var/db/repos/gentoo/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/gentoo-sources-6.4.4.ebuild clean install
little merlin
but use the dist kernel
gaunt shoal
nononono
so you do
ebuild /var/db/repos/gentoo/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/gentoo-sources-6.4.4.ebuild clean install
little merlin
ahh i see
gaunt shoal
then it will be in /var/tmp/portage/sys-kernel/gentoo-source-6.4.4/work/
then you just copy that to ~/
chown $USER: ~/kernel_dir_name
then you just cd into it, make menuconfig -j64
then you just cp .config /etc/portage/savedconfig/sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel
little merlin
what cpu has that many cores goddamn
threadripper?
also out of curiosity do you use the systemd version or openrc version of llvm
*stage tarball
gleaming topaz
2 xeon's!
gaunt shoal
what cpu has that many cores goddamn
dual cpu :P
gaunt shoal
*stage tarball
systemd normal tarball
little merlin
why?
little merlin
so do i do systemd normal and switch to llvm profile?
or
wait is the llvm profile not something i'm supposed to use
gaunt shoal
so do i do systemd normal and switch to llvm profile?
no llvm profile
gleaming topaz
no you should stay on the normal profile
gaunt shoal
instead you add
COMMON_FLAGS="-march=native -mtune=native -O3 -pipe"
CFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS} -flto=thin"
CXXFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS} -flto=thin"
FCFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
CC="clang"
CXX="clang++"
AR="llvm-ar"
NM="llvm-nm"
RANLIB="llvm-ranlib"
OBJCOPY="llvm-objcopy"
OBJDUMP="llvm-objdump"
LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -fuse-ld=lld -rtlib=compiler-rt -unwindlib=libunwind -Wl,--as-needed"
to your make.conf
little merlin
but most things work great under the llvm profile though
i've tried once before to clang-ify my normal install
i had to manually add a lot of stuff to package.env
to use gcc
little merlin
to your make.conf
before or after emerging world?
if i don't need to use llvm profile maybe i can pair this up with hardened/selinux?
little merlin
but most things work great under the llvm profile though
except for gcc and glibc
gaunt shoal
if i don't need to use llvm profile maybe i can pair this up with hardened/selin...
yep
also note you can use a custom profile
i create a custom one
for hardened
little merlin
oh so you basically just made your own version of the hardened profile?
gaunt shoal
yea
little merlin
that has nothing to do with clang/llvm?
gaunt shoal
yea basically
little merlin
is this good?
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
# built this stage.
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
COMMON_FLAGS="-march=native -mtune=native -O2 -pipe"
CFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS} -flto=thin"
CXXFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS} -flto=thin"
FCFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j17"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--keep-going --ask-enter-invalid --jobs=17 --load-average=17 --with-bdeps y --complete-graph y"
FEATURES="binpkg-logs buildpkg cgroup downgrade-backup ipc-sandbox network-sandbox parallel-fetch parallel-install sign"
CC="clang"
CXX="clang++"
AR="llvm-ar"
NM="llvm-nm"
RANLIB="llvm-ranlib"
OBJCOPY="llvm-objcopy"
OBJDUMP="llvm-objdump"
LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -fuse-ld=lld -rtlib=compiler-rt -unwindlib=libunwind -Wl,--as-needed"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="*"
USE="lvm luks lto pgo elogind dbus gui hardened X xwayland wayland"
USE="${USE} -telemetry -systemd -gnome -kde -branding"
# NOTE: This stage was built with the bindist Use flag enabled
# This sets the language of build output to English.
# Please keep this setting intact when reporting bugs.
LC_MESSAGES=C.utf8
GRUB_PLATFORMS="efi-64"
# SELinux stuff
POLICY_TYPES="strict targeted"
VIDEO_CARDS="amdgpu radeonsi"
INPUT_DEVICES="libinput"
CPU_FLAGS_X86="aes avx avx2 f16c fma3 mmx mmxext pclmul popcnt rdrand sha sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3"
wait
gaunt shoal
let me look through
one minute
@little merlin
USE="lvm luks lto pgo elogind dbus gui hardened X xwayland wayland"
USE="${USE} -telemetry -systemd -gnome -kde -branding"
don't do that
if you want to make the line shorter
do
USE="lvm luks lto pgo elogind dbus gui hardened X xwayland wayland
-telemetry -systemd -gnome -kde -branding"
gaunt shoal
yes
little merlin
thankss