Maria Klinger

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I am looking for / I need help with: finding her parents.
Name: Maria Klinger
Sex: Female

Date of Birth: 10 June 1898
Location of Birth: Jurzschwarza, Germany

Spouse Name: Maximilian Arnold Keff
Date of Marriage: November 9, 1929
Location of Marriage: Vienna, Austria (Germany in paperwork(

Date of Death: 1996
Location of Death: New Jersey

Other Information: I know that she had siblings. Her sister was the grandparent of a Herbert Tauber (who we have referred to as our cousin always). Herbert lives in Hoheneich, Austria. She had a sister/sister in law, Walpurga Schaden, as shown in the attachment. She was from the Gmünd area in Austria.

Sources: see attached

Oh, she also may have had a brother, Franz Klinger

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Figured this one out by using the Walburga avenue, but first the actual solution:

Maria Klinger was born on June 10 1898 in Kurzschwarza in Gmünd district in Austria.
She was the daughter of Michael Klinger, a Catholic small house owner in Kurzschwarza, himself a legitimate son of Georg Klinger (a farmer in Eulenbach, Vitis parish) and Anna Ableidinger,
and Maria Pöschl, daughter of Franz Pöschl, retired farmer in Kurzschwarza, and his wife Eva Filler from Klein Ruprechts.

An annotation, based on a report by Rossau parish in Vienna, notes she left the Catholic church on August 24 1929.

Scan for her baptism (Entry 13, first on top, covering both pages: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/langschwarza/01%2F03/?pg=111)

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I figured this out by simply looking on Ancestry for a Walburga Klinger marrying someone named Schaden and finding this marriage (let me know if you a translation), wherein Kurzschwarza and the same parents are noted: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61963/records/98844198?tid=&pid=&queryId=007e0c8c-eca6-461f-aaf9-bd2b7f060d2e&_phsrc=oSZ22245&_phstart=successSource

Same scan but for free: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/langschwarza/02%252F03/?pg=39

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Thank you! That was fast

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Happy to help!

Here is her parents' marriage: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/langschwarza/02%252F02/?pg=165

Or on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61963/records/8844031?tid=&pid=&queryId=d5ccc37f-aa67-47cd-b1a8-708b3b0b962a&_phsrc=oSZ22247&_phstart=successSource

Let me know if a translation or the basics would be needed.

Genealogy in Lower Austria is really accessible and the records are great, but let me know if you need a translation or to find a few more records. What is really good is that the baptisms mention parents and grandparents, as well as places of origin, so getting to the early 19th/late 18th century at least is possible easily most of the time.

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Yeah I think translation is my downfall, I only know so much German and my Opa is over there right now so no help translating

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The marriage took place on July 2 1895 in Langschwarza parish.

Michael Klinger, 26 and a half, Catholic, living in Eulenbach house 11, legitimate son of Georg Klinger, farmer in Eulenbach house 11, and his wife Anna Abledinger [I made a mistake in my first message calling her Maria].

Maria Pöschl, 25, Catholic, living in Kurzschwarza house 28, legitimate daughter of Franz Pöschl, farmer in Kurzschwarza 28, and his wife Eva Filler from Klein Ruprechts.

https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/langschwarza/02%2F02/?pg=165

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Michael Klinger was born on September 28 1868 in Eulenbach, Vitis parish.
His father Georg Klinger is a Catholic farmer in Eulenbach 11.
His mother is Anna, Catholic, herself a daughter of Josef Ableitinger [yes, it has changed somewhat], small house owner in Eulenbach, and of Theresia Filler.

Entry 82, third from top here: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/vitis/01%252F09/?pg=233

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Maria Pöschl was born on January 17 1870 in Langschwarza, Langschwarza parish.
Her father Franz Pöschl is a Catholic farmer in Langschwarza 10.
Her mother is Eva, Catholic, herself a daughter of Martin Filler, farmer in Klein Ruprechts, Waldenstein parish, and of Agnes Täubler.

Entry 1 in 1870, second from bottom here: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/langschwarza/01%252F02/?pg=219

(btw, not sure if he is the same as you Max, but in March 1921, a 20 year old mechanic named Max Keff from Vienna in the Große Mohrengasse 38, was arrested for counterfeit cigarettes: https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=odr&datum=19210312&query="Max+Keff"&ref=anno-search&seite=4)

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Omg. Well, I do not know of any other Max Keff’s at the time so I would think possibly the same? I don’t know exactly what year he came to Austria from Poland though

The Keff line is another brick wall and anomaly itself

Many brick walls on that side of my family actually

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Georg Klinger and Anna Ableitinger married on May 15 1866 in Vitis parish.

Georg Klinger, Catholic, 32 year old bachelor, farmer in Eulenbach 11,
son of the deceased Catholic farmer Mathias Klinger from Eulenbach and his still living wife Theresia née Weber.

Anna Ableitinger, Catholic, 23 year old maiden living in Eulenbach 7 with her parents,
Josef Ableitinger, Catholic innkeeper in Eulenbach, and his deceased wife Theresia née Fidler [yes, there is a discrepancy with Michael's baptism].

On Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61963/records/12779020?tid=&pid=&queryId=11ca650f-3c5b-4ec1-99a8-1f14d893a7c2&_phsrc=oSZ22257&_phstart=successSource
Or Matricula: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/vitis/02%252F06/?pg=236

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Franz Pöschl and Eva Filler married on October 20 1868 in Waldenstein parish.

Franz Pöschl, Catholic, 32 year old bachelor, house owner in Langschwarza 10,
son of the Catholic farmer Josef Pöschl and his wife Johanna née Schade from Langenschwarza.

Eva Filler, Catholic, 38 year old maiden living in her paternal home Ruprechts 13,
daughter of Martin Filler, Catholic farmer in Ruprechts, and his wife Agnes née Taubl [Taubl and Täubler are similar enough and can be counted as variants of the same name] who is from Groß Wolfgers.

On Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61963/records/13013172?tid=&pid=&queryId=c31ada3a-57b8-4f50-a580-4ecb4aab4607&_phsrc=oSZ22259&_phstart=successSource
Or Matricula: https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/st-poelten/waldenstein/02%252F04/?pg=86

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Age would certainly fit!
Can't translate the whole article, but it says that the police uncovered a scam, "as usual perpetrated by the Jews" (casual antisemitism ofc), wherein cigarettes that look deceptively like the real ones are filled with inferior tobacco and sold at a large profit.
They managed to dismantle this ring by arresting a few people, among them this Max Keff, but whereas they describe who did what in this scheme, they don't say so for him.

In the end, they only write he along with the others was delivered before the court.

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That makes sense. He was in fact a Jew prior to converting in order to marry Maria

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I see from the documents he came from Lemberg, i.e Lviv now in Ukraine. I think they have some Jewish records on FS from there, from what I recall.
Ashkenazi genealogy can be difficult at times, although in Galicia (where Lemberg was), it really depends. Wonder when he came over to Vienna. Until WW1, Lemberg and Vienna would both have been under Austrian rule.

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I have some of the lineage completed. Max Keff’s father Moses Keff, then Nachum Keff, then Fischel Keff. But can’t get past that

Fischel would’ve been born c. 1800

I’m not entirely certain why he came to Vienna in the first place honestly, let alone when exactly

I just know that he converted to marry Maria, and was in a concentration camp before coming to the States

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I'm not deeply experienced in Ashkenazi research, but from what I recall, often this is the time where it the researchable lines may already end (without wanting to say that is the case here necessarily), and usually the deeper lines are Rabbinic dynasties, early assimilated urban families and the like.

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Yeah, Dachau: https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/de/search/person/130429723?s=Maximilian Keff&t=532940&p=0

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Makes sense. I’ve wondered if the records are more accessible in person there rather than them being digitalized, and if that may be the cause of my not being able to get past that

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Yup!

He passed way before I was born so I was never able to talk to him about it. Even if I could I’m not sure he would’ve opened up. My Opa talks about it when he feels like it

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My gut instinct is to say, for metrical records at least, that usually what is online by now is what is still around, but don't take my word for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if you could maybe work out one more generation by infering death records or whatnot, but would presume that much deeper than that is unlikely.

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I'm not surprised. Good that he made it out.

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Yeah that’s what I’m afraid of. I want to know more so so badly but I know how unlikely it is

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Yeah, there’s some story that I’ve been told about Maria forging paperwork to get Max out. My Opa (Theodor) was in Hitler youth, on the other side of the spectrum. Weird times

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I hope more is findable. If you haven't already, I'd recommend posting in the #jewish channel or in the #1503574706299600957 .
But hey, at least this Austrian Catholic side should go a bit deeper!

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Yeah! It’s definitely a lot easier to find info on the Catholics. The Klinger side was just hard with lack of information for a while. My family gives me very vague information lol

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Was kind of surprised that they let him, if he was half-Jewish, but checking the Nuremberg laws again, apparently a so-called Mischling (aka half/half) could be a citizen, although at that point they were not seen as fully German. Interesting.

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I hope that this brickwall being broken will bring forth some new information then 🫡

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Oh they let him out but sent him to England (?) and then to the states. He was denaturalized as well as my Opa

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Thank you again! I appreciate it more than I can express