#🇳🇱 Jenneken Bosch (1750s - 1828)

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Looking for help to find her baptism and parents.

Name: Jenneken Bosch or Bos
Sex: Female

Date of Birth: after 1750
Location of Birth: Zutphen, Gelderland, Netherlands (per her marriage)

Spouse Name: [Evert / Evert Jan] [Aarts / Aards / Aarts / Aarents]
Date of Marriage: 1781-03-30
Location of Marriage: Brummen, Gelderland, Netherlands

Date of Death: 1828-11-15
Location of Death: Warnsveld, Gelderland, Netherlands

Other Information:

Jenneken married Evert in 1781. Together they had several children: Arend (1781), Catrina (1783), Aartjen (1785), Gerrit (1787), Jacob (1788), Knelia (1790), Aleijda (1792), Jan (1794), Harmen (1796), Jacomina (1797), Janna (1798), Gerritjen (1800) and Geertjen (1805). All children were baptised in the Dutch Reformed church of Brummen. The 1781 and 1785 baptism mention witnesses: Geertruijd Aards and Maria Tuissen.

Evert and Jenneken were fairly poor. When her daughter Janna married in 1823, she still worked on the land, and was unable to sign the record. The tax records filed after her death show she did not have any significant possessions.

As far as I have been able to reconstruct, Jenneken lived in Brummen between 1781 and 1823. Between 1823 and 1824 she moved to Warnsveld (thank god for marriage records of children), where she died in 1828. The period before 1781 is a bit more vague: she seems to have lived in Brummen, but I have not been able to find her in the membership records of the church (https://erfgoedcentrumzutphen.nl/onderzoeken/archieven/file/578320a5406635129247ef1160b2ec54), and indemnity records do not survive.

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Her death record states she was 78 years old at the time, putting her year of birth at around 1750. Personally, I think it is likely she was born a bit later: having a child at 55 is not that likely.
However, I have not been able to find a baptism record for Jenneken. A researcher at Wikitree (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bos-1872) believes she might have been baptised in Brummen in 1759 (https://permalink.geldersarchief.nl/EFA6BF1741624BADB8B43B777F4D4650). Unfortunately, there is no clear connection between this baptism and Jenneken's life between 1781 and 1828.

I am looking for / I need help with:
Finding the baptism & parents of Jenneken!

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warm apex
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🇳🇱 Jenneken Bosch (1750s - 1828)

sinful sequoia
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In Gelderland, early marriage records often have the grandparents' death records in the marriage supplements if the parents are deceased when their children get married. Did any of her children marry after she and Evert Aarts were deceased? Might be worth checking those marriage supplements.

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warm apex
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Could be! But the source doesnt reveal anything I don't know yet

sinful sequoia
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does not give you much info though, just a name

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echo 🙂

warm apex
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Read all the way back to 1764, given that she was born +- 1750 that would be far enough to conclude this entry is her.

sinful sequoia
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Yes, that sounds like it could be her. What was Hall? Hamlet? Or Halle near Zelhem?

warm apex
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This hamlet

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sinful sequoia
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oooh, their own records!

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BTW, I often see families in the Achterhoek that have both a Janna and a Jenneken. Though they're technically the same name, they are often treated as two different names. So I am not 100% convinced that Janna Bos = Jenneken Bos. But definitely worth following up.

warm apex
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her marriage states she's from Zutphen

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@sinful sequoia lidmatenregister van Hall Janna Bos "van Deventer, vertrokken naar Brummen"

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sinful sequoia
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Nice, so that is definitely for the 1776 church member, and another place to look.

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Jenneken lived in Warnsveld house 180 when she died in 1828. I checked the 1829 census to see who lived there. https://erfgoedcentrumzutphen.nl/onderzoeken/archieven/scans/NL-ZuRAZ-3026/1.1/start/40/limit/10/highlight/1
It shows that her son (I think) lived in house 179 and Egbert Dolleman, one of the informants of the death record, lived at no. 180. Perhaps the houses were renumbered during the census or something. But either way it shows that the informant was a neighbor, and probably did not know her exact age. Though 78 is specific, if people don't know the age they usually round off to -5 or -0.

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sinful sequoia
warm apex
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Thanks, good to know at least

sinful sequoia
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makes me wonder about the other informant, Hendrik Brandenburg.

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so two local day laborers. Not the most reliable informants.

warm apex
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Both relatively young as well, I doubt that people more than 30 years younger are likely to know the exact age

sinful sequoia
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yeah, good point

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sinful sequoia
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ah, too bad.

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Personally, I am really liking the 1759 Jenneken Bosch for this.

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you have a conflict with the place of birth but that Jenneken has a link to Brummen, is of the right name, age, and social class.

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Too bad that Brummen does not seem to have consistory minutes for 1759

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sinful sequoia
sinful sequoia
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Another really long shot is to check all the witnesses for marriages of the children. I have solved cases using that, because it mentioned that one of the witnesses a "neef" [cousin/nephew] or an uncle.

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Btw, married 20 April 1781 and first child baptized 6 May 1781 is also a pretty close call 🙂

sinful sequoia
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BTW, that 1811 voter record has Evert's birth date as 25 December 1748. He was the likely informant. The Wikitree had 30 November 1755. That's a pretty significant conflict.

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sinful sequoia
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So if those are his parents, then looking at the naming patterns of the chldren, we would expect Jenneken's parents to be Gerrit and Catharina perhaps. Though it is possible they only named children after deceased relatives, which would explain naming a Knelia before Jacomina.

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I'll check the marriage supplements of 1821 to make sure

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@sinful sequoia their son Jacob was in 1815 in France, and became a "ridder der 4e klasse in de militaire willemsorde"

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warm apex
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that means that he was one of the Dutch soldiers to directly defeat Napoleon in battle o-0

sinful sequoia
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yes, exactly. There should be a royal decree about his knighthood

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sinful sequoia
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Do you descend from that son?

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Both the 1818 marriage and 1821 marriage of their children don't list the deaths of the parents of Evert

sinful sequoia
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yeah they would not since the mother was still alive

warm apex
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well at least this gives me a fun fact 😄

sinful sequoia
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yeah, always a good idea

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yes!

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sinful sequoia
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I think it's right on the edge. Typically Veluwe had patronymics and Achterhoek had farm names but it's not a clear line. So could be either.

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though as a day laborer, they probably would not have been entitled in the commons

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might be worth HTR-ing though.

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slate spire
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(full disclosure: noob here). have you already eliminated the Jenneke Martens Bosch, born/baptised 1749 in the town next door, Voorst?

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I have not been able to find anything directly, other than that some unnamed children of marten did die in Voorst afterwards in 1754 and 1757