Is there a way to get access to these records without having to go to Utah?

[crystal oriole]

Excuse me, but for some reason I can not post on the familysearch-request request part
I basically am trying to get hold of those records in here https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/100325?availability=Family History Library to confirm wether one of my ancestors really comes from here or not (brickwall, fairly recent). In a newspaper article where a person was in that had the same name and surname as a great great grandparent) they mentioned he came from a village close to this place. The place was under administration of this one (if I did my research right). I would need to check the 1866-1919 and 1919-1936 records for this person as they are important to maybe find this person in them and confirm that they really are from there. When I click on the specific records I get an error message saying: "Please try to access those scans through a Familysearch-center location or a library that has familysearch access". Do I have to go to Utah to get access to them (not feasable for me since I am from EU and it would be a quite big monetary commitment to make) or is there another way/maybe someone who can help me with getting access to those records?
I thank everyone in advance

The records I am in search of are Paul Lyra (around 1910-1920s) and anyone connected with them

[atomic carbon]

1866-1919 is available at affiliate, FamilySearch Centers or for Church Member Access. 1919-1936 is no access.

[crystal oriole]

well then it means I will not get to look through them since I do not have any way to do that

[small gate]

You can find an FHC or affiliate here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/centers/about

You can still post a request for a search in the 1866-1919 record set.

[idle shard]

i can access these 3 if there's anything for paul that might be in them

can you share more info on paul lyra and what kind of records mentioning him you think could be in here?

[crystal oriole]

I only have a newspaper article of a person I presume to be him (he turned 100 in 2018), the family had nothing to do with him and supposedly after ww2 he went missing so the great great grandmother found another husband who she married after the war. He is the father of my great grandmother and her sister but not much is known about that side since documents we have do not have his birthday/date on it. On the newspaper website it says he was from that place originally but then since world war 2 he now lives/lived in saxony. The place where my great grandmother and sister are born is also somewhere in saxony-anhalt (modern day) while he turned 100 in saxony. To the whole thing I can add that the persons residence at turning 100 years old (as listed in the newspaper, not birthplace) is only an hour drive away from the last place of residence on an old document certifying the parents of my great grandmother.

as for the birthdate, listed on the newspaper is 2016 and then on another local paper for "special moments" is 18th november as (Congratulations for the 100th birthday of Mr Paul Lyra)

[crystal oriole]

as you can see here

[idle shard]

@crystal oriole good news, i found him !

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXN-J74L-B?i=810
* '''Kirchenbuchduplikat''': "Kirchenbuchduplikat"<br/>Catalog: [https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/100325 Kirchenbuchduplikat] Taufen 1866-1919<br/>Film number: 008022201 > image 811 of 845<br/>{{FamilySearch Image|3Q9M-CSXN-J74L-B}} (accessed 23 November 2023)

2nd entry, paul lyra born 18 nov 1916 baptized 22 nov 1916

access to those records are annoying. did a check on Ancestry and found these which could possibly be the father. might want to ask in #eastern-europe about checking all the sites that might have the records? The place is in modern-day poland and I don't have any experience there
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2972991:60749
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6290418:60749
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2837397:60749
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3048990:60749

i think that robert is probably right. i found the registration of anton/franciska's marriage in 1884, and anton's father's name is paul

[crystal oriole]

Thank you very much

[crystal oriole]

would it be possible for you to get me the specific original record pictures?

[idle shard]

of course!

Name Robert Lyra
Gender männlich (Male)
Event Type Geburt (Birth)
Birth Date 12 Juli 1895
Birth Place Krascheow, Preußen
[Schönhorst, Polen (Poland)]
Birth Civil Registration Office Krascheow (ab 1937 Schönhorst), Krs Oppeln
Father
Anton Lyra
Mother
Franciska Lyra
Certificate Number 38

Name Robert Lyra
Gender männlich (Male)
Marriage Age 35
Event Type Heirat (Marriage)
Birth Date 12 Juli 1895
Marriage Date 09 Nov 1930 (9 Nov 1930)
Marriage Place Krascheow, Polen (Poland)
Marriage Civil Registration Office Krascheow (ab 1937 Schönhorst), Krs Oppeln
Spouse
Anna Felix
Certificate Number 25

Name Anna Felix
Gender weiblich (Female)
Marriage Age 30
Event Type Heirat (Marriage)
Birth Date 24 Dez 1899 (24 Dec 1899)
Marriage Date 09 Nov 1930 (9 Nov 1930)
Marriage Place Krascheow, Polen (Poland)
Marriage Civil Registration Office Krascheow (ab 1937 Schönhorst), Krs Oppeln
Spouse
Robert Lyra
Certificate Number 25

Name Anton Lyra
Gender männlich (Male)
Marriage Age 21
Event Type Heirat (Marriage)
Birth Date 03 Jun 1863 (3 Jun 1863)
Marriage Date 09 Aug 1884 (9 Aug 1884)
Marriage Place Krascheow, Preußen
[Schönhorst, Polen (Poland)]
Marriage Civil Registration Office Krascheow (ab 1937 Schönhorst), Krs Oppeln
Father
Paul Lyra
Mother
Catharina Lyra
Spouse
Franziska Wior
Certificate Number 9

Name Franziska Wior
Gender weiblich (Female)
Marriage Age 26
Event Type Heirat (Marriage)
Birth Date 07 Okt 1857 (7 Oct 1857)
Marriage Date 09 Aug 1884 (9 Aug 1884)
Marriage Place Krascheow, Preußen
[Schönhorst, Polen (Poland)]
Marriage Civil Registration Office Krascheow (ab 1937 Schönhorst), Krs Oppeln
Father
Jakob Wior
Mother
Catharina Wior
Spouse
Anton Lyra
Certificate Number 9

Name Franziska Lyra
Maiden Name Wiora
Gender weiblich (Female)
Death Age 68
Event Type Sterbefall (Death)
Birth Date 07 Okt 1857 (7 Oct 1857)
Death Date 03 Mai 1925 (3 May 1925)
Death Place Krascheow, Preußen
[Schönhorst, Polen (Poland)]
Death Civil Registration Office Krascheow (ab 1937 Schönhorst), Krs Oppeln
Certificate Number 8

hopefully this Paul Lyra is your guy!! 🤞

[crystal oriole]

yeah I am not 100% sure if its him but the information I have so far makes me think its them, I once when there was a free week for german records looked through all of the Paul Lyra records from the area (no matter the date) and I saved all of them, seems like I saved the one who is father of Anton (the record of them) but I did not think about saving the other ones for some reason 🤦🏼‍♂️

[crystal oriole]

Sorry for bothering you but I have a ancestor called Luzie Kranich (wife of Paul Lyra) born around 25th June 1920 in Krezel, a village next to Bogacica that I am also stuck on the information. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/300311?availability=Family History Library this would be the link to the specific website with the documents that I can not access. From what I have been told the family from that side originates from this area and had buildings there before they moved away (some supposedly still live there)

I have no clues on the names of the parents of this person at all so far and besides the death certificate with the place of birth and date I have nothing else about this person.

[idle shard]

should be in film 2091955, though unfortunately that film looks like its FHL locked, so it can only be accessed at the family history library in salt lake city, utah